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Pennywise the Frown
May 10, 2010

Upset Trowel

tmm3k posted:

...excuse me...




holy poo poo lol

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The Protagonist
Jun 29, 2009

The average is 5.5? I thought it was 4. This is very unsettling.

tmm3k posted:

...excuse me...




dang ol daggum five mmhmm

Moridin920
Nov 15, 2007

by FactsAreUseless

Relayer posted:

Yeah but no matter how unfairly you've been treated by the system killing random coworkers who are subject to the same poo poo deal as you is kind of a dick move, right? I mean god I hope so.

It is

Identifying causes isn't absolving guilt necessarily

Moridin920
Nov 15, 2007

by FactsAreUseless

maker posted:

I agree with the rest of your post but not this. There has been enormous strides of understanding from a scientific perspective in regards mental illness/wellness, social behavior, and the brain. These should not be discounted. Comparing contemporary psychology with the psychology of the 70s, it is quite different. We certainly don’t know everything but there’s a multitude of scientific theories, not hypothesis, that are related to these things.

The thing with psych research is that it explains tendencies, not absolutes, of human behavior. There’s so much variation of environment and biology that finding research that says “this occurs 100% of the time to all humans” is highly irregular. Research has figured out many of these tendencies however there is certainly a huge gap in how this research is disseminated and acted upon by public officials and citizens. You can solve all the social and biological problems in academia, I don’t think the field struggles with this. It struggles with having its research understood, implemented, and acted upon by the general public. For instance; regarding mental well being, it is quite clear in the literature that being outside in nature is associated with all sorts of positive outcomes for mental and social wellbeing. However, good luck getting a policy implemented that allows for these spaces to exist. Or getting a law passed that allows people to actually spend time in nature. I believe that most public figures don’t even consider psychological well being when it comes to modifying or constructing new towns. Let alone read about it

In other words

This is encouraging at least. I'm not trying to discount so much as just am ignorant of advances in the field.

Relayer
Sep 18, 2002

Moridin920 posted:

It is

Identifying causes isn't absolving guilt necessarily

Well yes assuming we've identified the actual cause. Lots of (most) poor people who get fired don't murder in response. Mental health yes, gun availability yes, but some nebulous "I've been cheated" manifesto is kinda insane.

GORILLA BASTARD
Jun 20, 2005

by LITERALLY AN ADMIN

OXBALLS DOT COM posted:

Is it really a mental illness to shoot your boss after he fires you?

I think something snaps at that moment. Corporations should very much fear us.

Relayer
Sep 18, 2002
imho I think it depends on the nature of your job and the circumstances of your life

PathAsc
Nov 15, 2011

Hail SS-18 Satan may he cleanse us with nuclear fire

PISS TAPE IS REAL

ProperCoochie posted:

gently caress YOU AURORA / YOU TOOK MY ONLY FRIEND

I appreciated this

Caesar Saladin
Aug 15, 2004


this has always been my favourite line in the movie

Moridin920
Nov 15, 2007

by FactsAreUseless

Relayer posted:

Lots of (most) poor people who get fired don't murder in response.

It's a range like anything else. This person is on the extreme end. Many people do nothing. A lot of people take their anger out on family members / pets / etc.

There's not any one factor sure.

Relayer
Sep 18, 2002

Moridin920 posted:

It's a range like anything else. This person is on the extreme end. Many people do nothing. A lot of people take their anger out on family members / pets / etc.

There's not any one factor sure.

Taking your anger out on family members or pets would basically be as lovely as murdering random coworkers. I mean, if you want maximum flourishing for maximum numbers of humans, killing people who have nothing to do with your circumstance has to be off the table right?

And I basically agree with the thread but theres this creepy vibe of "yeah buttttttttt the dead kinda deserve it" which can be flipped against you in five seconds.

Im Ready for DEATH
Oct 5, 2016

"the dead kinda deserve it" is just tongue in cheek goon silliness, right? no one actually believes a person deserves to die. haha, that would be silly if goons were genuine in that belief.

DickParasite
Dec 2, 2004


Slippery Tilde
A person comes home from work and finds their partner having an affair. In a fit of rage kills the partner. Does the killer have a mental illness?

Asshole Rose
Dec 28, 2017

Im Ready for DEATH posted:

"the dead kinda deserve it" is just tongue in cheek goon silliness, right? no one actually believes a person deserves to die. haha, that would be silly if goons were genuine in that belief.

Rad-daddio
Apr 25, 2017

Sponge Baathist's last day at the dick sucking factory.

OXBALLS DOT COM
Sep 11, 2005

by FactsAreUseless
Young Orc

Relayer posted:

killing people who have nothing to do with your circumstance has to be off the table right?

Employees of the company you are trying to kill aren't people who have nothing to do with your target, the company, any more than enemy soldiers who you've personally never interacted with have nothing to do with the organization they represent, the enemy nation and its military.

Companies are made up primarily of people. This guy was attacking the company by attacking its constituent parts.

I'm not saying what he did was good, but his reasoning isn't entirely off base.

Caesar Saladin
Aug 15, 2004

shooting someone with a gun because you're mad at them is only really reasonable to americans

Lil Swamp Booger Baby
Aug 1, 1981

Dude was a moron who couldn't cope with his own lot in life so he decided to exponentially inflict his pain on others, no idea why his shittiness is up for debate, he was a PoS through and through.

OXBALLS DOT COM
Sep 11, 2005

by FactsAreUseless
Young Orc

Caesar Saladin posted:

shooting someone with a gun because you're mad at them is only really reasonable to americans

Well, substitute knife or broken bottle for your country

Lil Swamp Booger Baby
Aug 1, 1981

For clarification I do NOT mean point of service as in Acme checkout!!

Burt Sexual
Jan 26, 2006

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS
Switchblade Switcharoo

OXBALLS DOT COM posted:

Well, substitute knife or broken bottle for your country

You’re really go down the 420 people dead in 69 seconds with a bottle, could happen? Stfu

Caesar Saladin
Aug 15, 2004

if some lil bitch came at me with a knife i'd focus my chi and take it from him in a second

OXBALLS DOT COM
Sep 11, 2005

by FactsAreUseless
Young Orc

Burt Sexual posted:

You’re really go down the 420 people dead in 69 seconds with a bottle, could happen? Stfu

He was talking about how the feeling of wanting to kill someone who deeply upset him is somehow an American thing, and not a human universal. And you can't exactly say that getting mad and stabbing someone is not a common occurrence in other nations such as Britain

Caesar Saladin
Aug 15, 2004

mass stabbings in australia and the uk happen way less often than mass shootings in america, which happen so often that you don't hear about most of them

being able to easily and efficiently kill everybody around you is uniquely american, a truly USA way of flipping out

Sjs00
Jun 29, 2013

Yeah Baby Yeah !
Lol are we seriously arguing that other Countries somehow have citizens as thoroughly armed and as equally sensitive trigger happy pissbabies as the good Ole?

Nope according to recent popular media such as 12 strong the Taliban are hyper violent savages and so it's good and fine to have automatic weapons and huge gently caress off bombs.

But that's the other side of the planet guys, and they at least have the excuse of religious indoctrination. We on the other hand shoot people because they offended our sensibilities and our 9mm is in the center console right there might as well

Sjs00
Jun 29, 2013

Yeah Baby Yeah !
Fucker cut me off in traffic on the way to shovel processed meat into my shitlings mouths while they watch porn on their devices I'm going to pop off a few rounds errantly wounding passerby in the process

OXBALLS DOT COM
Sep 11, 2005

by FactsAreUseless
Young Orc

Sjs00 posted:

Lol are we seriously arguing that other Countries somehow have citizens as thoroughly armed and as equally sensitive trigger happy pissbabies as the good Ole?

Nobody has said that at all? How about trying to follow the conversation instead of going off on weird rants

Rad-daddio
Apr 25, 2017
Fun one liners for when you shoot up your workplace:

"I'm fired?! Nah, you're FIRED!"

"Here's a human resource for you!"

"While you're calling security to escort me out, you should also call facilities to mop up your brains." *cocks revolver*

"My performance was lacking last quarter!? Well, now my gun is lacking bullets that are in you're head!"

"I'd love to go to your meeting, but I'm having a hard time finding my business casual holster."

"CC this memo, you fuckers!"

"Guess who's out of mood stabilizers and just cleared the background check! THIS GUY!"

"You can forward my last paycheck to the gates of hell!"

"Remember when I said you'd all regret it if someone stole my lunch form the break room refrigerator again?!"

"Here's a fun morale building exercise I call, 'Hide-and-don't-get-shot'!"

Colonel Cancer
Sep 26, 2015

Tune into the fireplace channel, you absolute buffoon
The wage slaves working in Walmart for below poverty money are an employee of Walmart and thus a valid target.
:goonsay:

OXBALLS DOT COM
Sep 11, 2005

by FactsAreUseless
Young Orc
There's actually been multiple workplace shooters who try to kill their boss/corporate officers but it turns out that the people that high up have flexible schedules and don't actually do that much work so most of the time they're simply not around when the shooting goes down

DickParasite
Dec 2, 2004


Slippery Tilde

Caesar Saladin posted:

mass stabbings in australia and the uk happen way less often than mass shootings in america, which happen so often that you don't hear about most of them

being able to easily and efficiently kill everybody around you is uniquely american, a truly USA way of flipping out

Sure. Anywhere in the world that has a social safety net is going to better off than the US. I'm saying the guy wasn't mentally ill. Unless you count everyone who has ever committed 2nd degree murder as mentally ill.

I don't know what caused this guy to snap but I do know that it was exasperated by two things:

1) access to a firearm
2) the hopelessness of being unemployed at 45

Given the ease of access to guns and the general ambiance of misery in America, I'm surprised it doesn't happen more often.

Sjs00
Jun 29, 2013

Yeah Baby Yeah !

OXBALLS DOT COM posted:

Nobody has said that at all? How about trying to follow the conversation instead of going off on weird rants

EXCUSE ME? *loads semi automatic rifle*

Streak
May 16, 2004

by Nyc_Tattoo

OXBALLS DOT COM posted:

Employees of the company you are trying to kill aren't people who have nothing to do with your target, the company, any more than enemy soldiers who you've personally never interacted with have nothing to do with the organization they represent, the enemy nation and its military.

Companies are made up primarily of people. This guy was attacking the company by attacking its constituent parts.

I'm not saying what he did was good, but his reasoning isn't entirely off base.

shut the gently caress up you gigantic idiot

(USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)

Away all Goats
Jul 5, 2005

Goose's rebellion

Who can forget the mass stabbing of 2016 that killed 59 and injured 422 people

Sjs00
Jun 29, 2013

Yeah Baby Yeah !
So if someone shoots OXBALLS DOT COM because the boss fires them he'd die thinking " eh he's not entirely off base"

OXBALLS DOT COM
Sep 11, 2005

by FactsAreUseless
Young Orc

Sjs00 posted:

So if someone shoots OXBALLS DOT COM because the boss fires them he'd die thinking " eh he's not entirely off base"

I would have shot him with my concealed carry pistol and thus have not been shot myself.

But afterwards, yes, I would think "man this guy got a raw deal and I just stood by and allowed it to happen, which was wrong."

Slutitution
Jun 26, 2018

by Nyc_Tattoo

BuckarooBanzai posted:

Sure. Anywhere in the world that has a social safety net is going to better off than the US. I'm saying the guy wasn't mentally ill. Unless you count everyone who has ever committed 2nd degree murder as mentally ill.

I don't know what caused this guy to snap but I do know that it was exasperated by two things:

1) access to a firearm
2) the hopelessness of being unemployed at 45

Given the ease of access to guns and the general ambiance of misery in America, I'm surprised it doesn't happen more often.

Sad but true.

Caesar Saladin
Aug 15, 2004

OXBALLS DOT COM posted:

I would have shot him with my concealed carry pistol and thus have not been shot myself.

nerd alert, sound the alarms whoop whoop whoop

OXBALLS DOT COM
Sep 11, 2005

by FactsAreUseless
Young Orc

Caesar Saladin posted:

nerd alert, sound the alarms whoop whoop whoop

*draws gun and fires wildly at the alarms*

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OXBALLS DOT COM
Sep 11, 2005

by FactsAreUseless
Young Orc
Workplace shootings are the price we pay for an unjust society

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