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sullat
Jan 9, 2012



One of those things is not like the others (fully functional ships)

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sullat
Jan 9, 2012

HonorableTB posted:

A 10 carrier effective navy is only 1 fewer than the number of carriers in the rest of the world's navies combined lol, that's insane.

US has 11 (10, effective)

China: 2
Italy: 2
UK: 2
Thailand: 1
Spain: 1
India: 1
Russia: 1
France: 1

Saying that China and the UK have 2 effective carriers is like saying that Biden has 2 functioning neurons. I mean, it's technically true, but...

sullat
Jan 9, 2012

I'm glad that both his daughter's husband and his daughter's boyfriend are serving. o7.

sullat
Jan 9, 2012

BoldFace posted:

By "fixed" they mean painted over, right?

I'm sure they'll have a proprietary substance that will be applied to the plane every few weeks that will keep it rust free (also as long as it isn't exposed to aerobic environments).

sullat
Jan 9, 2012

A Buttery Pastry posted:

Alternatively, if he's extra stupid, just an East Prussian.

Or his family was given large grants of land in the Ukraine back in '43 but he hasn't been able to go there because of the perfidious Russians.

sullat
Jan 9, 2012

Ardennes posted:

Admittedly, they could have ended up as the Yugoslavia of SE Asia, socialist but neutral. (Guess why there was almost zero chance of that happening?)

IIRC Ho Chih Minh offered the US a big ol' naval base in Cam Ranh Bay too. I guess in 1946 they didn't think they'd need it.

sullat
Jan 9, 2012

StashAugustine posted:

Bolivar probably needs an honorable mention in here afaik

San Martin was the better general.

Frosted Flake posted:

When you put it like that, oof. It makes me kind of feel bad for the MPs who spent their lives promoting that idea, I guess that means they were naive idealists, because you’re right - a Greater Britain would not be directing everything to London, so why would they ever allow it, even to save the Empire? It makes British decolonization make sense too, because for them what was the point after India was lost? I have to say it even makes how Partition went down seem out of spite instead of everyone doing their best in a bad situation.

What a colossal waste. Just the whole thing, when nobody ever believed in anything with all of that power and responsibility. I guess I always thought if they had more people like Elgin and Curzon things could have been different, but it seems like they served the role Obama making nice speeches did - window dressing for rapacious capital accumulation.

Reminds me of Patrick Cleburne, the Irish confederate general. In like 1864 or so, he was like "Hey, we're all about state's rights and liberty, so why don't we free the slaves so they'll fight for our independence against the hated Yankees?" and so he was laughed out of the room (and put in the front lines at Franklin and got shot).

sullat
Jan 9, 2012

Ardennes posted:

The big beef of the American colonies wasn’t really not having parliamentary seats but having to pay taxes to London, period. If London has negotiated directly with the colonial elite a set of circumstances that would maximize their fiscal gain without violence, they probably would have taken it.

Hell, Parliament was willing to cut the colonial elite a mutually favorable deal in 1776 but Lord Howe and George III were being tremendous douchebags about the whole thing.

sullat
Jan 9, 2012

Nix Panicus posted:

As touched on earlier, the US didn't leave over lack of representation, it left over paying anything ever. The British had just fought a very expensive war on behalf of American colonists (The French and Indian War started over land claims in the Ohio Valley and then expanded into the Seven Year's War - the first European World War) and wanted to levy a few mostly reasonable taxes to pay for it.

I know a lot of people think that America is the center of world history, but IIRC the European theater of the Seven Year's war was mostly because Prussia decided to start swinging its dick around.

sullat
Jan 9, 2012
drat, they need to bust out the holystones and the lash. That deck is disgraceful!

sullat
Jan 9, 2012
I don't think they ever had a problem delivering military supplies in Iraq, sure a bunch of truckers got ambushed (Remember Jessica Lynch, lol?), it's just that a bunch of non-lethal support functions of the military were essentially privatized to contractors and the contractors didn't show up because they couldn't find enough minimum wage workers to cook or do laundry in a war zone. Eventually they resorted to the tried-and-true tactic of lying to people and then taking their passports so they couldn't leave and things got fixed, but for the first few months of the occupation there were stories of American soldiers eating MREs and living in filth while their coalition counterparts were living reasonably well because their support systems were still in-house.

sullat
Jan 9, 2012

Real hurthling! posted:

we told iraq they could invade kuwait after decades of helping them fight iran and then annihilated their whole army immediately cause it was all in the open going to kuwait and we knew everything about it

I know the 80s felt like they lasted forever but it was only 8 years of war.

The real benefit of telling him to go ahead was that he let us build up our army over like 6 months because he didn't really believe we were going to attack him.

sullat has issued a correction as of 03:24 on Mar 13, 2022

sullat
Jan 9, 2012

skooma512 posted:

The Navy has also been skimping on training and running with leaner crew counts, mirroring the private sector.

Turns out a guy who barely get any sleep and were trained with cheap e-learning poo poo can't do his job very well. Oh well, even though the USN hasn't really needed to act like they're at war in decades let's run all those fuckers ragged so the budget can go towards things that get me kickbacks and no-show jobs after retirement :regd08:

If you want a real hoot, look up "Fat Leonard" on what the Navy gets up to sometimes.

sullat
Jan 9, 2012

The Oldest Man posted:

I believe the last air to air kill made by an American pilot was in 1994 wasn't it lol

Nah it was on 9/11

sullat
Jan 9, 2012
Why do our troops even need suppressors? I usually go scope/auto loader/expanded magazine for everyone but snipers and overwatchers.

sullat
Jan 9, 2012
Or the Venuzuelan occupation

sullat
Jan 9, 2012

A Buttery Pastry posted:

the continental system was against britain, which responded with a terror bombing against neutral denmark

not entirely sure how the analogy goes from there

Vengeance for Lindisfarne!

sullat
Jan 9, 2012

Delta-Wye posted:

generation kill had a good dramatization of light infantry outrunning support and they got super lucky the iraqi lines were folding in front of them for the most part. assuming its even remotely close to the book (did not read) and the book was close to reality, the early russian experience in ukraine also didn't feel all that distinct from the US experience in iraq but everyone's losing their goddamn minds.

i haven't watched GK for many years but these poor SOBs dismounted from their tigrs had a similar vibe imho https://twitter.com/ralee85/status/1497824591569252352

Oh yeah I remember that XCOM 2 level, they should've used the fence between the houses as high cover when popping the pod. I'm guessing they'd lost stealth already.

sullat
Jan 9, 2012

Frosted Flake posted:

Defence contractors will do more to destroy the west than Foederati.


The west will never massacre the defense contractors unfortunately.

sullat
Jan 9, 2012
It's only 5% army damage and 5% mineral production but it does imply they're rushing synthetics

sullat
Jan 9, 2012

KomradeX posted:

For the low cost of 9.99 million a month your F-35 can have acess to its IFF system. Sign up for our gold package for bad weather flying capabilities. Dont forget to use your Lockpoints to unlock the lastest strike packages for your next mission

Ah nuts the pilot spent all the lockpoints on new skins for the plane, we'll have to grind some missions in Iraq 3 for a little while before we can get the upgrades.

sullat
Jan 9, 2012

Cuttlefush posted:

dumb fire yeeted at a 45 degree angle from a guy strapped to the wing of an opposing jet. that might be mathematically possible.

Wow, rude way to refer to Silent

sullat
Jan 9, 2012

WrightOfWay posted:

Sounds like it's time to spend more money on defense thinktanks.

sullat
Jan 9, 2012

Best Friends posted:

lasers are the weapons of the future, and always will be

Gauss rifle rush is usually the better strategy

sullat
Jan 9, 2012

Isentropy posted:

Some of the best books are written by spooks. Edward Luttwaks Coup D'état, written about 1969, describes several key characteristics of how the CIA thinks about how a country can be overthrown and correctly identified Portugal as a country that would be easy to be overthrown.

Although their president* at the time was in a worse off state than Biden.

Yeah sometimes some wild stuff gets past the censors. I read one book by an ex-CIA spook where he casually tells an anecdote about how he tried to assassinate Laurent Kabila on behalf of Mobutu in like, 1970 or something.

sullat
Jan 9, 2012

AgentF posted:

What's the problem if the Soviets waltz in? Berlin is far into East German territory and isn't the administrative centre of West Germany in any way. Why is it so important to try holding on to it?

It's worth like 5 VP and Bonn is only worth 3 VP.

sullat
Jan 9, 2012

atelier morgan posted:

tbf keeping a handful of regiments in the poisonous swamps of french colonial holdings would require many, many regiments worth of soldiers in a constant stream to replace the diseased, which is a constant across all the european colonial holdings in the americas across the whole era and a plays a role in how tf spain lost basically a whole continent's worth of colonies

france was busy getting its soldiers killed in a whole bunch of other ways

Yeah they sent 50000 soldiers to Haiti and well, a few hundred made it back.

sullat
Jan 9, 2012

Frosted Flake posted:

The problem is that France had that attitude towards India, Louisiana, other islands in the Caribbean etc. until they couldn't hold onto the profitable bits.

Britain secured every rock or bit of coastline they could between them and India, even though pretty much none of them were profitable, to keep the jewel in the crown.

That is a good point, although I think the official French plan was that they'd just win all the battles on the continent and then demand the colonies back during the peace conference, which worked well enough against the Netherlands and Spain, but not so much against perfidious Albion.

sullat
Jan 9, 2012

Rutibex posted:

Lol yeah sure nice Tom Clancy novel you got there CSIS

Needs a love interest to be killed off by the ChiCom hordes so that Navy Green Beret SEAL Jack "Manly Man" Johnson who speaks fluent Chinese can avenge her.

sullat
Jan 9, 2012

atelier morgan posted:

there are a lot of incredibly dumb motherfuckers in naval history but that would absolutely take the cake

dumber than the chicken admiral?

sullat
Jan 9, 2012

The Oldest Man posted:

am i dumb or is it obvious that china has enough long range anti-ship missiles that they can defacto blockade taiwan without a navy at all at this point, as long as they're willing to sink civilian shipping to enforce it

I mean it would be like the sub war in the Atlantic; if we have more disposable freighters & crews than they have missiles than the blockade won't work.

sullat
Jan 9, 2012

I guess we now know which side the Biden administration favors in that rivalry

sullat
Jan 9, 2012

Weka posted:

I'm willing to believe trebuchets cause cancer but I'd like to know how.

sullat
Jan 9, 2012

Ardennes posted:

It wasn't the latest variant or they didn't have the right super armor or whatever.

No one wants to admit that the Iraqi tanks in 91 largely didn't even have night vision equipment or ammo that could penetrate a more modern-tank.

IIRC all the US tanks that were destroyed at the big tank battle were knocked out by DU munitions.

sullat
Jan 9, 2012

atelier morgan posted:

i think the us desperately wants a new cold war with all the shiny bits and china could not give less of a poo poo, having correctly assessed that there is basically no similarity in their material circumstances compared to the ussr

their space program is not trying to keep up with the us any more than they are trying to match the us missile arsenal

It makes more sense to pursue the space elevator first for the 50% production bonus because the late stage space race projects are so expensive.

sullat
Jan 9, 2012

Palladium posted:

the consensus among the PRC chinese is the fall of USSR happened because they were too dumb

The PRC convincing the West to move their entire industrial base to China was a pretty slick move, I don't think the Soviets could have pulled it off.

sullat
Jan 9, 2012

Tankbuster posted:

lol that onkel sam just straight up gave the biggest communist party in the world technology just because they were minmaxing a way of defeating the USSR. Given that even more precariously placed states like cuba and VZ recovered from US economic blockades gorby really screwed the pooch.

I think they were minmaxing crushing labor in the US and UK.

sullat
Jan 9, 2012

Smythe posted:

man id forgotten how good that scene was

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RD77nyoEyug

this one? kuz i laughed a lot at this one

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DPmeLibaVwg

this one almost as good and also somewhat ballon-related

sullat
Jan 9, 2012

Trabisnikof posted:

but really the question for the usa would be less about moving the specific military gear itself, but maintaining internal transport capacity in a peer conflict that lasts more than a few weeks. doesnt matter if you boat, truck, or train your tanks from the factory to the port if you dont have the fuel to do it or the electricity to run the factory or the food to feed the workers.

we've already seen the impact of criminals taking down 1 pipeline company for a few days. real sabotage wouldnt go away after we paid the ransom.

we dont have as much flexibility or redundancy in our infrastructure as we might imagine.

Lmao they didn't take down the pipeline they took down the billing system and the company took down the pipeline to prevent people from inadvertently getting free oil.

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sullat
Jan 9, 2012

Slavvy posted:

Definitely enlist in the Chinese space force

Unless they put you in the balloonist corps.

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