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Groovelord Neato
Dec 6, 2014


how the gently caress did turkmenistan get the two craziest leaders in history back to back.

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Groovelord Neato
Dec 6, 2014


Washington Post looked at a decade of elections and found ~30 credible (not even proved) cases of in-person voter fraud in a billion votes.

Groovelord Neato
Dec 6, 2014


SlothfulCobra posted:

The supreme court has declined to rule on it.

But they sure do love gutting the Voting Rights Act without even trying to give a constitutional argument.

Groovelord Neato
Dec 6, 2014


Jack Thompson.

America has an incredibly stupid court system. Gawker's destruction is infamous for Peter Thiel backing the lawsuit because he's a huge pissbaby that was upset Valleywag outed him but the only reason they were able to destroy Gawker was because of a dumb quirk of the law since the suit was originally against radio shock jock Bubba the Love Sponge who ended up settling.

Groovelord Neato
Dec 6, 2014


Baronash posted:

There's no "dumb quirk." Hulk Hogan's sex tape wasn't newsworthy, and Gawker got its poo poo rightfully pushed in for publishing it (and being dipshits in court).

Are you really arguing the investigative bona fides of a gossip rag?

lmao

Groovelord Neato
Dec 6, 2014


Azhais posted:

Anything people are clinging to Bernie to solve does. If you could just executive order nationalized healthcare, ubi, free housing, and education debt forgiveness, I'm pretty sure Obama would have tried at least some it.

hhaahahahhahahahah good one. You know Obama filled his admin's economic positions with the people that helped cause the crash?

Groovelord Neato
Dec 6, 2014


You could just say you don't know how executive power works.

v real loving bad post below.

Groovelord Neato fucked around with this message at 17:35 on Feb 10, 2020

Groovelord Neato
Dec 6, 2014



quote:

“Clinton was the last straw, so dad picked up stakes and moved us out of the country. I think he wanted us to see what a debauched idea socialism was and that socialism was what the Clintons stood for. He wanted us to see what socialism did in the real world—how it destroyed people and human happiness in practice.”

The president that gutted welfare lol

Groovelord Neato
Dec 6, 2014


Good article from a few years back about that very phenomenon:

The Long, Lucrative Right-wing Grift Is Blowing Up in the World's Face

quote:

For years, the conservative movement peddled one set of talking points to the rabble, while its elites consumed a more grounded and reality-based media. The rubes listened to talk radio, read right-wing blogs, watched Fox News. They were fed apocalyptic paranoia about threats to their liberty, racial hysteria about the generalized menace posed by various groups of brown people, and hysterical lies about the criminal misdeeds of various Democratic politicians. The people in charge, meanwhile, read The Wall Street Journal and The Weekly Standard, and they tended to have a better grasp of political reality, as when those sources deceived their readers, it was mostly unintentionally, with comforting fantasies about the efficacy of conservative policies. From the Reagan era through the Bush administration, the system seemed to be performing as designed.

...

Donald Trump is 70 years old. He has always, clearly, been an incoherent thinker, contradictory and prone to self-gratifying delusions. But if, for much of his life, he was able to pass as an intelligent and well-informed man, it was probably just because he religiously read newspapers, especially the New York Times. That was and is a decent way to sound like a smart person, at least for a few minutes, which is long enough to impress most rich people. Now, though, Trump is older, his thinking more rigid, his favored media outlets less trustworthy and more likely to reinforce reactionary tendencies. Cable news has largely replaced newspapers as his primary source of information about the world. He has also taken to reading conspiratorial websites run by kooks and con artists. Perhaps, if you have a white parent or grandparent over 60, this sounds familiar?

Trump was always venal, dishonest, genuinely deluded about his financial acumen and business success, and, you know, a wildly misogynistic accused rapist and sexual harasser. But for most of his public life, he also clearly knew the right sorts of things to say to sound like a reasonable person, albeit a mostly ridiculous one. Donald Trump the deranged believer of bizarre untruths about the world at large is actually a fairly recent development. This is why, when he flirted with presidential runs in the past, he spoke positively of universal healthcare. This is why, when he planned to win the nomination of the Reform Party in 2000, he attacked Pat Buchanan as a right-wing extremist. This is why he spent many years claiming to have opposed the Iraq War—which he did, albeit after it was too late, and not before. Trump learned what to think about the world at large from the media, and for most of his life, he was a consumer of the mainstream media.

Donald Trump today is a cruel dolt turned into a raving madman by cable news and Breitbart.com. You could see the descent happen during the Obama era, in concert with the broader maddening of the GOP. The major difference between Trump and the other old white men who’ve been radicalized by the conservative press is that his was a strangely self-directed conversion, based on his desire to make himself known as a plausible Republican presidential candidate.

...

Being the head sucker of the party of suckers is in some sense an appropriate fate for a veteran purveyor of substandard garbage like Donald Trump. Slapping his name on shoddy products marketed to people who—like Trump himself!—buy into the myth of Trump as a man of class, intelligence, and distinction kept him afloat after real estate and casinos nearly ruined him. Trump Steaks, Trump University, Trump Wine, “Trump”-branded developments he had no part in building or managing; Trump sold bullshit for so long that he seemed to begin to believe in the bullshit himself. And once the product was literally him, how could he not believe in it?

https://splinternews.com/the-long-lucrative-right-wing-grift-is-blowing-up-in-t-1793944216

Groovelord Neato
Dec 6, 2014


The Cheshire Cat posted:

Yeah this is why I'm concerned about the increasing number of prominent young conservative pundits and their following (like your Ben Shapiro types). The thing about the guys talking about trickle down economics in the 80s - they all knew it was bullshit. It was the lie that got them the thing they wanted, which was more money. They were lovely people but they would also know not to push the grift to the point of like, starting a nuclear war or something. The new generation of conservatives never got that memo. They were raised in an environment where all the grift was presented to them as just the basic truth as how the world works, and trained to ignore any evidence to the contrary. They will just keep doubling down because they are not in on the scam. They are true believers.

Your James O'Keefes and Ben Shapiros are in a weird spot where they're true believers but also it's a grift. Like if O'Keefes poo poo was so true he wouldn't have to deceptively edit it or lie about how he dressed so he's gotta have some awareness about that. Shapiro wouldn't be selling brain pills and gold to his audience if he had any respect for their intelligence. There's a great takedown of O'Keefe that had its first part put up on youtube the other day and I was actually surprised to find out he's been a true believer since a young age.

The Cheshire Cat posted:

I feel like even people who always disliked him still underestimated how lovely of a person he is because they simply could not imagine a person being so terrible in so many different ways. Like of course he must keep up with the news, how could he not? He must have read something in his life, right? The bar cannot possibly be this low, right?

Yeah I figured it'd be an embarrassing nightmare but there's really no way to brace yourself for how he's actually been.

Groovelord Neato fucked around with this message at 12:42 on Apr 22, 2020

Groovelord Neato
Dec 6, 2014


America is de facto a dictatorship and it's weird how little media play that gets.

Groovelord Neato
Dec 6, 2014


I always learned only plurals get the apostrophe at the end but all I see now is popping the apostrophe on the end if the noun ends in an S whether it's a plural or not.

Groovelord Neato
Dec 6, 2014


They did for me. A singular noun ending in S got 's. The possessive form of James was James's. Or in this case I would've been taught Dallas's.

Groovelord Neato
Dec 6, 2014


From 1968:

quote:

How would you define somebody who smashes in the window of a television store and takes what he wants?

JAMES BALDWIN: Before I get to that, how would you define somebody who puts a cat where he is and takes all the money out of the ghetto where he makes it? Who is looting whom? Grabbing off the TV set? He doesn't really want the TV set. He's saying screw you. It's just judgment, by the way, on the value of the TV set. He doesn't want it. He wants to let you know he's there. The question I'm trying to raise is a very serious question. The mass media-television and all the major news agencies-endlessly use that word "looter." On television you always see black hands reaching in, you know. And so the American public concludes that these savages are trying to steal everything from us, And no one has seriously tried to get where the trouble is. After all, you're accusing a captive population who has been robbed of everything of looting. I think it's obscene.

Groovelord Neato
Dec 6, 2014


Musharraf posted:

Wow, that clip at the end was like a PSA against immigration. "I don't own any property here, so of course I'm gonna burn it all down. IDGAF". I have no doubt it was deliberately chosen to stoke the racist fears of centrist viewers. Can't believe people are falling for it and cheering how "leftist" Oliver is now.

https://twitter.com/byjoelanderson/status/750914040529088512?s=20

Groovelord Neato
Dec 6, 2014


muscles like this! posted:

His mentioning of believing a conspiracy theory about Princess Di reminds me of a book I read back in the mid 00s about debunking conspiracy theories. Except that when the author got to the section about 9/11 truthers he starts talking about how they actually have some reasonable ideas, thus undercutting the entire concept of the book.

It's a shame it wasn't done on purpose because that'd be an amazing troll.

Phenotype posted:

Okay, so one thing I never understood though. Why can't you see any debris from the plane in the pictures of the Pentagon?

You can.



The reason you see very little is the plane was going full speed and smashed through the Pentagon outer wall and disintegrated. It happens a lot of times during controlled flights into terrain.

That's not to say a Flash video popular around that time about it being a missile didn't fool a friend and me for a hot minute.

Groovelord Neato fucked around with this message at 17:13 on Jul 27, 2020

Groovelord Neato
Dec 6, 2014


Phenotype posted:

Are you sure that debris isn't just photoshopped in* to convince people it wasn't a false flag and an opportunity for the deep state to destroy incriminating data held at the Pentagon?

*by hackers funded by George Soros

The argument is that it was planted lol. I'm so very glad that I had mostly immunized myself against conspiracy theories before 9/11 by reading up on how a lot of the JFK conspiracy poo poo are lies or mistakes.

Groovelord Neato
Dec 6, 2014


Oh no doubt but like other people said there is an element of people wanting to believe the world is ordered instead of chaotic. It's more comforting to think a vast government conspiracy had to pull off JFK or 9/11 than it is that one deranged guy took down a beloved president or a smallish group of fanatics brought the most powerful country on Earth to its knees.

Groovelord Neato
Dec 6, 2014


Man the little girl with her mom :(

Groovelord Neato
Dec 6, 2014


It's actually 75 years.

Groovelord Neato
Dec 6, 2014


If the Democrats get the trifecta in November they NEED to make the Postal Service part of the government and institute postal banking again but I'm not holding my breath.

Groovelord Neato
Dec 6, 2014


Djarum posted:

The RNC was something in general. I have only seen some clips here and there but it seems like it was insane.

God then being off for a month is going to be nuts, especially with how fast things are going anymore.

The RNC was insanely bizarre because they all acted like Trump defeated the pandemic but also that Trump hasn't been president the past four years.

It was straight up "elect Trump to save yourselves from Trump's America".

Groovelord Neato
Dec 6, 2014


None of them have the weird charisma Trump has. Ivanka is too practiced and phony and Junior is trying too hard.

Groovelord Neato
Dec 6, 2014


tsob posted:

Liam Hemsworth, Donald Glover, Henry Cavill, Mila Kunis, Adam Driver and Emily Blunt are showing up for my year of birth (1983). Which would be pretty depressing, if I didn't mollify myself by rationalizing that it's relatively easy to look good when you have essentially infinite money to throw at the task, and an army of people who are employed by both themselves and studios to ensure they look that good using make up, fitted suits that cost thousands of dollars apiece etc. for awards shows, in films etc. Edward Snowden is also in that list, and he seems far more indicative, since he's not going to have those advantages. He still looks better than me, but it's mostly the fact he's not somewhat pudgy, and wears decent suits in most shots you see of him rather than a cheap t-shirt and some jeans or shorts.

Adam Driver looks weird though. He's just tall.

Groovelord Neato
Dec 6, 2014


We'd also have to abolish the Senate (or render it so powerless it'd end up a ceremonial body) which is all but impossible.

Groovelord Neato
Dec 6, 2014


DogsInSpace! posted:

He knew them by name.

He didn't. Joe Biden said the name.

Groovelord Neato
Dec 6, 2014


DogsInSpace! posted:

I apologize. I swear I didn't catch that in the clip. Was it in another? Sorry if I misrepresented. Darn editors. Not the first time I've seen that.

He wanted them to name a white supremacist group and Biden said Proud Boys twice.

Groovelord Neato
Dec 6, 2014


Alhazred posted:

He should've said the GOP.

Joe wouldn't speak ill of his buddies.

Groovelord Neato
Dec 6, 2014


Came to the thread to celebrate.

Groovelord Neato
Dec 6, 2014


Alien 3 isn't good but it's far better than it has any right to be. Godfather 3 is weird because unlike the other movies it doesn't feel like it takes place in the period it does. The scene in Andy Garcia's apartment really throws it off so it feels like it takes place in the period it was filmed.

Groovelord Neato
Dec 6, 2014


tarlibone posted:

Am I the only one who thinks it's weird how everybody seems to be assuming that the election is over and that Biden will be the president in a couple months?

In five weeks, the electors meet. Trump's people have openly boasted about how they are going to try to steal the election by asking states to select Trump-loyal electors should Trump apparently lose the election. Why is everyone seemingly assuming that this is over?

Because it is. If it was 270-268 you might've had to worry about faithless electors factoring in but the margin is too large.

Groovelord Neato
Dec 6, 2014


It's Yub Nub you pleb.

Groovelord Neato
Dec 6, 2014


Azhais posted:

Less than 250k have died in total from corona

The actual number is definitely higher than the official count.

Groovelord Neato
Dec 6, 2014


Oi I'm gunna nip off for some cheeky crisps I am.

Groovelord Neato
Dec 6, 2014


SlothfulCobra posted:

Man, Rick Scott and his efforts to decrease welfare. Might as well dig up this gem.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K0TIyuGemAQ

It's so American that the greatest welfare fraudster in history is a Republican who got super rich off and it keeps getting elected into office.

Groovelord Neato
Dec 6, 2014


Macdeo Lurjtux posted:

I'm surprised they didn't bring up Tucker's head writer being fired after reporters found his account on a white nationalist site.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/life...4af1_story.html

Yeah I was thinking this every time a clip came up.

Groovelord Neato
Dec 6, 2014


Narcissus1916 posted:

Was I the only one who didn't care for the piece on Tucker? I kept waiting for them to dig into WHY Tucker is in some ways worse than other Fox News' talking heads but... nope

It was nuts they left out his former head writer wrote insanely racist things on a racist forum.

Groovelord Neato
Dec 6, 2014


Skippy McPants posted:

I dunno, "economists don't know poo poo about how modern economies work so why should we listen to them?" seems pretty self-evident at this point.

I once ate a probe in USPOL for saying that economics is one of if not the most corrupt academic discipline.

Groovelord Neato
Dec 6, 2014


I had never heard of that lady so I thought he was gonna talk about the lady whose parents were murdered in the Luby's massacre and she had to leave her gun in the car due to Texas law at the time. She got elected to the state legislature and helped weaken gun control laws under the delusion she would've stopped the gunman if she had her gun in her purse.

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Groovelord Neato
Dec 6, 2014


Xealot posted:

I fully believe it happened, yeah. Her story is that car-full of dudes harassed her on the street, a perennial reality for young women. But whether they actually constituted a physical threat vs. being scumbags who wanted to feel powerful through words is unclear, since she instantly escalated the situation to life or death.

It's mostly interesting how direct the line is between this and actual murders by police: the perception of fear or danger by the right protected class of person instantly becomes the forensic reality. Maybe these guys wanted to cause specific physical harm, maybe they didn't...but de facto it's the former because this legislation is built on the assumption her fear was valid. It's ridiculous on its face that random citizens' perception of the event is enough for authorities to go on (especially after someone literally dies), but it's even more ridiculous to me that police - a profession that assumes you can objectively assess risk - has even less scrutiny on an individual or systemic level after SO MANY suspicious deaths.

The funny thing about her telling the story and the cop saying she'd get in trouble...

quote:

4. Most purported self-defense gun uses are gun uses in escalating arguments, and are both socially undesirable and illegal

We analyzed data from two national random-digit-dial surveys conducted under the auspices of the Harvard Injury Control Research Center. Criminal court judges who read the self-reported accounts of the purported self-defense gun use rated a majority as being illegal, even assuming that the respondent had a permit to own and to carry a gun, and that the respondent had described the event honestly from his own perspective.

https://www.hsph.harvard.edu/hicrc/firearms-research/gun-threats-and-self-defense-gun-use-2/

Groovelord Neato fucked around with this message at 13:54 on May 24, 2021

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