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You know the liberal mind is sick and twisted when we're relitigating 2016 in a thread about a woman being held as a prisoner for civil disobedience. Especially since she spent the entirety of the 2016 campaign locked up in a military prison.
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COMRADES posted:You missed the point. It's not that they screwed Bernie (which they did). It's that they are corrupt assholes whose real masters are the rich so why should I vote for them at all? the emails were sent and leaked after and if the dnc was that good at ratfucking why did dumb rear end obama manage to not be impacted by the dnc smearing him lol like gently caress the dnc and all but just lol if you believe it exists for any reason other than favors between rich people
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Mar 9, 2019 17:57
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hallebarrysoetoro posted:the emails were sent and leaked after In your first paragraph you say "they didn't really do anything" and your second paragraph is "it's just a cabal for favors among the rich." Well it can't really be both lol
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Mar 9, 2019 17:59
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tbf the hanging out with nazis thing WAS pretty fuckin' bad, but I don't think it's helljail worthy since she's never signal-boosted them or shared their values in any way.
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Mar 9, 2019 18:07
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wikileaks is run by a right-wing shill but it was hard to tell that at the time
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Mar 9, 2019 18:11
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COMRADES posted:In your first paragraph you say "they didn't really do anything" and your second paragraph is "it's just a cabal for favors among the rich." yes i do hate to break it to you but the rich aren't really good at anything or capable of doing anything other than voting for themselves to have raises at board meetings and appointing know nothing relatives to draw a massive salary. like do you honestly think the rich can do anything other than buy people
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Mar 9, 2019 18:12
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It really really doesnt matter what the politics of the people invplved are if the leaks are real and they are so vOv
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Mar 9, 2019 18:13
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hallebarrysoetoro posted:weren't those emails from like a solid month after bernie was mathmatically incapable of being nominated lol uh, so hanging out with the wrong people should be a jailable offense? gently caress you
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Mar 9, 2019 18:13
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Panzeh posted:wikileaks is run by a right-wing shill but it was hard to tell that at the time Nah, assange is just a narcissist who likes feeling powerful enough to affect world events
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Mar 9, 2019 18:14
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That feel when you hate trump so much you support everything he does
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Mar 9, 2019 18:34
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hallebarrysoetoro posted:yes i do hate to break it to you but the rich aren't really good at anything or capable of doing anything other than voting for themselves to have raises at board meetings and appointing know nothing relatives to draw a massive salary. like do you honestly think the rich can do anything other than buy people But the 2016 election was all about buying people? That's kinda the point the leaks made that clear and in everyone's face. Some people chose to call it Russian propaganda and ignored it ofc.
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Mar 9, 2019 18:45
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Liberals: stop litigating 2016 bernie bros  Also liberals: * literally cannot stop litigating 2016*
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Mar 9, 2019 18:47
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Actually it's cool and good that we're locking up a trans woman who leaked our military doing atrocities because 6 years after she leaked it the organization that she leaked it to did something that might've mildly influenced elections in a way I disagree with.
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SMILLENNIALSMILLEN posted:Lmao the ideology of remembering that stuff that happened indeed RottenK posted:the key assholes who created the mess are the entire democratic establishment so... the republicans, the voters, the crazies had nothing to do with this? The entire reason Manning is being summoned to court, to testify (note not get charged and she can't cause she already did the time and was convicted) for an investigation against Trump, an investigation that AOC and Sanders want is... Obummer and Pelosi? This is laughable. [qoute]Really the most frustrating thing of all is the Dem's inability to properly diagnose what happened. Clinton sucked and promised more status quo bs that everyone hated, get over it. She fumbled what should have been an easy jog to the endzone and that's not Putin's fault or Manning's fault or any other scapegoat.[/quote] this is not why she's being dragged into court, it's about Assange not Clinton being a loving poo poo candidate. Grapplejack posted:The wikileaks dem emails thing was basically just pointing out poo poo that everybody knew but wouldn't talk about like "clinton bought her way through the primaries" and "everyone in the democratic establishment is extremely out of touch" which had an effect on the election Except it is, if you remember yesterday. I know, remembering is a liberal issue and conservatives don't do it but they wanted to get Assange back then. She blocked them. Then Assange was part of the go to between Trump and Russia and is a reason he get elected. We want to find out how that happened, get rid of Trump, and stop Putin, Manning is a part of that because she made herself one and continues to be one by refusing give information on Assange. GreyjoyBastard posted:The reason Manning's decided to die on this hill doesn't really have anything to do with Wikileaks, if we trust her statement, which we really have no reason not to. Yeah no she's refused to testify in open court before. Her line drawn and her excuses always center around Assange. Who I will remind you is a right wing nazi rapist cutout for Russia. Why defend that? Yinlock posted:tbf the hanging out with nazis thing WAS pretty fuckin' bad, but I don't think it's helljail worthy since she's never signal-boosted them or shared their values in any way. I like you in general even when we don't agree but you're in luck! They are going to jail her for refusing to give information on a Nazi. She's more Manafort than Cohen now. Panzeh posted:wikileaks is run by a right-wing shill but it was hard to tell that at the time No it wasn't if you remember yesterday. He stated all the time that the only solution was the destruction of the USA and the EU followed by libertarian utopia. This was always what he wanted and the end game. What do you think libertarianism is?
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Mar 9, 2019 19:56
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I am surprised we have people that post in CSPAM that believe the Trump won because Russia meme. I thought that was only believed by suburban Dems that can’t accept they are out of touch with the general public.
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Mar 9, 2019 20:03
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MysteriousStranger posted:idiotic fits my needs posted:shut the gently caress up, liberal
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MysteriousStranger posted:Hurrrrrrr Thank you Madam President.
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Mar 9, 2019 20:22
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Russia is good, actually, and it's cool that Putin mind controlled people through memes no one saw.
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Mar 9, 2019 20:23
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COMRADES posted:I was going to say "I thought people couldn't be compelled to testify in matters that might incriminate them" but then I realized the USA is a demon nation with a human face mask and probably the fact that it is a 'grand jury' nullifies those rights. The prosecutors gave her immunity which kills her fifth amendment right.
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Captain Billy Pissboy posted:Russia is good, actually, and it's cool that Putin mind controlled people through memes no one saw. real david and goliath story honestly
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Mar 9, 2019 20:45
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CharlestheHammer posted:I am surprised we have people that post in CSPAM that believe the Trump won because Russia meme. given the closeness of the election I feel the sum total of Russian action (most notably the DNC hacks) is one of the many, many things where if they didn't happen Clinton could have squeaked it out people who discount it entirely are dumb, people who discount everything else are extremely dumb
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Mar 9, 2019 21:10
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Lol imagine defending the legitimacy of secret courts jailing someone for objecting to them
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Mar 9, 2019 21:11
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Coolness Averted posted:Yeah and she's also objecting to the whole leverage grand juries have to effectively lock away someone indefinitely in violation of the spirit of their 5th amendment rights. Even though yeah grand juries are specifically listed as an exception to the 5th. Yeah fair enough. Neither of those things are injustices that I'd personally care enough aboht to go to jail for, but it's possible Chelsea Manning is unusually sensitive to flaws in the justice system for some reason.
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Mar 9, 2019 21:16
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Willie Tomg posted:a grand jury is very very different from a regular jury. juries are the bodies who find cops guilty of murder when they shoot unarmed black people, grand juries are the bodies wh decide that actually the cop acted lawfully and its not worth having a trial about. refusing to give a statement to a grand jury when they decide that actually not giving a statement isn't a valid invocation of constitutional rights is contempt of court, which carries with it a jail sentence of "however the gently caress long we feel like" and basically your only recourse is bugging the SCOTUS about it. I had to do grand jury duty once and we had a cop shooting and I was incredibly mad that it was the only actual case where the other guy pulled a gun and opened up first, according to footage from a medical transport vehicle that had a dash cam and happened to be driving by
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Mar 9, 2019 21:19
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GreyjoyBastard posted:Yeah fair enough. she's a true manafort and assange
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Mar 9, 2019 21:37
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MysteriousStranger posted:indeed thanks to this post, I'm now a third world maoist
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MysteriousStranger posted:she's a true manafort and assange The gently caress does this even mean?
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SMILLENNIALSMILLEN posted:Lmao the ideology of remembering that stuff that happened lol
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GreyjoyBastard posted:The reason Manning's decided to die on this hill doesn't really have anything to do with Wikileaks, if we trust her statement, which we really have no reason not to. If it isn’t about protecting someone by not testifying, why not testify and then violate the gag order or whatever? Seems like the more principled stance and openly defying secret courts seems more on target than this procedural violation.
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how is that in any way better, it just changes when the punishment happens and turns the thing into she said she said thing
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Marketing New Brain posted:If it isn’t about protecting someone by not testifying, why not testify and then violate the gag order or whatever? Seems like the more principled stance and openly defying secret courts seems more on target than this procedural violation. cooperating with the secret court sounds less principled than not cooperating
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Mar 9, 2019 22:39
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CharlestheHammer posted:how is that in any way better, it just changes when the punishment happens and turns the thing into she said she said thing Because she would be targeting the secrecy part of the proceedings she doesn’t agree with, openly defying it rather than going to jail for defying a court she would apparently testify in if the hearing were public. The American people deserve to know what is going on in this court, I’m going to tell them and go to jail is a different stance than I won’t participate in this secret proceeding and go to jail.
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Mar 9, 2019 22:57
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She shouldn't be jailed, but whats this poo poo about her hanging out with neo-nazi's?
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Venom Snake posted:She shouldn't be jailed, but whats this poo poo about her hanging out with neo-nazi's? Agreed about the fact that she shouldn't be jailed. As far as the hanging out with bad people, I believe right around the time she declared to be running for Senator in Maryland she went to some party thrown or attended by Mike Cernovich and then also an escape room with a similar group of bad people you should in no circumstances associate yourself with.
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Venom Snake posted:She shouldn't be jailed, but whats this poo poo about her hanging out with neo-nazi's? https://twitter.com/yashar/status/9...py-not-a-racist
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Venom Snake posted:She shouldn't be jailed, but whats this poo poo about her hanging out with neo-nazi's? The over use of the word nazi has got to the point that it means nothing but 'person I disagree with'. These aren't TWP or Aryan Brotherhood fucks. They socialise happily with Jews and gays and trans people which makes them really poo poo nazis.
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MysteriousStranger posted:she's a true manafort and assange are you a Markov chain
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Marketing New Brain posted:Because she would be targeting the secrecy part of the proceedings she doesn’t agree with, openly defying it rather than going to jail for defying a court she would apparently testify in if the hearing were public. ah there it it’s, your more interested in hearing whatever thing she has to say and are working backwards towards it. I don’t think she should completely destroy her point to make you happy really
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