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Pakled
Aug 6, 2011

WE ARE SMART

eddiewalker posted:

They’re doing 3 broadcast tiers.

The A game on CBS is all-out, everything. Bigger crew, more toys, extra day of setup.

The B game on NFL-Network has a much smaller footprint and budget.

C and D are offsite productions where individual cameras and mics are beamed to a studio to be assembled into a show.

This is all standard. I’m not saying which tier I might work on.

Do games on CBS Sports count as A games? Because I don't think they're airing any more regular season games on CBS.

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seiferguy
Jun 9, 2005

FLAWED
INTUITION



Toilet Rascal
Is there a good chance for expansion in this league? 8 teams just seems so small.

Athanatos
Jun 7, 2006

Est. 1967

seiferguy posted:

Is there a good chance for expansion in this league? 8 teams just seems so small.

If it goes well it will 100% expand more north.

If it survives this season on C-TV Stations with decent ratings and interest, I dont think putting them on Real CBS weekly would be out of the question.

Wayne Knight
May 11, 2006

I wonder if it needs all that to be considered successful. If the NFL helped fund it or just helped legitimize it, maybe ticket sales and merch would be enough. Think minor league baseball. You don't see those games on tv, but they're fine and worth supporting financially because the league sees a return via the expanded talent pool. Maybe that's enough, or maybe that plus the ability to treat the production as r&d for the NFL is enough.

iwentdoodie
Apr 29, 2005

🤗YOU'RE WELCOME🤗

RZA Encryption posted:

I wonder if it needs all that to be considered successful. If the NFL helped fund it or just helped legitimize it, maybe ticket sales and merch would be enough. Think minor league baseball. You don't see those games on tv, but they're fine and worth supporting financially because the league sees a return via the expanded talent pool. Maybe that's enough, or maybe that plus the ability to treat the production as r&d for the NFL is enough.

Honestly it would be nice to see a league like this replace D1 ball period.

a neat cape
Feb 22, 2007

Aw hunny, these came out GREAT!

iwentdoodie posted:

Honestly it would be nice to see a league like this replace D1 ball period.

Disagree

sweet thursday
Sep 16, 2012


Why not? Most athlete twitters would still be illegible and at least they'd get a few more years of paychecks

Crescent Wrench
Sep 30, 2005

The truth is usually just an excuse for a lack of imagination.
Grimey Drawer

iwentdoodie posted:

Honestly it would be nice to see a league like this replace D1 ball period.

What's the opposite of :yeah:?

iwentdoodie
Apr 29, 2005

🤗YOU'RE WELCOME🤗

Crescent Wrench posted:

What's the opposite of :yeah:?

So you enjoy watching young men probably ruin their lives for free instead of being able to get paid, get healthcare, and live their lives while accomplishing the same thing?

Somehow every sport except NFL has minor leagues. Its bullshit that public universities pay coaches millions, players none, and it basically doesn't benefit the school at all.

Hell, in the case of places like Baylor and others it actively harms regular students both physically and financially.

I say all this as a massive CFB fan, but I'd be more than happy to see a minor league system exist.

waah
Jun 20, 2011

Better stay in line when
You see a Pavel like me shinin

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z0346iw9vzo

Hate him or love him, Urinating Tree is doing This Week in Sportsball for the AAF.

Truther Vandross
Jun 17, 2008

Pakled posted:

Do games on CBS Sports count as A games? Because I don't think they're airing any more regular season games on CBS.

I'd imagine the NFL Network games are going to be their big ones.

The regular schedule starts with Week 3 and it's:

Saturday afternoon - B/R Live
Saturday night - NFL Network
Sunday afternoon - CBS Sports Network
Sunday night - NFL Network

The Saturday afternoon Week 2 game is on TNT to try to coax people into buying B/R Live, which is a piece of garbage.

Pershing
Feb 21, 2010

John "Black Jack" Pershing
Hard Fucking Core

So somebody in the NFL N/V mentioned LaRon Landry which made me think...is the AAF honoring NFL disciplinary moves? In other words, if somebody is on an indefinite ban or similar long-term discipline could they spend that time playing in the AAF?

General Dog
Apr 26, 2008

Everybody's working for the weekend

iwentdoodie posted:

So you enjoy watching young men probably ruin their lives for free instead of being able to get paid, get healthcare, and live their lives while accomplishing the same thing?

I love it with all my being

Rastor
Jun 2, 2001

General Dog posted:

Why does the NFL care so much about the XFL?

Anyway, can we just skip to the part where the XFL and AAF agree to have an end-of-season championship game?

https://twitter.com/bmagg86/status/1095777207379808256?s=19

EugeneJ
Feb 5, 2012

by FactsAreUseless

Jon Gruden gonna bring starpower to the AAF

weird Asian candy
Aug 23, 2005

Ask me about how my football team's success determines my self worth, and how I wish I lived in New Orleans.

Love it, make it so!

This is like relegation in pro soccer, I'm down!

Athanatos
Jun 7, 2006

Est. 1967
I have no idea how Soccer contracts work, but do guys put things in like "If this team is regulated, my contract is canceled and I can go sign with someone else" ?

ulmont
Sep 15, 2010

IF I EVER MISS VOTING IN AN ELECTION (EVEN AMERICAN IDOL) ,OR HAVE UNPAID PARKING TICKETS, PLEASE TAKE AWAY MY FRANCHISE

Athanatos posted:

I have no idea how Soccer contracts work, but do guys put things in like "If this team is regulated, my contract is canceled and I can go sign with someone else" ?

Yes.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/football/2018/04/09/salomon-rondon-can-leave-west-brom-just-165m-thanks-relegation/
https://www.skysports.com/football/news/11698/11218661/jonny-evans-has-3m-relegation-release-clause-in-west-brom-contract

a neat cape
Feb 22, 2007

Aw hunny, these came out GREAT!

sweet thursday posted:

Why not? Most athlete twitters would still be illegible and at least they'd get a few more years of paychecks

I like college football

Play
Apr 25, 2006

Strong stroll for a mangy stray

General Dog posted:

I love it with all my being

sounds about right, you being an irredeemable piece of poo poo

a neat cape posted:

I like college football

how bout its the same except they get paid

a neat cape
Feb 22, 2007

Aw hunny, these came out GREAT!

Play posted:


how bout its the same except they get paid

Yes x1000

nerve
Jan 2, 2011

SKA SUCKS

iwentdoodie posted:

Honestly it would be nice to see a league like this replace D1 ball period.

Hell yes.

Docjowles
Apr 9, 2009


Ha that's pretty crazy, not only do you get the shame of being relegated, you also lose all your good players in the process so it's harder to climb back out. Do teams that get relegated tend to stay down in the lower league for a long time? I'm guessing if you were that bad you probably weren't right on the cusp of being good again any time soon.

MakaVillian
Aug 16, 2003

Well, in Whoville they say - that his tiny hands grew three sizes that day.

Docjowles posted:

Ha that's pretty crazy, not only do you get the shame of being relegated, you also lose all your good players in the process so it's harder to climb back out. Do teams that get relegated tend to stay down in the lower league for a long time? I'm guessing if you were that bad you probably weren't right on the cusp of being good again any time soon.

Relegated teams aren't obligated to sell their big name players. Most of them do because it's hard to keep a player/players earning $70,000 a week and be profitable while in the second-tier league in your country, plus a lot of those guys don't want to be playing in a lower league. I know in England teams that are relegated from the Premier League to the Championship (2nd tier) still receive a smaller amount of the Premier league TV revenue for 2 or 3 years after they're relegated to avoid those teams being gutted because of high player wages.

Impossibly Perfect Sphere
Nov 6, 2002

They wasted Luanne on Lucky!

She could of have been so much more but the writers just didn't care!

iwentdoodie posted:

Honestly it would be nice to see a league like this replace D1 ball period.

Yes. The money in college football is a corrupting influence that will never stop doing bad things.

General Dog
Apr 26, 2008

Everybody's working for the weekend

Jiminy Christmas! Shoes! posted:

Yes. The money in college football is a corrupting influence that will never stop doing bad things.

Having an actual professional developmental league for the top talent is an unambiguous good, but even if you scrape the 5-stars off the top of the talent pool, there will still be money in college football as long as college football exists.

Nissin Cup Nudist
Sep 3, 2011

Sleep with one eye open

We're off to Gritty Gritty land




Docjowles posted:

Ha that's pretty crazy, not only do you get the shame of being relegated, you also lose all your good players in the process so it's harder to climb back out. Do teams that get relegated tend to stay down in the lower league for a long time? I'm guessing if you were that bad you probably weren't right on the cusp of being good again any time soon.

Depends. Newcastle got relegated, but won the championship and gets promoted right back. Conversely, Sunderland got relegated and the next season, earned a successive relegation


OTOH, Leicester won the Premier League in their second season after promotion

Nissin Cup Nudist fucked around with this message at 22:41 on Feb 14, 2019

Colostomy Bag
Jan 11, 2016

:lesnick: C-Bangin' it :lesnick:

Nissin Cup Nudist posted:

Depends. Newcastle got relegated, but won the championship and gets promoted right back. Conversely, Sunderland got relegated and the next season, earned a successive relegation


OTOH, Leicester won the Premier League in their second season after promotion

I'm trying to equate what you wrote with possible ramifications of would could happen with the Memphis Express.

latinotwink1997
Jan 2, 2008

Taste my Ball of Hope, foul dragon!


Colostomy Bag posted:

I'm trying to equate what you wrote with possible ramifications of would could happen with the Memphis Express.

Memphis Express is Leicester. They’re going to the Super Bowl in two years!

Colostomy Bag
Jan 11, 2016

:lesnick: C-Bangin' it :lesnick:

latinotwink1997 posted:

Memphis Express is Leicester. They’re going to the Super Bowl in two years!

Finally a modicum of sense around here.

GD_American
Jul 21, 2004

LISTEN TO WHAT I HAVE TO SAY AS IT'S INCREDIBLY IMPORTANT!
The NFL got away with paying nothing for its developmental league since the NFL has existed, and the one time they tried their own they hamstrung it then killed it. I can't help but wonder if one of the many reasons they're supporting it is as a trial balloon for in case the NCAA implodes.

I'd love to see university teams move to the sporting club model anyway. Quit pretending some of these dudes are students.

Ches Neckbeard
Dec 3, 2005

You're all garbage, back up the truck BACK IT UP!
My hope is the AAF is them trying to usurp the CFB and actually teach kids how to play professionally to increase the level of play along with testing out rule changes.

Of course this will fold after a year because the NFL will never put that kind of effort into preserving it's future and American businesses only succeed in spite of the spectacular stupidity of the people running them.

Pakled
Aug 6, 2011

WE ARE SMART

GD_American posted:

I'd love to see university teams move to the sporting club model anyway. Quit pretending some of these dudes are students.

Yeah I love my college team but it would be better for the players if the top prospects who were serious about going to the NFL played in a different league (and actually got paid for it) from the guys who are merely really good at football but primarily playing to get a degree.

Qwijib0
Apr 10, 2007

Who needs on-field skills when you can dance like this?

Fun Shoe

RZA Encryption posted:

I wonder if it needs all that to be considered successful. If the NFL helped fund it or just helped legitimize it, maybe ticket sales and merch would be enough. Think minor league baseball. You don't see those games on tv, but they're fine and worth supporting financially because the league sees a return via the expanded talent pool. Maybe that's enough, or maybe that plus the ability to treat the production as r&d for the NFL is enough.

AAF is 100% a sports gambling incubator and everything else is ancillary

https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/nfl/2019/02/14/aaf-pro-football-league-built-sports-gambling-data-technology/2870023002/

Ebersol said it plans to spend $500 million to $750 million in the next five years to get off the ground. The investors include Silicon Valley venture capitalists and MGM Resorts International, one of the biggest casino companies in the world.

This is why the AAF might be here to stay, at least for several years, even though alternative pro football leagues historically have collapsed under the weight of huge costs and the heavy shadow of the NFL..


Qwijib0 fucked around with this message at 15:31 on Feb 15, 2019

Crescent Wrench
Sep 30, 2005

The truth is usually just an excuse for a lack of imagination.
Grimey Drawer
News:

https://nypost.com/2019/02/13/christian-hackenberg-will-somehow-get-another-start-for-aafs-express/

Views:

I love this league.

Colostomy Bag
Jan 11, 2016

:lesnick: C-Bangin' it :lesnick:


I'm beginning to think I bet on the wrong horse with this league.

General Dog
Apr 26, 2008

Everybody's working for the weekend

Qwijib0 posted:

AAF is 100% a sports gambling incubator and everything else is ancillary

https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/nfl/2019/02/14/aaf-pro-football-league-built-sports-gambling-data-technology/2870023002/

Ebersol said it plans to spend $500 million to $750 million in the next five years to get off the ground. The investors include Silicon Valley venture capitalists and MGM Resorts International, one of the biggest casino companies in the world.

This is why the AAF might be here to stay, at least for several years, even though alternative pro football leagues historically have collapsed under the weight of huge costs and the heavy shadow of the NFL..


Isn't it going to have to attain some degree of popularity (in terms of people actually watching games/following the league) to get any kind of betting volume? Obviously there are degenerates who will bet on it now, but that applies to literally anything.

Wayne Knight
May 11, 2006

General Dog posted:

Isn't it going to have to attain some degree of popularity (in terms of people actually watching games/following the league) to get any kind of betting volume? Obviously there are degenerates who will bet on it now, but that applies to literally anything.

I mean I don't see people wearing jerseys for 23 Red at the roulette table.

Now I want to make roulette jerseys.
Patent pending!!

General Dog
Apr 26, 2008

Everybody's working for the weekend

RZA Encryption posted:

I mean I don't see people wearing jerseys for 23 Red at the roulette table.

Now I want to make roulette jerseys.
Patent pending!!

Yeah, I don't mean people have to be incredibly invested in it and have strong rooting interests and all that, but it has to at least maintain enough cultural bandwidth that people are seeing scores and not forgetting that it exists.

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Gonz
Dec 22, 2009

"Jesus, did I say that? Or just think it? Was I talking? Did they hear me?"

RZA Encryption posted:

I mean I don't see people wearing jerseys for 23 Red at the roulette table.

Now I want to make roulette jerseys.
Patent pending!!

Always bet on black.

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