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Figured you guys might like this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6_nFI2Zb7qE Spoilers: Tucker Carlson is a giant babyman.
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mcmagic posted:I feel like we don’t need this show to learn that psychics are full of poo poo. 40% of Americans apparently do
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I guess this is where politics as entertainment leads.
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So looks like Boeing killed 330 people. Want to take bets on how many Boeing higher ups will be held responsible?
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SlothfulCobra posted:I think it's very important to keep Herman Cain away from any position of power, especially if it has anything to do with finances. He should remain a relic of a time when sexual harassment could tank your political career and the insane candidate that the news loves to give airtime to because he's so crazy didn't win. Stephen Moore, the other guy Trump announced he will nominate, the one with the awful porn star joke, that guy. Well guess what: quote:Moore advised Herman Cain, a former presidential candidate and business executive, on his 9-9-9 Tax Plan for his 2012 presidential campaign
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Still, everything else aside, who else but John Oliver straight up targets oligarchs with his platform? Like I strongly felt like the audience was reacting rather inappropriately to some of the absolutely heinous poo poo in that deposition but at the same time John is not wrong that people simply won't care if they are required to read this poo poo for themselves or listen to a dude reading it out on TV. So what the gently caress is anyone to do to call attention to this?
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pwn posted:Travel back in time and kill Edward Bernays as a baby? Yeah and then when Oliver does try to make it interesting enough people just guffaw at the punchlines and don't seem to register the terrible poo poo inbetween them.
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Ivan Shitskin posted:What makes you think it doesn't register with people? Because of the people in the studio audience laughing at the jokes? There are still millions of other people watching. The way the audience reacted to the joke while not reacting to the content, yes. It worried me.
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Literally the only reason that makes it slightly difficult for me to categorically denounce the death penalty is that some of the SS members who either occupied or betrayed my country and were sentenced to death for it but then had that sentence commuted to life managed to escape prison, flee to Germany, not be extradited (because they were German citizens, which some only were due to a nazi era law that granted citizenship to SS members) and live out the next 60+ years of their life in freedom. And even then the real solution is to just resume carpetbombing Germany until they stop defending nazis.
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May 7, 2019 12:33
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Toxic Fart Syndrome posted:If the popular vote had been followed in the last five elections the SCOTUS would be 7-2 liberal-conservative. You don't live in a democracy. Republican SCOTUS stole a presidential election. Republican Congress stole SCOTUS. The Senate is total horseshit.
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TheCenturion posted:Yeah, the only thing worse than not trying to impeach would be trying and failing. I disagree. The Abraham Lincoln brigade having existed and having failed is better than it not having existed, for example. Orange Devil fucked around with this message at 19:30 on Jun 19, 2019 |
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Jun 19, 2019 19:27
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TheCenturion posted:That leads to another important question; is having Pence as President going to be better than having Trump? Is having consequences for being bad better than not having consequences for being bad? This is why Obama should have prosecuted people for the torture programmes and the Iraq war rather than doing the farcical "we tortured some folks *sternface*" bullshit he did.
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Milo and POTUS posted:Laughing at Jon thinking people aren't going to order their oreos. I work in warehousing, in a country where Amazon's bullshit doesn't fly. Yet here also "Order today have it delivered tomorow" creates so many lovely loving jobs for no measurable societal gain it's infuriating. Just making that one thing illegal would already fix so much.
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Jul 2, 2019 22:46
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Azhais posted:Don't worry, robots are being refined that will get rid of those lovely jobs The shittiest jobs are the ones robots will have the most difficulty taking over, because they are highly variable. Pretty sure a lot of the office is going to get automated away first. LividLiquid posted:Or we could just make the companies pay more employees a living wage to work fewer hours to provide this service, which they are completely capable of doing. You could do that, but you'd still have a highly variable and unpredictable workload that needs doing immediately meaning you'd still end up sending people home after only 2 hours or misguesstimate the other way and have days where only a few people need to bust rear end to get everything done. A lot of these jobs would still be nightshifts and involve people being on call all day not knowing if they'll be working that evening/night until the last moment or not. Like yeah, you can come down hard on temp work bullshit (absolutely a thing governments should do) and make sure minimum pay per shift (regardless of hours worked) is a living wage, but what that would also do is increase the pressure on the warehouse to favour underestimateing their labour requirement rather than overestimating, leading to more chance of too few people having to deliver on an unreasonable workload. And these jobs would still be in the middle of the drat night for no reason other than people getting their e-commerce orders a day earlier. Next day delivery is the root of a lot of the shittiness in these jobs. If you don't abolish capitalism these are never going to be great jobs, but they can be a whole lot less soul-crushing with just 1 (imo small) government measure. Orange Devil fucked around with this message at 13:55 on Jul 3, 2019 |
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Kyte posted:They don't need to automate everything, they just need to provide for the most common cases. That alone would massively reduce the pressure on workers. loving lol no it won't. It'd just lead to a reduced workforce and a larger number of now-unemployed people willing to step in to take their job, loving up their labour market position even further. AKA downward wage pressure. And the third party logistics companies would see increased pressure on their profit margins at the same time, further motivating them to take full advantage of this downward wage pressure. This is because in all the 3PL contracts I'm familiar with, the contracting company is the one paying for all the machinery and if there even are any margins on that they are razor thin. And that's if automation is even worth it. Contract durations of 3 years are not unusual for 3PL contracts. That means you don't have time to write off your big automation investments, making them not worth doing in the first place. So you end up having people do jobs that machines have been invented to do years ago, because it's cheaper/much less risky. Not that the 3PL provider minds, because the only real source of margin for a 3PL provider is in labour. Either you have some form of cost-plus, meaning the more labour you can convince your customer you need to run the operation the more money you make, or you have some mix of transactional or fixed rates, meaning the fewer people you can get the job done with the more money you make. But if you use automation to do the job with less people, the customer will demand lower rates because they're already paying for the machine. Also even if you don't automate anything, the customer will demand lower rates whenever the contract is up for renewal, hence why they go in for the short durations in the first place. And so the temp workers slowly get squeezed more and more. Orange Devil fucked around with this message at 18:10 on Jul 3, 2019 |
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ninjewtsu posted:Surely if every Amazon employee can be paid six figures a year and the company still turns a profit, they could pay people to come in and sit around on their phones when there isn't work to be done I think I established in my very first post on this topic that I wasn’t talking about Amazon. And besides what you are talking about here is abolishing capitalism, which I’m all for, but until we do that a very easy and virtually costless measure we can take to improve thousands of jobs is making next day delivery illegal.
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Jul 4, 2019 19:05
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LividLiquid posted:Pay people to be there to do the job. If there isn't much of a job to do, they stand around or clean and reorganize. You're thinking like a middle manager trying to make his bonus. Even if that would work, which in many cases it wouldn’t as I’ve already explained, they’d still be working night shifts for no good goddamn reason.
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LividLiquid posted:It would work, and yes, you'd have a crew working at night. The "night shift," if you will, though who knows if that terminology would catch on. So 3 things, all of which I've already stated before: 1. I'm not talking about Amazon. I don't work for Amazon. Amazon is a massive outlier in the warehousing business, in large part because of their stupendous profitability. Amazon does not operate warehouses in the country I work in because our laws about worker protection and minimum wages make it more attractive for them to operate their warehouse in a neighbouring country instead. Which is what they do. And the stories coming out of those distribution centers are pretty horrendous. 2. The entire sector pays pretty lovely wages to the low-skilled operators. That said, in my country, those are still living wages. Wages which are attractive enough to cause tens of thousands of Eastern Europeans to leave their countries and come here to work those jobs. Unsurprisingly this puts a big downward pressure on those wages, because it is a job market after all and the neoliberal institutions of the EU exist to ensure that things work out in exactly this way. 3. The wages in a vacuum aren't even what makes the job lovely, though you won't hear me saying the wages are good either. The jobs are lovely because of precarity first and foremost, where you don't know how many hours you'll be working next week, or even tonight. They're lovely because the workload can spike suddenly, putting a lot of pressure on everyone to get done more than planned for because welp I guess a lot of people decided to all use the webshop this evening. And they're lovely because if you can order in a webshop until 23:30, or 23:59, and still have guaranteed next day delivery, the only way that actually happens is by a lot of people working their entire jobs at night every night. Saucy_Rodent posted:I think even the abused workers would vote any politician that suggested this out of office. Next day delivery exists because people want it. No it doesn't, it's an artificial demand created by competitive pressure and marketing, something which happens in capitalism all the time. If you're distributing medicine or similar then you've got a genuine possible next day or even same day demand. That's fine. if you're distributing consumer goods the only reason there's a next day demand is because if you as a consumer have the choice between 2 webshops who are functionally identical but one offers next day delivery and the other doesn't, you pick the one that does because why not? But your life is not measurably improved by this, while the jobs of literally tens of thousands of people is measurably worsened. And because of this competition the companies cannot unilaterally decide not to offer the service. Government legislation however, absolutely could kill this stone dead and improve jobs at virtually no cost. And if the immeasurably small benefit to consumers outweighs the interests of the workers here, well, that's a political choice we're all making. Freaquency posted:I noticed that you can now choose an "Amazon Day" where they'll deliver all the stuff you order through the course of a week on like a Tuesday or whatever. I wonder if that could have any meaningful impact on how hard the warehouse workers are pushed if enough people use it and they have a better idea of how much stock is going to be pulled in advance. Or maybe it just makes everything worse because they hold out on picking everything until the day before so you have all that stuff on top of the need-it-next-day Oreos people are ordering. Even if they'd save up the orders to pick the day before (something actually likely because then you can pick into the trucks rather than having a bunch of picked pallets standing around taking up space all week) you could still have a lot less pressure on the warehouse workers because you could properly plan for these picks. That means efficient pickruns (not going from 1 side of the Whs to the other and all the way back again) and a proper workload planning meaning you can get the right amount of workers in to do the job. Ofcourse, Amazon would still get to decide what they think a reasonable target number of picks per hour is (so they could still squeeze hard) plus you'd now have a much higher demand for workers on 1 day of the week, meaning you'd basically have jobs that are part time for 1 day only. In conclusion: What I'm saying is, if you want to really fix things permanently, you've got to abolish capitalism. I'm all in for this. But unless you have a brilliant plan to get that done, it's not happening any time soon. In the meanwhile, I'm presenting a concrete action government can take (and thus, we can demand from our representatives) which will have a real positive impact on tens of thousands of workers and which can be implemented today. Orange Devil fucked around with this message at 07:48 on Jul 5, 2019 |
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Baronash posted:The reason your solution blows is that you think the invisible hand of the free market will fix the plight of the warehouse worker if only the state could save the midnight Oreo buyers from themselves. Is that really an accurate representation of what I've said?
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Jul 5, 2019 18:16
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Baronash posted:Yes, because for whatever reason you think that a ban on next day shipping (the enforcement of which is laughable even to think about) would suddenly lead to these retailers deciding that they really ought to care about their workers a bit more. Please quote where I've made this argument. quote:They'll get rid of some of their workforce and squeeze the remaining employees just as hard because there is a profit motive to do so. Are you just going to keep ignoring my point that a real contributor to the shittiness of these jobs is next day delivery, regardless of how squeezed employees are getting? Orange Devil fucked around with this message at 20:48 on Jul 5, 2019 |
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Jul 5, 2019 20:45
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Baronash posted:Sky-high pick counts, long walks between items, poor ergonomics, and unforgiving metric-based termination were all a part of the Amazon experience long before they were touting free next-day delivery for Prime members. If you want to say more people experience it now because next-day delivery requires more employees than two-day delivery, then we agree, but the underlying experience of each one of those employees is likely as lovely as it was before. Less lead time leads to less optimized pick routes as pickwaves are released more frequently and contain fewer SKUs, leading to more walking. Other than that, we agree that Amazon can squeeze their employees regardless of next day delivery. However you're still ignoring that: 1. I've explicitly stated multiple times that I'm not talking about Amazon. 2. Less walking and dayshifts rather than nightshifts means the underlying experience is likely less lovely than before. Even if still lovely. 3. I've never claimed eliminating next day shipping would make these jobs good. In fact I've explicitly stated it wouldn't. What I've argued this entire time is that it would make these jobs measurably less lovely and it would do so at a loss of minimal societal benefit. 4. Forbidding next day shipping for consumer goods is literally setting limits on what you can ask a human being to do in a warehouse context. And it's a hell of a lot more enforcable than even existing limitations, such as labour time laws and max lifting weights.
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LividLiquid posted:There is a way of doing next and same-day delivery of stuff all over the country in a profitable way that doesn't gently caress over the workers, but for some reason if you say that, people show up to bootlick for billionaires. And this way is?
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Baronash posted:Are you under the impression that second and third shift didn't exist in warehouses until Amazon popularized next-day shipping? Most of the warehouses of the company I work for (which is a 3PL focused solely on warehousing) don't run night shifts at all, or only run small night shifts during a few peak months. Except the ones doing e-commerce with next day delivery, those are build around evening and night shifts. So that's the impression I'm under. quote:By setting limitations and empowering regulatory agencies to enforce them with fines, warehouse shutdowns, and prison time in extreme cases. Then you let them figure out if they can still make it work. What limitations, and how would you enforce them? And why do you think it's desirable to let companies figure out if they can still deliver on some assinine thing which demonstrably requires loving over workers rather than just setting a limitation to solve that specific issue? You guys are coming in with "man, we should really regulate warehousing companies to improve the lives of their workers" and I'm giving you one example of a specific, actionable way to do that, and you insist we shouldn't even try to do that but should strive for vague generalities instead. Wait, is it because you personally don't want to give up the perceived convenience of next day delivery? Is that the craziness that's been going on for this last page? Orange Devil fucked around with this message at 22:56 on Jul 5, 2019 |
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I mean, I'm the one doing the calculations and figuring out what is possible, but ok.
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Baronash posted:Those same e-commerce companies were running night shifts for 2 day shipping and 3-5 day shipping before that. None of this is new, holy poo poo. Warehouses I’m familiar with doing 2 or 3 day lead times don’t run night shifts. There’s literally a financial incentive not to since night shifts cost more, So again speaking from my direct experience and that of coworkers who I’ve had this discussion with, you wouldn’t have the same situation. And again I’m not proposing this as *the* solution but as one thing to do with little negative impact and a whole lot of positive. Agree on low shelves, that should be outlawed. Agree on scanners, I’m happy ergonomics are a primary concern for our newest, but the old ones still suck. Agree on notice for cancelled shifts, but would like to point out that more predictable volume due to no next day delivery would already significantly reduce cancelled shifts. We have stepladders where required, should definitely be mandatory. I don’t see how you’d legislate or enforce pickers in zones though. Some of these legislation is absolutely the only way to accomplish this, as market pressure makes it impossible otherwise. And to be clear, I don’t own the company I work at.
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LividLiquid posted:But that would be impossible because A competitor would not do these things and squeeze employees instead, driving the nice warehousing company out of business. You know, market pressure.
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LividLiquid posted:In this hypothetical, that couldn't happen. The hypothetical is that we make it impossible for companies to abuse their workers instead of sucking up the cost of the things they promise for their customers. Now if you want to argue that it won't happen because labor unions are weak, or corporate america is needlessly corrupt, or capitalism can't work without abject exploitation, we can talk, but your argument hasn't been any of those. It's been that we need to exploit people. So it's painfully obvious that you're not a defeated pessimist like some of us. You're a bootlick who needs us all to understand that the bosses know best and shared that information with you because you're special. Right, so warehouses couldn't "quite simply" do the things PT6A outlined. Instead first legislation is needed to force all warehouses to do these things, thus removing the market pressure. Then on top of that you have the issues you list. But my point was never "we need to exploit people". My point is "in order for a business to function in capitalism, it must exploit people", which is patently true and also the main reason capitalism should be abolished. Also, gently caress you.
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Toxic Fart Syndrome posted:Eh, I don't want to actually nationalize the infrastructure Why not?
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Ra Ra Rasputin posted:This might interest those who watched the prison episode a bit back, Bernie's plans to actually do something. If you watch this show and aren't voting Bernie I don't even know what to tell you.
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Milo and POTUS posted:The real reason to doubt sanders is because the economy is primed to explode and he'll never get enough senators None of which is a) within his control b) something that will be better with a different candidate
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Alhazred posted:So why is this thread suddenly about a politician who hasn't been covered in the last few episodes? Well, let's read some excerpts of what Ra Ra Rasputin linked as planks of Bernie's platform: quote:End Profiteering in Our Criminal Justice System I think every single one of these points was either mentioned in at least 1 episode or was the subject of an episode. All with the message that "this poo poo is hosed up and someone needs to change this". On a lot of these, Bernie is the only one proposing to change them. Also I cut out a lot of points from the original. All of those points I cut were excellent as well. Seriously how the gently caress do you watch this program, nod along and go "yeah this Jon Oliver character is right, we really should improve these things about our country" and then not vote for the first guy in decades who actually wants to improve your decrepit shithole of a country?
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SlothfulCobra posted:It's great that real-life hospital doctors like to act like they're loving House. God complex being prevalent amongst medical professionals is not fiction.
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So you're a professional dom(me)?
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Oliver recommending voting machines with a paper trail was very cringe. The solution is to get rid of voting machines. Vote with pencil and paper (no dumb punchcard poo poo). That poo poo works and, combined with proper bipartisan ballot count monitoring, cannot be hacked. Ofcourse, it also cannot be grifted for sweet government contracts, which is the main reason voting machines are a thing.
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tarlibone posted:Five seconds after the very first secret ballot election in human history was announced, a corrupt politician figured out a way to manipulate the results, . And since then we've come with a hell of a lot of measures to make sure paper ballots are counted correctly. Measures that are so much more effective than even the best electronic voting machine. Baronash posted:Unless you’re actually suggesting hand counting ballots, which is a massive undertaking. I am absolutely suggesting hand counting ballots. This is what we do in the Netherlands now. It means you get the results some hours later. It also means you can trust that the results of your election actually reflect the votes cast by the voters. Is that worth something to you? We used to have machines. Then a university hacked them. Easily. Multiple times. So we got rid of them because we give a poo poo about democracy. If you haven't seen this, you absolutely need to: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w3_0x6oaDmI Orange Devil fucked around with this message at 08:13 on Nov 5, 2019 |
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punk rebel ecks posted:What cases have their been of elected officials winning due to someone hacking or tampering with voting machines? The burden of proof is very much on the company making money off of these machines on the whole "does this potentially fatally comprimise our democracy?" question. Actually that's not at all true: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electronic_voting_by_country Most countries on that list have actually abandoned electronic voting. And every single one that hasn't are being loving idiots. And they're hardly "most modern democracies" to begin with. Orange Devil fucked around with this message at 21:59 on Nov 5, 2019 |
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Craptacular! posted:My machine shows me a paper printout of my ballot when I submit my vote. I don’t have a problem with machines when they have a physical backup for recounts. How isn't this just a very expensive pencil?
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Actually if a person is a total rear end in a top hat and also has physical features that are funny then that's highly relevant imo.
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Bro, Trump is president, the world stopped making any goddamn sense a long time ago.
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Grand Fromage posted:The systems are so dumb about sending you ads for stuff you just bought. Sorry guys, I don't need a new video card, I bought one from you last week. Now be less dumb and send me that ad in, oh, three years and I'm still probably deleting it unread, but it's at least more than a 0% chance I am thinking about a new card. I like (loving hate) this the most when I've just booked a holiday to a certain place. Next weeks/months I get advertisements for holidays to the same place, sometimes even the exact same house I decided to rent. How about instead you send me ads for poo poo to do in that area, given how I'm obviously in the market for that?
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