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LGD posted:tbf that's one more example than you've provided So you’re aware of why what you’re talking about doesn’t compare to the hypothetical. when two countries with big missile stockpiles go to war I’ll call you.
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Wheeee posted:the current rate of scientific advancement in most fields is accelerating, we are on the cusp of major revolutions in multiple fields. Yea rockets and airplanes are pretty well figured out now, but biotech is just ramping up and machine learning and general AI are advancing extremely quickly feels like ive been hearing this for 15 years
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new and better ways to kill people is one area of technology you should never doubt america can and will improve on
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The Ol Spicy Keychain posted:feels like ive been hearing this for 15 years 
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The Ol Spicy Keychain posted:feels like ive been hearing this for 15 years There have been a lot of advancements in that time though? Like just look at smartphones idk.
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The Ol Spicy Keychain posted:feels like ive been hearing this for 15 years there have been, uh, i think the scientific term is a butt-poo poo-ton? — a butt-poo poo-ton of revolutionary advancements over the past 15 years, so, uh oh of course I've been beaten
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this is to say nothing of our newfound ability to magic Gigs out of the ether, for the economy !!!
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WW3 is a nuclear war. No one wins.
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Grapplejack posted:WW3 is a nuclear war. No one wins. actually i think you'll find the dead win extremely hard
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skeleton empire gonna rise from the ashes and it owns
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Cerebral Bore posted:skeleton empire gonna rise from the ashes and it owns we're gonna repeat the history of capital and empire, but with skeletons 
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Assuming nukes aren't used, Russia doesn't have the industrial capacity to keep up with the US. The US could just trade losses until Russia's military is depleted. China has the industrial capacity to match the US, but it doesn't have the tech yet to match the US in losses, so it would lose too. If nukes are allowed then China simply doesn't have enough nukes to destroy the US, while the US has more than enough to destroy all of China. Russia has enough nukes to destroy the US though.
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Pener Kropoopkin posted:So you’re aware of why what you’re talking about doesn’t compare to the hypothetical. when two countries with big missile stockpiles go to war I’ll call you. of course, but we're all extrapolating from limited and incomplete data - and the historic data for older and less accurate missiles points to them not being particularly effective at shutting down airbases, and the newest example involves a fairly large deployment of much more accurate missiles and the results there suggest that there is at least a very strong possibility that they will fail to utterly devastate a prepared enemy and actually render aircraft and airbases useless a bald assertion that this just ain't so and Chinese/Russian missiles with warheads/theoretical accuracy that is very similar to a Tomahawk will be hugely more effective through sheer volume of fire isn't particularly persuasive to me (because 59 Tomahawk missiles is actually quite a few [>1% of the US stockpile] and resulted in disruption to operations measured in hours - obviously the forewarning makes a big difference, but a real no-poo poo war would involve degraded intelligence/targeting information for any adversary and the US has more than a handful of airbases available to it) LGD has issued a correction as of 01:46 on Mar 12, 2019 |
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Does it count as winning for the USA if it's our killbots that end up going skynet and purging the earth of all human life?
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420 Gank Mid posted:Does it count as winning for the USA if it's our killbots that end up going skynet and purging the earth of all human life? Yes.
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the usa will lose because it sucks and is bad
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420 Gank Mid posted:Does it count as winning for the USA if it's our killbots that end up going skynet and purging the earth of all human life? imo it depends on the killbots' reasoning - i.e. if its a classic AI rebellion against its putative masters scenario then no, but if its Universal Paperclips-type thing where the AI is just trying to achieve its original goal of Making America Great Again and the most optimal way to do that involves Killing All Humans then yes
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twoday posted:World War 3 will be rough but World War 4 is the real bad one, and then it's gonna be bronze-age weapons in World War 5 Civilization 2's bold predictions will become correct when a phalanx man defeats a tank in combat.
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Ayn Randi posted:twilight struggle 2 when there's labyrinth: the war on terror but it sucks
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StashAugustine posted:there's labyrinth: the war on terror but it sucks i want an event deck full of TRUMP edit: 
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imagine being the guy doing the full deck writeup at the back of the rulebook that explains the historical context of all the cards
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^^^ i saw Ayn Randi made the last post and i laughed and wanted to compliment u on ur snqkkl posted:Assuming nukes aren't used, Russia doesn't have the industrial capacity to keep up with the US. The US could just trade losses until Russia's military is depleted. China has the industrial capacity to match the US, but it doesn't have the tech yet to match the US in losses, so it would lose too. hold that thought while i design increasingly expensive and complex machines of war and then destroy the industrial tooling necessary to build more of them because ???????? also in what world is capacity for war exactly & exclusively synonymous with capacity for industry you can make exactly the same loss-trading argument but about warm bodies and for the other side(s)
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i mean GOD haven't you ever played a pdx mapgame????
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Ayn Randi posted:imagine being the guy doing the full deck writeup at the back of the rulebook that explains the historical context of all the cards I seriously thought about twilight struggle 2 before, basically US starts controlling everything and China has to take the map Cards: belt and road: China places 4 influence anywhere in Middle-East, Africa, Asia Trump tweet: USA lose 2 influence anywhere, gains 1VP Maduro: US loses all influence in Venezuela, China gains 2 influence The "Russia Card": 4 ops, every time a player uses it goes to other player "Syrian War": like Korean War in original but for syria Typo has issued a correction as of 05:15 on Mar 12, 2019 |
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can't wait for gmt games mr. president starring trpmp
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isn't one of the conceits of the US airforce that it doesn't matter if Russia or China can bomb their airbases because that would start a nuclear war
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whoa whoa whoa military technology spending has diminishing returns??? i am not advocating for the draft at all but imagine these countries engaging the US in a land war and totally destroying the US (esp on our soil) because they have no problem allocating bodies really tickles me Relin has issued a correction as of 05:38 on Mar 12, 2019 |
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juche avocado posted:this is to say nothing of our newfound ability to magic Gigs out of the ether, for the economy the gig military
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Pener Kropoopkin posted:https://www.businessinsider.com/the-us-apparently-gets-its-rear end-handed-to-it-in-war-games-2019-3 this is the only time i've ever seen the f35 defended outside of some tom clancey military wank
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Uncle Wemus posted:this is the only time i've ever seen the f35 defended outside of some tom clancey military wank Other stupid military simulation war games have concluded that the f 35 is actually very good
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The Ol Spicy Keychain posted:feels like ive been hearing this for 15 years we have it is just that going from farm to city, no car to car is a lot bigger jump than the creation of the internet it doesn't help that computerization and its benefits have largely accrued to the top .1% and no one else has really seen the material benefit. computerization is also largely wasted on a market economy turn off the TV posted:Other stupid military simulation war games have concluded that the f 35 is actually very good all of these simulations have red team wiping out command and control and satellite communications in the first hours of conflict and then the F-35 magically ends up kicking rear end still hahah
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the last 15 years have seen absolutely jawdropping developments in technologies for the rich to extract wealth, have you SEEN the stock market number??
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turn off the TV posted:Other stupid military simulation war games have concluded that the f 35 is actually very good lockheed martin internal testing also shows that the f35 is extremely good & cool, and is underpriced if anything
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I’m gonna gently caress a molerat.
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I’m glad we’re gonna lose OP
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aren't us wargame simulations always fixed to ensure us victory and they just claim do-overs every time that doesnt happen as expected? like i remember the same thing happening before the iraq war(?) where on the first day the red commander of non-specific-middle-eastern-country invalidated the super technological surveillance tools by using motorcycle couriers and lights and flare signalling then scouted the blue fleet with fishing boats and sank the lot of them with an all-in alpha strike prompting the blue command to decide they were going to un-sink all those ships and change the rules so they just weren't allowed to do things in their war game simulation that would cause the us to not win, lol
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lol americans cant win a war unless they can outproduce their enemies five to one and get someone else to die in droves
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Wheeee posted:the current rate of scientific advancement in most fields is accelerating, we are on the cusp of major revolutions in multiple fields. Yea rockets and airplanes are pretty well figured out now, but biotech is just ramping up and machine learning and general AI are advancing extremely quickly i mostly agree with you with the caveat that biotech is, indeed, developing rapidly and will probably be the forefront of all kinds of horrors in the next major war. AI/ML on the other hand, has hit huge stumbling blocks, largely around the same bottlenecks that traditional computing hardware has. maybe there'll be some big breakthroughs in quantum computing that'll change things but right now it's a lot of hype with little to show for it.
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HerraS posted:lol americans cant win a war unless they can outproduce their enemies five to one and get someone else to die in droves the us civil war binch
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