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mycomancy
Oct 16, 2016

Regarde Aduck posted:

the son learned a lot from the father though, really took it all to heart you know? Ain't no one sticking him in the basement thats for sure

The son says this as he does the nation-state equivalent of chugging Benadryl (neoliberalism).

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Livo
Dec 31, 2023

gradenko_2000 posted:

I'm reading Harry Yeide's "The Infantry's Armor: The U.S. Army's Separate Tank Battalions in World War II" and what the gently caress was going on with American amphibious assaults?
they landed in Normandy and there were no tanks coming in on the first wave (from "Stopping the Panzers")

For the Normandy landing, the sea was very rough at Omaha since the beach was quite exposed to the elements, so they couldn't really disembark the tanks initially, even if they had been included in the first wave. Utah was much more protected from the elements, so the sea was a lot calmer allowing the tanks to be released as planned. I do agree that doctrinely speaking, having tanks/immediate heavy fire support in the first wave of an amphibious assault is a no brainer, so why it wasn't included in operational planning is beyond me.

Cerebral Bore
Apr 21, 2010


Fun Shoe

Jel Shaker posted:

so the whole soviet “human wave attacks” was projection?

it was the result of a bunch of bitter german generals unable to admit that the soviets completely outplayed them on the operational level over and over again and a bunch of idiot yanks who took their words as gospel

poisonpill
Nov 8, 2009

The only way to get huge fast is to insult a passing witch and hope she curses you with Beast-strength.


aren’t pretty much all wars won by the side that wins “by default”, by just waiting out the other side due to superior morale or letting their broken economy take the out of the race?

anyway that’s why the us is so strongly- *touches earpiece*’-hold on a moment

DJJIB-DJDCT
Feb 1, 2024

Livo posted:

For the Normandy landing, the sea was very rough at Omaha since the beach was quite exposed to the elements, so they couldn't really disembark the tanks initially, even if they had been included in the first wave. Utah was much more protected from the elements, so the sea was a lot calmer allowing the tanks to be released as planned. I do agree that doctrinely speaking, having tanks/immediate heavy fire support in the first wave of an amphibious assault is a no brainer, so why it wasn't included in operational planning is beyond me.

It was included in operational planning, it just took years for enough LCTs and LSTs to be built and readied for Normandy.

The other thing is, the Dieppe raid showed what a disaster it was for tanks to be stuck on the beach without engineering support that would allow them to get inland, so landing infantry and engineers first to clear beach exits was considered very important to the tanks actually succeeding, and their wrecks not creating and impossible traffic jam that would make the day's schedule impossible.

The other thing is, I'm sure Gradenko could speak on it more, at Gela, Salerno and Anzio, the Americans were almost thrown back into the sea by armoured counterattacks by the American nemesis - the HG Division. Landing tanks would not necessarily have helped without those engineers, but landing the field artillery and anti-tank guns did, they engaged the panzers while dug into the beach, so maybe that was part of the rationale?

Danann
Aug 4, 2013

https://twitter.com/mercoglianos/status/1784780528572322262

Operation Prosperity Guardian would make for a funny CMANO scenario ngl.

Z the IVth
Jan 28, 2009

The trouble with your "expendable machines"
Fun Shoe

Danann posted:

https://twitter.com/mercoglianos/status/1784780528572322262

Operation Prosperity Guardian would make for a funny CMANO scenario ngl.

There's going to be so much screeching of IMBA when you crack open the inventories of both sides and realise you don't have nearly enough interceptors to shoot down Yemeni missiles and you can't sink Yemen either.

Cerebral Bore
Apr 21, 2010


Fun Shoe
they never said whose prosperity they would be guarding

Trabisnikof
Dec 24, 2005

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5t3-eXHC5Zs

zetamind2000
Nov 6, 2007

I'm an alien.

mycomancy posted:

The son says this as he does the nation-state equivalent of chugging Benadryl (neoliberalism).

does that make trump the hat man

Danann
Aug 4, 2013

https://twitter.com/fab_hinz/status/1785031044120326325

axis of resistance be drone-pilled and tunnel-maxxing

PawParole
Nov 16, 2019

Danann posted:

https://twitter.com/mercoglianos/status/1784780528572322262

Operation Prosperity Guardian would make for a funny CMANO scenario ngl.

do you think Russian ships enjoy the extra space? Or do they feel lonely?

Cerebral Bore
Apr 21, 2010


Fun Shoe

Danann posted:

https://twitter.com/fab_hinz/status/1785031044120326325

axis of resistance be drone-pilled and tunnel-maxxing

love to see the increasing cultural exchange between yemen and palestine

Cao Ni Ma
May 25, 2010



Danann posted:

Operation Prosperity Guardian would make for a funny CMANO scenario ngl.

Russian prosperity has been guarded

Ardennes
May 12, 2002
Yeah, those container ships have probably less than a month than good weather as well.

Orange Devil
Oct 1, 2010

Wullie's reign cannae smother the flames o' equality!

Danann posted:

https://twitter.com/mercoglianos/status/1784780528572322262

Operation Prosperity Guardian would make for a funny CMANO scenario ngl.

Strong proof that Biden is a Russian asset imo.

double nine
Aug 8, 2013

Danann posted:

https://twitter.com/fab_hinz/status/1785031044120326325

axis of resistance be drone-pilled and tunnel-maxxing

they're gonna tunnel to gaza for a surprise attack in the world's biggest tunnel ever built

NoNotTheMindProbe
Aug 9, 2010
pony porn was here

Poland had these in WW2

JAY ZERO SUM GAME
Oct 18, 2005

Walter.
I know you know how to do this.
Get up.


peppy little soundtrack there

Halser
Aug 24, 2016

Danann posted:

https://twitter.com/fab_hinz/status/1785031044120326325

axis of resistance be drone-pilled and tunnel-maxxing

so we're heading towards the Arx Fatalis future

fine by me

Good Soldier Svejk
Jul 5, 2010

zetamind2000 posted:

does that make trump the hat man

mawarannahr
May 21, 2019


Zeppelin Insanity
Oct 28, 2009

Wahnsinn
Einfach
Wahnsinn

NoNotTheMindProbe posted:

Poland had these in WW2

The people DARPA yearn for tankettes.

Justin Tyme
Feb 22, 2011


NoNotTheMindProbe posted:

Poland had these in WW2

Not true. If Poland had these in ww2 they could have sent a few hundred more tank crews to the UK to fight in the army in exile

Zeppelin Insanity
Oct 28, 2009

Wahnsinn
Einfach
Wahnsinn
Since we're tangentially on the subject:

I think a very, very good argument could be made that Nazis could have been stopped in Poland if the Soviets were allowed to fight them instead of being repeatedly told to gently caress off.

We've discussed Czechoslovakia already, that probably would have been a bigger factor. But let's say Czechoslovakia still went ahead as historically.

Germans actually had significant issues against the Poles. Victory against just Poland was pretty inevitable, of course, but it wasn't easy. Contrary to what one might assume, Poland actually had some really great gear entering mass production... entering is the problem. Only small numbers had been manufactured by that point, and the army in general had a mishmash of equipment inherited\looted from different nations after WW1. They were also in the process of adopting more modern fighters, having purchased some Hurricanes that had not been delivered yet by September. Those would have been a pretty big upgrade from the P11, which had an open cockpit and fixed landing gear.

The actual fighting involved around 2 million German troops and 1 million Poles. The 1 million Soviets that Stalin offered would inevitably have made a huge difference, and certainly at least bought time for more weapons to be manufactured.

This, in turn, may have actually encouraged the UK and France to do, well, anything.

Basically, Poland could very well have been on the winning side of a war won by 1940 or 1941 if they weren't so enamored with Nazis.

DJJIB-DJDCT
Feb 1, 2024

Poland's interwar belligerence towards the USSR was only equalled by their belligerence towards everyone else. Where the Western Allies were concerned, by pissing off France by repeatedly knocking off equipment licensed or exported to them, so that France cancelled aircraft and tank contracts that would have provided modern equipment to Poland. Poland also did not offer support to France in defence of the Czechs, made overtures towards the Germans, and Poland was hostile to Romania until the moment the Polish government collapsed and they had to flee to be interred in Romania, then conveyed to France to form and army and government in exile. Because remember, Romania was part of the Little Entente also, and had considered coming to France and Poland's aid over Czechoslovakia, and then over Poland, only to be waved off by Poland being... Poland.

I'll reframe it, if you were a diplomat in the late 30's, would you put your trust in Poland? Poland, which the Italians and French considered far more likely than the Soviets to invade the Baltic states, and which ended up invading the Czechs in 1938?

Speleothing
May 6, 2008

Spare batteries are pretty key.

Kinda jamming to this silly music tho

The Oldest Man
Jul 28, 2003

[running excitedly into the room] you guys we invented a jagdpanther with even more potential for mechanical failure, come quick

Nothus
Feb 22, 2001

Buglord
Does that thing cost more or less than the RPG-7 round that will gently caress it up?

mawarannahr
May 21, 2019

Zeppelin Insanity posted:

The people DARPA yearn for tankettes.
is that a tank that's a girl?

Owlbear Camus
Jan 3, 2013

Maybe this guy that flies is just sort of passing through, you know?



Nothus posted:

Does that thing cost more or less than the RPG-7 round that will gently caress it up?

depends on where you're sourcing the rpg7 from

DJJIB-DJDCT
Feb 1, 2024

The Precision Shoulder-fired Rocket Launcher-1 also known as the (PSRL-1) is a modified American copy of the Soviet/Russian RPG-7 shoulder-fired rocket-propelled grenade launcher developed by AirTronic USA. The PSRL-1 is primarily manufactured for US-allied nations who are accustomed to Soviet-style weapons and international export.

Justin Tyme
Feb 22, 2011


DJJIB-DJDCT posted:

The Precision Shoulder-fired Rocket Launcher-1 also known as the (PSRL-1) is a modified American copy of the Soviet/Russian RPG-7 shoulder-fired rocket-propelled grenade launcher developed by AirTronic USA. The PSRL-1 is primarily manufactured for US-allied nations who are accustomed to Soviet-style weapons and international export.



The soviets already had a magnified sight for the rpg and there's probably $50 rail adapters out there you could bolt a thermal sight to. They're just using cots pulsar scopes without custom reticles, talk about a grift!

Lmfao it even weighs as much as a bog standard rpg7!

Slavvy
Dec 11, 2012

DJJIB-DJDCT posted:

The Precision Shoulder-fired Rocket Launcher-1 also known as the (PSRL-1) is a modified American copy of the Soviet/Russian RPG-7 shoulder-fired rocket-propelled grenade launcher developed by AirTronic USA. The PSRL-1 is primarily manufactured for US-allied nations who are accustomed to Soviet-style weapons and international export.



Lmao it's a tactilol rpg7

The Oldest Man
Jul 28, 2003

need a high speed multi-sight with ghost ring so i can use my rpg-7 for room clearing

Zeppelin Insanity
Oct 28, 2009

Wahnsinn
Einfach
Wahnsinn

DJJIB-DJDCT posted:

Poland's interwar belligerence towards the USSR was only equalled by their belligerence towards everyone else. Where the Western Allies were concerned, by pissing off France by repeatedly knocking off equipment licensed or exported to them, so that France cancelled aircraft and tank contracts that would have provided modern equipment to Poland. Poland also did not offer support to France in defence of the Czechs, made overtures towards the Germans, and Poland was hostile to Romania until the moment the Polish government collapsed and they had to flee to be interred in Romania, then conveyed to France to form and army and government in exile. Because remember, Romania was part of the Little Entente also, and had considered coming to France and Poland's aid over Czechoslovakia, and then over Poland, only to be waved off by Poland being... Poland.

I'll reframe it, if you were a diplomat in the late 30's, would you put your trust in Poland? Poland, which the Italians and French considered far more likely than the Soviets to invade the Baltic states, and which ended up invading the Czechs in 1938?

Oops, turns out Fascism is not a good choice for a country's long-term prospects.

I'm sure if we keep trying it is bound to work eventually though!

Nothus
Feb 22, 2001

Buglord

DJJIB-DJDCT posted:

The Precision Shoulder-fired Rocket Launcher-1 also known as the (PSRL-1) is a modified American copy of the Soviet/Russian RPG-7 shoulder-fired rocket-propelled grenade launcher developed by AirTronic USA. The PSRL-1 is primarily manufactured for US-allied nations who are accustomed to Soviet-style weapons and international export.



Production capability: 1,000 per month (with notice)

At least it comes in three colors and has a 1 year limited warranty

Cerebral Bore
Apr 21, 2010


Fun Shoe
lol drat thing looks like a goddamn toy

Cerebral Bore
Apr 21, 2010


Fun Shoe
whipping out my high speed low drag operator rpg and firing a big chunky nerf dart at the enemy

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atelier morgan
Mar 11, 2003

super-scientific, ultra-gay

Lipstick Apathy

DJJIB-DJDCT posted:

The Precision Shoulder-fired Rocket Launcher-1 also known as the (PSRL-1) is a modified American copy of the Soviet/Russian RPG-7 shoulder-fired rocket-propelled grenade launcher developed by AirTronic USA. The PSRL-1 is primarily manufactured for US-allied nations who are accustomed to Soviet-style weapons and international export.



my favorite part of this particular grift project is they aren't even manufacturing tandem charge warheads for it

CIA cut-outs gonna have to buy al-yassin 105s from hamas to outfit SOCOM with high-speed low-drag rpgs

atelier morgan has issued a correction as of 22:14 on Apr 30, 2024

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