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Crabtree posted:Or Violence Jack Fist of the North Star was HUGE back in the day, to the point where even then up in coming artists like Hirohiko Araki imitated Tetsuo Hara, the artist of Hokuto no Ken, style almost down to the same exaggerated musculature and shading in his first 2-3 JoJo arcs. gently caress, you're right, aren't you? Jonathan even has Ken's shoulder pads.
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Fish Noise posted:M.D. Geist That's the one where the supersoldier trained to kill everything decides in the end to just set off the superweapon himself in the end, right? Holy hell did I rent a bunch of this stuff from Blockbuster as a kid...
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I wonder who would win in a fight between Kenshiro and Violence Jack.
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citybeatnik posted:That's the one where the supersoldier trained to kill everything decides in the end to just set off the superweapon himself in the end, right? My memory of that movie is mostly static, because all I can remember is the leading lady character, if you could call her that, was at the time the most obnoxious idiot I'd seen on film. My wife and I went the whole movie just saying "Oh god shut up you idiot" every time she spoke. I'm pretty sure you're right though.
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Crabtree posted:I don't even think normal people could feed someone Kenshiro's size, let alone Devil Reborn. Like there's gotta be some weird mutation where people just get and maintain muscle mass beyond our wildest dreams that also just makes them violent and crazy. Even the fat people are muscular and its even weirder to be fat in a loving sea of sand! I told you they get it from people. Materant posted:gently caress, you're right, aren't you? Jonathan even has Ken's shoulder pads. Part 1 is almost a ripoff of FotNS its so blatant. Took Araki until Part 4 to completely develop his style and switch over to more lean and lithe, olympic swimmer style figures. The current part, jojolion, drops exaggerated muscularity all together. Rigged Death Trap fucked around with this message at 10:02 on Mar 15, 2019 |
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Materant posted:gently caress, you're right, aren't you? Jonathan even has Ken's shoulder pads. I mean, it isn't like Araki eventually made his dudes less crazy buff between Stardust and Diamond is Unbreakable, creating a more lean and personal art style that other artists copied or learned from him. People have chased popular trends or imitated their favorite artists or series styles far worse than him and its just a natural thing in art in general. Hell, Kentaro Miura of Berserk is a fan of both co-creators of Fist of the North Star, Buronson AKA Sho Fumimura AKA Yoshiyuki Okamura(writer and possible artist now?) and Tetsuo Hara(long time artist); and not only has Miura illustrated for one of Buronson's other works Japan --       (the story of a Yakuza, Katsuji Yashima, and a news reporter, Yuka Katsuragi, getting transported to a post apocalyptic future via an earthquake powered by angry Carthaginian ghosts, where rising sea levels have caused the people of Japan to flee their islands and become slaves across the world and Yashima has gotta kill and beat the poo poo out of Europe to follow his dream of a reunited and resettled Japan. And what do you know, they bear a somewhat striking resemblance to Guts and Caska!)   -- Even now, even with Miura's inspiration and style changing over several decades, he still wouldn't skip the chance to do some artwork trade with Tetsuo Hara.  Miura and Buronson also made King of Wolves, but that involved modern day people getting transported back to 13th century Mongolia and disappeared historian fighting for GENGHIS loving KHAN!  Looking at Miura you can also see connections in his line work to Hara and, honestly, both of them can be pretty beautifully detailed bastards with ink.   All three are great works and all three probably have loads of connections between them and who knows how many other works. But even if you can see both hara's softer and deeply shaded fight scenes in Phantom Blood or early Berserk, imitation is not bad so long as they strive to be their own thing - and it isn't like Buronson invented writing or Mad Max himself. It's just fun to like all three and see the dots. 
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I'm gonna assume the larger lads are just radioactive mutations. As for where they get the protein to maintain from, I have no idea 5: Detective Kenshiro/Polsy Recommended supplemental viewing: Kenshiro hates chicken killers, Kenshiro hates hugs Also yeah it's super neat to see how much of an influence Fist of the North Star was, even as it was influenced by The Road Warrior. There's dozens of parodies of things like "You are already dead", and I wouldn't be surprised to see such a reference in 2019. Omobono posted:This game absolutely gets Fist of the North Star. A lot of the sub-stories are a wonderful mixture of Kamurocho insanity and FotNS, staying true to both. For all the game's faults I can see after playing through Yakuza 0, the game has a wonderful amount of character. The FotNS wrapping is fantastic. And Kenshiro is sort of an emotionless brick during the main story, but of course the side stories are goofy. Sometimes he even gets some character from them!
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dscruffy1 posted:For all the game's faults I can see after playing through Yakuza 0, the game has a wonderful amount of character. The FotNS wrapping is fantastic. And Kenshiro is sort of an emotionless brick during the main story, but of course the side stories are goofy. Sometimes he even gets some character from them! For me, a lot of the essence and even appeal of Fist of the North Star is that Kenshiro is one of the lamest characters ever made. He's a totally emotionless brick of a character except when he pulls out the sudden MANLY TEARS or another streak of sadistic murder. And he's such a terrible, badly written character that he loops all the way back around to being incredibly funny and fun to watch. He's so bad he becomes fantastic.
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Weird how most of those bandits look so decidedly unexploded after the battle ends. I guess explosions aren't canon unless they happen in a cutscene.
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Maybe Kenshiro only imagines the bodies exploding when he's fighting them because he can't remember the exact kind of pressure points while beating up a dozen guys. Also I'll have to agree with Night's assessment about Kenshiro. While he could need his own witty retorts instead of standing there farting to make him work a lot better, but then it really wouldn't be Kenshiro. Cooked Auto fucked around with this message at 22:02 on Mar 15, 2019 |
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Cooked Auto posted:Maybe Kenshiro only imagines the bodies exploding when he's fighting them because he can't remember the exact kind of pressure points while beating up a dozen guys. He probably remembers the pressure points just fine, but doesn't want to make a giant mess right after getting out of jail. Alternatively the programmers didn't feel like keeping track of how you exploded mooks once the fight's over and just decided to leave the bodies intact for cutscenes.
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Grizzwold posted:Alternatively the programmers didn't feel like keeping track of how you exploded mooks once the fight's over and just decided to leave the bodies intact for cutscenes. Yeah but that's the boring explanation though.
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Its the paradox of Yakuza games, where you can do some extremely violent poo poo to people with fire, guns and knives, yet "Kazuma Kiryu never murdered anyone" as the thugs got up in and around cutscnes; coming into contact with the ultra violent Fist of the North Star where you will likely have dudes exploding on almost every page somehow. After transporting them to Ken's own 50 Cent Zone, we just assume those exploded corpses just stay there unless otherwise needed. But Kenshrio's has the perfect amount of character that any testosterone overflowing, mountain of muscles 1980s action star had. Absolute Zero. He can have backstory, he can have villains that have motivations and flaws, but at the end of the day what you came to see was a rock solid, uncompromising good guy, screaming like Bruce Lee, turning every loving bad guy ever into chunks of meat and red stains because they are just loving evil and must die. And whether or not the theory that bizarre crimes occurring during the bubble era like black mailing companies through poisoned candy and a general stressful society pressures was a perfect bed for escapism fantasy of post apocolyptia and stoic supermen is true; Japan of the 1980s ate up American media like everyone else in the western economic sphere and you better believe they loved themselves some Schwarzenegger. So why wouldn't Buronson - a pen name he probably got from Charles Bronson of Cowboy, 70s-90s Crime Dramas and the Deathwish series - want to reference poo poo he and Hara thought were badass?    If anything, Lost Paradise takes that character and makes him somewhat cognizant of what he is and the setting he's in, without betraying who that character still is to where he's now a completely self aware action manga hero in and outside of substores. And its loving great. Crabtree fucked around with this message at 03:11 on Mar 16, 2019 |
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Grizzwold posted:He probably remembers the pressure points just fine, but doesn't want to make a giant mess right after getting out of jail. Alternatively the programmers didn't feel like keeping track of how you exploded mooks once the fight's over and just decided to leave the bodies intact for cutscenes. Honestly it'd make more sense to have ALL the bodies be exploded in the cutscenes. I mean, seriously, who doesn't go for that result in game anyway?
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Crabtree posted:Its the paradox of Yakuza games, where you can do some extremely violent poo poo to people with fire, guns and knives, yet "Kazuma Kiryu never murdered anyone" as the thugs got up in and around cutscenes Isn't there one part in one of the games where Kiryu uses someone else as a shield against someone with a machine gun that I see getting used a lot to jokingly disprove that claim?
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Cooked Auto posted:Isn't there one part in one of the games where Kiryu uses someone else as a shield against someone with a machine gun that I see getting used a lot to jokingly disprove that claim? Yes.
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Kiryu has a history of rando people around him being gunned down.
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It’s strange that we just learned a bartering system and now we have currency. I naturally forgot the bartering existed until it came back into the game later on. The casino is a nice feature, although I have never yet tried it in my playing. You don’t have to at any point and there are easier ways to make money. Then if you want any of the unique items available at the chip exchange you can just buy enough chips for them. Of course gambling can be fun too- unfortunately this game lacks the cheat items most other Yakuza games have as far as I know.  Lore- we met the Huge Old Lady briefly in this video. Like Scruffy said, she’s a reference to one episode late in the second arc of the anime’s first season. This gang has an inn trap where they offer travelers poisoned soup and then loot the bodies after they’re dead. Kenshiro is naturally suspicious when the villains won’t eat any soup themselves and also thinks the leader is the ugliest old hag he’s ever seen. It turns out to be a man in drag who then gets imploded like all the series bad guys. This character has since become a meme feature of many video games based on FotNS. Ken’s Rage 2 on the ps3 had a Giant Hag boss, Ken’s Rage 1 featured a whole clan of them who were apparently real women. They join a bad guy’s army in a couple original “dream mode” stories. The Huge Old Lady in this game is also a woman far as we can tell. Her shop is one of three restaurants in Eden. Probably the one I’ve visited the most since it’s close to the parts of Eden where I most frequently lost lots of life. Crossbow counter- press R1 to lock onto an enemy. If it’s a crossbow guy taking aim at you, there will be a prompt (circle button, then quick time event) to catch and fling back his arrow. It’s one of my favorite moves in the game. It may help to practice it by not killing a crossbow guy till last and then waiting until he aims at you. I’ll mention Lore for this famous move once you show it off. So far all Kenshiro’s moves are straight out of the original series except the Hordebreaker. I don’t recall that technique outside this game. Bone crusher, spine breaker, crucifier, shredding clench, splitting splash, fist of penitence, and of course hundred fist rush are all over the original series. achtungnight fucked around with this message at 05:21 on Mar 16, 2019 |
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achtungnight posted:Crossbow counter- press R1 to lock onto an enemy. If it’s a crossbow guy taking aim at you, there will be a prompt (circle button, then quick time event) to catch and fling back his arrow. Hordebreaker I don't recall anywhere in the anime/manga, but the crossbow counter I get eventually. It's not just R1+O, it's also block+O. It's a simple button combo, but it's easy to forget. Luckily the game points it out, and I get it right by the next episode. Turns out taking a few months off from this series makes you bad at the game. I can't wait to see how this affects God Hand, when I get around to it, that has been actual years
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Can you stick with one kill move or is it random?
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Scalding Coffee posted:Can you stick with one kill move or is it random? It depends on how long your combo was before triggering meridian shock, plus some context sensitive moves. A single attack gets the Phantom Pain slap, 4 attacks give either hordebreaker or steel shredding (depending on how many other mooks are close by), 4 attacks followed by the rush continue into the Hyakuretsu Ken. Mooks next to a wall can get hit by crucifying something, there's a lot of unlockable counters, conditionals and shirt-off only supers.
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Cooked Auto posted:Isn't there one part in one of the games where Kiryu uses someone else as a shield against someone with a machine gun that I see getting used a lot to jokingly disprove that claim? Kiryu did not kill that man, the gunner trying to kill Kiryu killed that man. 
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I wonder who was in charge of styling Devil Rebirth's beard? I could believe his hair was sort of just left to do whatever, but his beard was far too neat.
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Mar 16, 2019 13:31
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In the wasteland, hair stylists are protected citizens. No one dares hurt them lest their hair lose its amazingness. 
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More curious at just how many pants had to be sacrificed to clothe him.
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That also begs the question of where Ken gets his constant influx of new jackets. I'm sure there's a Hokuto Sudden And Efficient Tailoring technique that Ken can use to quickly hit his ripped jacket's pressure points and put it back together, too.
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Night10194 posted:That also begs the question of where Ken gets his constant influx of new jackets. They aren't actually jackets, but a special kind of outer shell that Kenshiro regrows from sheer force of will.
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This game also definitely has the "problem" that the other yakuza games have where if you're watching someone play it and don't have access to it yourself, you want all the episodes right now
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dscruffy1 posted:I'm gonna assume the larger lads are just radioactive mutations. As for where they get the protein to maintain from, I have no idea They're Super Mutants who got hit with a stabler form of the FEV.
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Today I remember how to do the crossbow counter, and we see some dudes get a bolt to the noggin. 6: One Man Army/Polsy Recommended supplemental viewing: The deadly art, Pole dancing berryjon posted:In the wasteland, hair stylists are protected citizens. No one dares hurt them lest their hair lose its amazingness. They do ask at the gates if you have any special skills. I assume hairstyling counts. Those mohawks do not simply spring up. Scalding Coffee posted:Can you stick with one kill move or is it random? Omobono posted:It depends on how long your combo was before triggering meridian shock, plus some context sensitive moves. A single attack gets the Phantom Pain slap, 4 attacks give either hordebreaker or steel shredding (depending on how many other mooks are close by), 4 attacks followed by the rush continue into the Hyakuretsu Ken. There's also a button you can hold to force steel shredding regardless of who is around, but I don't recall what it is. I'm sure it'll come back to me eventually. Stone mountain splitting slash tends to happen a fair bit since it's commonly used against GIANT enemies. Who we will see in this episode!
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I'm happy that Mr. Shakedown survived the apocalypse, though do they ever say where the series takes place? (Also I still feel like there should be a very small chance every time you do a kill move that one of them just goes "Nope gently caress this gently caress you gently caress this plan I'm out", or at least recoil in horror for a bit a la sleeping dogs)
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Nalesh posted:I'm happy that Mr. Shakedown survived the apocalypse, though do they ever say where the series takes place? Once you've reached the last few enemies, maybe one or two left, doing a kill move on an enemy will actually leave one recoiling in horror and wide open to a strike chance. I believe it only applies to regular sized mooks, though.
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Reminder that no amount of cowering or prostration will save you from Ken once you're on his poo poo list.
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Kenshiro likes watching people beg before they die. He is a sadistic murderer, just his preferred targets are other rear end in a top hat musclemen, so he's a hero instead.
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Materant posted:Reminder that no amount of cowering or prostration will save you from Ken once you're on his poo poo list. He does give people a chance to surrender before the carnage starts, and enemies that show some amount of humanity beforehand do get spared, although to the best of my knowledge this happened the grand total of one time. Shin's betrayal hardened Ken a lot. He was Ken's best friend and what we see of Ken in flashbacks show a much milder man; milder being a relative term, mind you, he's still an Hokuto practitioner. The lyrics of Ai wo Torimodose (aka YOU wa SHOCK) do point to this: In order to protect our love, you've gone on a journey, and lost sight of tomorrow. I don't want to see a face that has forgotten how to smile, so bring back our love.
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Kenshiro once had the following exchange with a mook- Mook- "Spare me! Please!" Ken- "Have you ever spared anyone begging you for mercy?" Mook- "Um..." Ken- "ATATATATATTA…." Lore- Destiny and the Stars of Destiny are a big theme in Fist of the North Star. The stars govern your destiny, and you cannot run away from it. Shew, a Nanto Master in the first season's third arc, for example, is ruled by the Star of Benevolence. His destiny is to stand up for the weak and aid them when he can, sometimes in spectacular ways. He defeated the adolescent Kenshiro in a tournament that was supposed to be to the death, but then spared him because he saw his potential. To keep another Nanto Master who was a lot more ruthless from killing Kenshiro anyway, Shew gouged out his own eyes and remained blind from then until his death. Later, he and Kenshiro would team up to take down that same Nanto Master (more on him later). Shin, on the other hand, is governed by the Star of Martyrdom. He will live for and achieve his ambition, but then he will die for it. This is pretty much what happens to him in the original series. I must correct you on some of the Destiny Talismans characters. Raiga & Fuga did not appear in Southern Cross. They showed up an arc later, midway through the second major arc of the anime's first season. They were twin giants who guarded the gates of Cassandra, a legendary prison for martial artists that none had ever escaped. Until Ken came to break out someone, that is. Ken defeated the guards easily, and they opened the gates for him. Notably, Raiga & Fuga are named after Raijin & Fujin, the famous Japanese gods of thunder and wind. I don't blame you for not bothering much with Destiny Talismans. I got through the game without them. A lot of them are just extra damage, experience, or IDL. I'll still mention the characters behind them for fun. Yuria's Talisman you discussed in the video- but her Lore entry will come another day. Shin (whose Talisman raises the Burst Gauge from regular attacks while its effect lasts, normally it's just raised from secret techniques) and Devil Rebirth (increases defense) I've already discussed. We get a lot more, some from characters who appear in the game and like the video said, some who do not. These are the DLC Talismans- Rihaku, Shuren, Huey, Juza, & Fudo- These guys are all martial arts masters from the fourth arc of the first anime season. I'll talk more about them later, they are pretty important. Rihaku's Talisman has an effect I can't yet discuss. Shuren's engulfs your fists in fire (extra damage). Huey makes your attacks blind enemies (some of Kenshiro's attacks naturally do this). With Juza, you get a heavy defense boost but can't use secret techniques while he's active. Fudo makes you invincible and gives an attack boost, but removes your ability to run. Kokuoh- This Attack Boost talisman is named after a giant horse that Ken rides near the climax of the anime's first series. Before that... well, I'll discuss Kokuoh and his original rider another time. Juda- This guy is an interesting case. He's a Nanto Master who appeared as the concluding villain of the second arc in the first season. Juda was one of those anime villains who puts on excessive eyeshadow and hairspray, then sings his own praises about how beautiful and elegant he is. He then proceeds to kidnap and enslave women, diss his rivals, and so forth. Kenshiro and a character I'll talk about later team up to defeat him. Juda's Talisman causes your attack & defense to either increase or decrease randomly. I really don't recommend it. Shew- Also spelled Shu. I mentioned this guy above. His Talisman keeps you alive if you take lethal damage, as long as it lasts. Sometimes useful. Amiba- This Talisman is related to a villain I'll mention later. You can mimic enemy techniques with it and strike enemies for heavy damage. Ryuga- He was an antagonist in the climax of the third arc of the first anime series. Ryuga damaged his own body, then he committed some atrocities and challenged Kenshiro to come stop him. Kenshiro defeated him, whereupon Ryuga revealed it was all a test to take the measure of the man his sister Yuria loved. Weird guy. His Talisman ups your attack, but your life gradually decreases. Fang Clan- This was a nasty gang of furries led by a giant wrestler who Kenshiro fought in the second arc of the first anime series. Their Talisman grants immunity from damage and knock down while active. Jackal- I mentioned this guy when I talked about Devil Rebirth. His Talisman causes dynamite to rain down in the area and damage foes. Spade, Diamond, Club, Heart- These were all henchmen of Shin I mentioned in his Lore entry. Their Talismans give extra experience when used (random amount). Raiga & Fuga- mentioned above, boost attack & defense. Huge Old Lady- mentioned her before, can't yet discuss her Talisman's effect. Young Yuria- this talisman allows Ken to strike enemy channeling points without putting enemies in shock state first. It's handy. I'll discuss Yuria more at a later time. I'll mention others as we pick them up. Two- Finger Interception Technique- This is the anti-crossbow arrow-catching mechanic. Kenshiro uses it often in the anime and the manga. The first time comes when Shin's henchman Spade points a crossbow at him. Kenshiro- "Aim carefully. Miss and I'll take your left eye." Spade blinks, then fires, with predictable results. Kenshiro catches the bolt, throws it back, and now Spade needs an eyepatch. The technique is often used for more lethal results after this. It gets to the point where people warn others not to use a crossbow against Kenshiro or any Hokuto Shinken master. Thanks to the interception technique, it will do no good. The Army of Ruin, Kyo-oh, and Targa- These guys are the original story enemies for the game. They do not appear in the Fist of the North Star anime or manga. Personally, I think Jagre should be glad Kenshiro was around to help drive them off. Can't say much more about them now. Targa reminds me of a Matrix Agent in his attack methods. I kinda always wondered how Kenshiro would fare against one of those guys. Guess this game answered it. 
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