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For all the many missteps of this series, I'm at least glad they're giving Alberto Mielgo a platform to shine. That dude really is the mvp of modern animation. If you liked Jibaro/The Witness, check out this other short he did from this year: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i8MQl7vCkMQ
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Yeah, if the series exists solely as an excuse to fund Alberto Mielgo short films, I'd be perfectly fine with that, but luckily there were some other good ones this season. Bad Traveling was great, and anyone who enjoyed it should check out the game Return of the Obra Dinn without reading anything else about it. Swarm had the best low-key existential horror, but a lot of its ideas were done better in the novel Blindsight. The Very Heart Of The Machine did a little bit too much telling over showing but was pretty, at least? Nestharken fucked around with this message at 06:04 on May 25, 2022 |
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May 24, 2022 23:45
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Comstar posted:One of them is an SCP episode which I appreciated though I didn't get the ending why did she need to take her eyes out? There was no hint, build up or thematic reason for it in that was needed?
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May 25, 2022 00:20
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Nestharken posted:Yeah, if the series exists solely as an excuse to fund Alberto Mielgo short films, I'd be perfectly fine with that, but luckily there were some other good ones this season. Obra Dinn spoiler: The captain did it is technically correct.
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May 25, 2022 01:47
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Malaclypse posted:Watching Bad Traveling i was like "hey wait that sure seems like a Prador, is that a fuckin Prador? " and then the credits come up and "based on a story by Neal Asher" Oh Christ was it really? I thought it felt very prador, but it couldn't be on spatterjay, they are all too skinny and not worried about the water, but this is from one of those odd short stories with the weird magic child in the jable shark. I knew I recognized the name somewhere. I guess it's very loosely based, what with the children and magic zombie talking. Certainly seemed dumb enough for a young prador. I didn't particularly like their version of snow in the desert and this was better, but I'd have liked Tiger Tiger, or perhaps any of the other short stories with the Owner. Perhaps the crime thriller one. I think bad traveling is definitely my preferred out of this lot, and jibaro was pretty but I liked their other short (the witness) more. Lot of disappointment overall with the mil ones and the zombie thing, but I guess it's not nude werewolf Iraq at least.
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May 25, 2022 03:48
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Jibaro was very well made and well directed but I kinda have a problem with the ending. The short can have two subtexts, one about a toxic relationship and another about colonialism. Both feel undermined by there being any revenge or justice at the end. Both subtexts would have been better served with an unhappy ending. You should feel angry about rape, you should feel angry about colonialism and tacking on an ending where the bad guy got what he deserved feels like a lie
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May 25, 2022 12:31
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Steve Yun posted:Jibaro was very well made and well directed but I kinda have a problem with the ending. The short can have two subtexts, one about a toxic relationship and another about colonialism. Both feel undermined by there being any revenge or justice at the end. Both subtexts would have been better served with an unhappy ending. You should feel angry about rape, you should feel angry about colonialism and tacking on an ending where the bad guy got what he deserved feels like a lie I don’t want to be “that guy” but a lot of these shorts are created by white men who had at least an upper middle class upbringing and it REALLY shows.
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May 25, 2022 16:45
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punk rebel ecks posted:I don’t want to be “that guy” but a lot of these shorts are created by white men who had at least an upper middle class upbringing and it REALLY shows. I've only watched maybe... four? of these all up, and what you say is interesting. Would you mind going into more detail?
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May 25, 2022 17:38
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Kung Food posted:I got the feeling that she released the beast. Even behind binding runes it could influence their minds, so it's easy to assume its influence would be much stronger when freed. An overarching theme in Lovecraftian horror is that no one survives an encounter with an elder god with their mind intact, and this particular madness manifested in a "Where we are going you don't need eyes to see" kind of way." Subtitles reveal that she's stammering in an alien language while walking into the sunset, so yeah, that was my take as well.
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May 25, 2022 20:24
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mcbexx posted:Subtitles reveal that she's stammering in an alien language while walking into the sunset, so yeah, that was my take as well. My take was that she cut out her own eyes and cut off her own ears to stop the influence of the Cthulhu, and she was successful, because there was still a sky.
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May 26, 2022 14:40
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Something about Jibaro screamed Bollywood to me. I think it was the dance scenes.
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May 26, 2022 14:55
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Steve Yun posted:Jibaro was very well made and well directed but I kinda have a problem with the ending. The short can have two subtexts, one about a toxic relationship and another about colonialism. Both feel undermined by there being any revenge or justice at the end. Both subtexts would have been better served with an unhappy ending. You should feel angry about rape, you should feel angry about colonialism and tacking on an ending where the bad guy got what he deserved feels like a lie I definitely viewed Jibaro through a colonial lens, what with the symbolic rape and pillaging of a treasure-covered river siren. Which made me like Jibaro, more or less, that it seemed to have a thesis. But it's been difficult for me to get into most episodes of this show. There's something joylessly edgy about almost every one. The violence is overwrought and gory, the characters feel either totally flat or like vulgar caricatures. The art style keeps veering into this gamer cutscene style of "photorealist" CG that's really detailed but totally hideous, and the pacing always seems to fast-forward to the grimmest and most nihilistic ending that you can typically guess from the setup. It's just not catering to my taste, I guess. "The Very Pulse of the Machine" was the only one this season that hit the kind of vibe I wanted, not that I think it's incredible or anything. "Zima Blue" is my favorite thing this show has done.
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May 27, 2022 02:02
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My favorite was drowned giant, nothing impressive about the animation but the story is very calm, meditative and 100% rock solid confident and secure about what it wants to say
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Steve Yun posted:My favorite was drowned giant, nothing impressive about the animation but the story is very calm, meditative and 100% rock solid confident and secure about what it wants to say Hey, I thought I was the only person that liked the drowned giant!
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May 27, 2022 08:12
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I liked the naked giant one too, its dick must have been massive.
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May 27, 2022 15:56
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Yeah, I liked the drowned giant one quite a bit as well, just because it's so constrained. No grand revelation, no alien invaders, no world-ending threat. Just "here's a weird thing, look at it being weird. The end, no moral.". It evoked a pleasant sense of mystery and wonder at the world.
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I feel that I'd rank "Good Hunting", the 2D Chinese android sex worker one, very high if it wasn't so misogynistic. Maybe the studio needs a second shot like the studio that did "The Witness". Open Source Idiom posted:I've only watched maybe... four? of these all up, and what you say is interesting. Would you mind going into more detail? Having the series trip up on themes and resolutions of colonialism and genocide is pretty par for the course of the series. Just look at "Mason's Rats" during this same season. It feels like a third of the stories revolve around soldiers (all of whom are white) honorably doing imperialism. The series also has a lot of  moments. The first episode is literally about a woman who uses past trauma of sexual assault as her "ace in the hole" to defeat her previous captors in an underground Pokémon battle arena.
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May 27, 2022 20:15
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I made the terrible mistake of watching season one for the first time as a date night, and it was...uncomfortable. Beyond the representational issues in front of and behind the camera, a lot of these have a real ick factor attached. If they keep going I'll stick with it, since there's not really anything else I'm aware of filling its niche, but it's a show that you absolutely have to watch through a critical lens. The (deeply) problematic elements at least provide easy analytical gristle for the issues they depict/reinforce.
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Perestroika posted:Yeah, I liked the drowned giant one quite a bit as well, just because it's so constrained. No grand revelation, no alien invaders, no world-ending threat. Just "here's a weird thing, look at it being weird. The end, no moral.". It evoked a pleasant sense of mystery and wonder at the world. I did get a moral out of the story, but it’s great because it’s not shoving it in your face humans will eventually lose respect for anything amazing and find ways to capitalize on it or get bored of it altogether And yeah it’s been difficult to rewatch half of these because they’re written by people still in the 2000’s 14 year old edgy white male mindset Steve Yun fucked around with this message at 22:52 on May 27, 2022 |
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May 27, 2022 22:44
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I quite liked Zima Blue, Jibaro, the alien spider one and lucky thirteen, don’t remember anything much from the second season and don’t remember any of the rest. The entire project feels very STEM adolescent overall. I’m not sure I buy “ethnic origin” as a sufficient explanation for this: yes it’s weird and unusual for a modern sci fi project to lack diverse voices, but it’s still unusually homogenous in a way that doesn’t feel so much an author issue as a commissioning editor issue. Up until the 00’s the overwhelming majority of published English language sci fi authors were white guys and they still managed to output an awful lot more diverse and interesting ideas than this. If anything the problem is being excessively video game-y: why is almost every conflict a purely violent one to be solved by the application of sufficient force? And given the title it’s weirdly prudish, like they traded sex and desire more and more for violence and mil sci fi as time went by.
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Steve Yun posted:Jibaro was very well made and well directed but I kinda have a problem with the ending. The short can have two subtexts, one about a toxic relationship and another about colonialism. Both feel undermined by there being any revenge or justice at the end. Both subtexts would have been better served with an unhappy ending. You should feel angry about rape, you should feel angry about colonialism and tacking on an ending where the bad guy got what he deserved feels like a lie Having just watched it again, I think the ending still works when viewed in a context of colonialism. Even as it is, it's still, fundamentally, an unhappy ending. Sure, at the end the last conquistador got killed, but it still left the siren hurt, mutilated, traumatized. And that actually fits with the historical arc of many colonized nations, just on a somewhat longer timescale. Many once-colonized places were able to eject their colonial masters and experience something of a rebirth of an independent national/cultural identity without the colonizers. But even after that, those nations were left with lasting scars and damage that will continue to be felt for the foreseeable future.
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May 28, 2022 20:52
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Maybe Netflix has a clause where there can be 1-2 good episodes a season but the rest have to be ugly cgi garbage that they think young men will like.
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I liked Mason's Rats because he realised that he was being the British. Also Bad Travelling was probably my favourite episode. The Very Pulse of the Machine was the worst. Speaking as someone who loved weird introspective episodes like Zima Blur, Pulse was incredibly boring because it was 90% trekking across one of Jupiter's moons while tripping balls and listening to poetry.
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this may have been discussed but i'd like to ask. did netflix comment on the neutered nudity in s2 and s3? it's very odd to me how they kept the ultraviolence and got rid of nudity. it stands out especially in parts where it wouldn't be that gratuitous or out of place
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Man I wish they would just pull classic sci-fi short stories and just make cool vignettes for twelve seasons I feel like this show must cost pennies compared to other live action shows
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I want them to pull non-classic short stories. I want them to flip open an old issue of Planet Stories or Astounding Science-Fiction and just make some weird non-prestige pulp sci-fi yarns.
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Professor Shark posted:Man I wish they would just pull classic sci-fi short stories and just make cool vignettes for twelve seasons Like I really want a short adaptation of Seth Dickinson's “Testimony Before an Emergency Session of The Naval Cephalopod Command” with Jeff Goldblum as the professor. Have his monologue be in live-action but intercut with CGI of the squid Nemo blowing up Russian submarines.
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Haven't seen the first two seasons but watched this 3rd one on a whim. Pretty fun... but not great short stories. Jibaro was the only really interesting one but I really disliked the frantic editing in a lot of places. The siren design was wonderful, mostly. It's also interesting to me that some people think it had a 'happy ending' when the monster who slaughtered 20+ people in cold blood was the only one left standing. But then I never picked up on them being conquistadors or whatever
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Zzulu posted:Haven't seen the first two seasons but watched this 3rd one on a whim. Pretty fun... but not great short stories. Jibaro was the only really interesting one but I really disliked the frantic editing in a lot of places. The siren design was wonderful, mostly. It's also interesting to me that some people think it had a 'happy ending' when the monster who slaughtered 20+ people in cold blood was the only one left standing. But then I never picked up on them being conquistadors or whatever #TeamCortez
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I just thought they were generic knights caught by a siren and the sirens are traditionally pretty much assholes. I had to rewatch to see the conquistador helmet on that one guy
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Steve Yun posted:Didn’t Netflix just shutter their entire animation department? These are made by outside studios but yes.
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They mostly shuttered their kids-focused animation efforts. They still seem to be chasing adult animation what with Arcane and Castlevania and all that, though I still don't think it bodes particularly well for this show.
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Hakkesshu posted:They mostly shuttered their kids-focused animation efforts. They still seem to be chasing adult animation what with Arcane and Castlevania and all that, though I still don't think it bodes particularly well for this show. It would also be considered one of those "expensive vanity projects" that they have committed to no longer catering to, since LDR is David Fincher and Tim Miller's baby, their self-admitted attempt at Heavy Metal.
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More hits this time than last season. Bad traveling was great. Just a fun watch. Same with In Vaulted Halls Entombed even though its plot was overdone. Night of the Mini Dead was creative and Mason's Rats was alright in its message that your weapons are more scary than your enemies. Kill Team Kill is whatever, they always have one throwaway action animation. Three Robots didn't need to come back. Swarm had some idea there but it felt like it needed more character development for us to really care about the swimmers. It's like they tried to dump a ton of exposition and it took away from the impact. Jibaro is the typical art trash they throw into each season that takes forever to tell a boring story. Same with The Very Pulse of the Machine. It's a one two combo punch like Zima Blue/Fish Night or The Drowned Giant/Ice. Not sure why people seem to eat these ones up. I guess it was neat that they used a platform for water shots and sunk a camera down into a decent set (cgi?) but you kinda get in the first thirty seconds that it's about to make people argue if it's about colonization or greed or whatever but with 15 minutes of dancing surrounding the message.
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The message of Mason's Rats is actually "never become the british"
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Relin posted:this may have been discussed but i'd like to ask. did netflix comment on the neutered nudity in s2 and s3? it's very odd to me how they kept the ultraviolence and got rid of nudity. it stands out especially in parts where it wouldn't be that gratuitous or out of place I was curious about that too. Season 1 had lots of sex and nudity and I wondered if there was some pressure to tone it down.
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