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I’m going to predict Connerty ends up working for Axe as a way to seek revenge on Chuck - assuming he’s not in jail for the rest of the series. Axe trying and failing to watch “Citizen Kane” during Season 1 gives away that the man’s going to die alone with his money - I think Wendy at some point will realize she can help Chuck from inside the Axelrod castle. Even if they don’t gently caress, just hearing that Wendy is living with Axe is going to set Chuck off. EugeneJ fucked around with this message at 20:31 on Jun 10, 2019 |
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Am I the only one still rooting for Taylor coming out on top of this. 
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Jun 10, 2019 19:31
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MiddleOne posted:Am I the only one still rooting for Taylor coming out on top of this. Every review I've read says they remain the only moral center, so either they will be corrupted, or stay pure.
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Jun 10, 2019 19:37
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LorneReams posted:Every review I've read says they remain the only moral center, so either they will be corrupted, or stay pure. Taylor was already deeply corrupted by the time they left Axe. Taylor is running on the fumes of they person they used to be, convinced that being the lesser evil compared to Axe makes them good.
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Jun 10, 2019 21:36
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MiddleOne posted:Am I the only one still rooting for Taylor coming out on top of this. Not at all. I have a huge soft spot for Taylor, despite feeling like they've really compromised their morals. I'm pretty invested in seeing Sacker and Taylor (and formerly Connerty) come out in good shape at the end of the series, but I think Taylor's in too deep at this point to get away from the situation without a lot of pain. I'll be shamelessly thrilled if the writers find a way for them to walk away from the Axelrod/Rhoades conflict, though.
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Jun 11, 2019 04:11
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Great episode for the Rhoades men as the sting against Connerty finally paid off. The writing is so good. Chuck thinks he's pitting Ax vs Taylor while Taylor thinks they're watching Ax vs Chuck.
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Jun 11, 2019 04:20
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Holy poo poo Damien Lewis is on Fresh Air and his native accent sounds like Axe doing a mocking British accent
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I thought I had grown tired of the typical Billions bait-and-switch/long con shtick but nope, still entertaining. Great finale. Giamatti was awesome, especially in that scene where he's just ranting in Italian at Jeffcoat. Seems like next season is well set up to be the last, but Showtime will probably just milk it to the point of utter exhaustion like they've done with Homeland.
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Yeah pacing wise next season being the last would make sense, but I won't turn down more of this show if they want to put it out there. I think it bends credulity, even for this show, if Connerty isn't serving jailtime since evidence tampering is a legit crime, plus they have him for participating in a robbery. Now, Axe waving some money around and getting him released or a super reduced sentence in order to use Connerty for his own ends? That I'd get behind, though unless Axe is anticipating being in conflict with Chuck or already is fighting him I don't know how much value Connerty would really have to him now that he's for sure run out of the DA's office. I'd also really like it if Kate, working just as a legit good prosecutor with no massive personal grudges clouding her judgment and staying mostly within the lines with just a little bit of that good season 1 Chuck morally grey tactics, builds a strong case against Axe the right way while Axe is distracted by Taylor and Chuck, and just kind of blindsides him. That feels like a natural culmination of how the show has liked to do reveals that show more has been going on that we missed, just have this big deal thing come in out of nowhere and disrupt the Chuck/Axe blood feud. Bonus points if Chuck can't accept that he's barely responsible at all for Axe going down (shades of when he had to hand off the Axe case but still kept doing stuff related to it) and saves Axe since he needs to be the one to bring him down. It is a good point about Axe being immune from the harshest stuff because of his money too, we'll probably see him having been completely run out of Wall Street, turned from a billionaire into a high-millionaire, and forced into retirement out of the country on some nice beach somewhere with a grimace on his face, that's about the worst case scenario I can picture right now, but I have to figure the writers have some suitably terrible fate in store for him eventually.
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Jun 11, 2019 15:46
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Axe goes to prison, and not the cushy kind.
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The con was a little too straight-forward and expected. I was hoping the life coach dude was going to be a plant.
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I didn't hate season 4 but I didn't like it a lot either. It's starting to feel tired and none of the twists feel like much of a surprise. I hope they cap it at 5 seasons.
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Wamsutta posted:I didn't hate season 4 but I didn't like it a lot either. It's starting to feel tired and none of the twists feel like much of a surprise. I hope they cap it at 5 seasons. The "we're all protesting" scene where they all come to Axe's office window and raise their fists was straight out of a goddamn sitcom Billions with a laugh track would be an interesting project
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I started watching this on an airplane and thought S1 was pretty weak, but then it became a very good show somewhere in S2. Chuck senior is hilarious good lord. The way characters roll between formidable and silly so freely makes the show really entertaining.
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This show has a new season. It sure is a new season of Billions. This show has always been a guilty pleasure for me for the wealth porn, tangential financial markets jargon and the quintuple-crosses. The first episode, at least, seems to think that people enjoy the Chuck-Wendy drama and... does anyone? dpkg chopra fucked around with this message at 14:10 on May 8, 2020 |
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I don't care about any of these people or their lives anymore and it's going to be tough to make myself watch season 5 I think. The premiere was not a strong start
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Becky Lynch was somehow worse playing herself than she was playing the villain in the last Marine movie. Also no Connerty, no buys. He was the heart of the show.
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First ep was bad and slow. Second was a bit better. Been wanting a bit of a Wags deep dive.
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after episode 3 this season I'm not sure i can watch this show anymore wendy is such a quack, just an educated moron maybe its just everything else going on in the real world but i want to see pretty much every character in this show get their rear end beat 20 Blunts fucked around with this message at 17:21 on May 19, 2020 |
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20 Blunts posted:after episode 3 this season I'm not sure i can watch this show anymore Wow I am going through the same dilemma. They're all avaricious egotistical assholes. No one I want to see 'win' in any way. No protagonists to root for. Kind of reminds me of Entourage. Started out fun and entertaining but after a few seasons you realize (or the characters became) they're terrible misogynists and why did you ever think they were the good guys.
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we both know we're going to keep watching. these are the people of our times, lol
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Okay yeah you're right 20 Blunts, so how about something lighter. But first, you gotta try a slice of this pizza. You eat this, then you'll agree to whatever deal I want to make with you. I mean I've had a lot of pizzas in my day, but never anything as magical as the East Village hipster pie Ax serves up. Gotta say, If a billionaire bought me pizza for dinner (without a flight to Italy being involved) I might be a little shall we say underwhelmed. Would artisan pizza be
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Yeah, it's bad so far, and agreed that not having Connerty around sucks. Axe's speech at his son's school was full cringe. The Mike Prince storyline is whatever. Wendy and Axe are cartoons at this point. I guess they're building toward Taylor shaking things up. I don't know if that'd be satisfying, if the arc could be refreshingly different enough from when they left AxeCap the first time.
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I honestly kind of expected the students to start laughing at Axe as part of him getting kicked down in the early episodes but no, he got a standing ovation for his lovely speech.
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Vernacular posted:Yeah, it's bad so far, and agreed that not having Connerty around sucks. Too right. I might have respected it if the show just had Axe crush the guy for doing good with misappropriation but no, equivocation ahoy. Also Chuck's kids seemed to be written as way younger than they look.
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Arbite posted:Too right. Definitely, when Wendy brought up that a babysitter was coming in the premiere I was like "But one of them looks like he's 15, wtf?" I haven't caught episode 3 yet, but I'm still liking this show far more than I should. It does need to stop running the same plays though, having Longriver get scooped out from other them was way too predictable. It also rankled me a bit that Wags' daughter wound up as a stripper, mostly because no matter how lovely a parent he is, he ought to be throwing enough money at her that it wouldn't be necessary. Like so many things that don't really add up on the show though, I can at least see that throughline of "Yeah Wags is a poo poo human and a perv, so of course his daughter would end up doing that." There's also some elements so far that come across as the kind of thing that I would expect from a SNL parody of the show, like Axe literally tearing an ad out of the magazine and handing it off so that plans can be made for him to bang the model in the later. I feel confident that no scene this season will top the comedy of the Chuck waterboarding scene. I could practically hear the laugh track for that whole scene. Also as a wrestling fan, Becky Lynch's scene came across as pretty cringey and the message was way too on the nose. Duffy also should have been freaking out way more. One thing about that scene that absolutely landed though was that literally no one was reacting like they had any clue who this person was, then kind of had that "oh this is really cool" reaction once they found out, and I think that was a really accurate depiction of the type of stardom that most pro wrestlers have. I think I'll always be glad to have this show around, and I look forward to analyzing it too much in posts later in the season. Connery better be back by episode five this season  !
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Ur Getting Fatter posted:I honestly kind of expected the students to start laughing at Axe as part of him getting kicked down in the early episodes but no, he got a standing ovation for his lovely speech. Nahh, he basically came in and said gently caress the authority. Kids are going to clap for that.
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Binary Logic posted:Okay yeah you're right 20 Blunts, so how about something lighter. But first, you gotta try a slice of this pizza. You eat this, then you'll agree to whatever deal I want to make with you. I anticipated your move, I knew you would offer me artisan pizza. So I bought every little pizza shop on the east coast and replaced with them with Papa John's. What's more, is I shorted the stock on buffalo mozzarella and liquidated the nation of Italy itself. You're not a warrior like me. ***Boards private helicopter to the tune of "My War" by Black Flag***
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20 Blunts posted:I anticipated your move, I knew you would offer me artisan pizza. So I bought every little pizza shop on the east coast and replaced with them with Papa John's. What's more, is I shorted the stock on buffalo mozzarella and liquidated the nation of Italy itself. You're not a warrior you're a monster. A voracious carnivorous monster! And you might think that private helicopter is cool but your landing pad is in Yonkers. Yonkers! Keep it, it's where you belong, you can never wash off the smell of Yonkers anyway. Now you'll have to excuse me, going to a fancy Upper West Side soiree for movers and shakers. ps you're not invited. pps you wouldn't like it anyway, they're not serving pizza. ------------------- Man, Axelrod really was a monster this episode, using people and tossing them aside.
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Binary Logic posted:Man, Axelrod really was a monster this episode, using people and tossing them aside. Yeah, this is what, the fourth time in as many episodes Axe chooses to not do the decent/right/humane thing and it's still presented as a big thing? What's even the conflict between these two? Axe and Chuck already had 'assholes ruin everyone and everything between them in their feud' and they at least had the nouveau-riche vs society element to keep things interesting. Ah well, allegedly Connerty's back next episode. Let's see how that goes.
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I could see Axe making a move to try and sleep with Wendy and it blowing up in his face I could also see the painter dating Wendy, and Axe ruining his life once he finds out Connerty should have been held off until the end of the season so he could go full Frank Grimes on Chuck's "newfound morality" MorrisBae fucked around with this message at 00:48 on May 27, 2020 |
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From the sound of the synopsis maybe Connerty gets back on team Axe, which would be lots of fun to see. I think I'm seeing some of the beats to come for the season, should be enjoyable even if it goes how I expect in some cases. I liked Wendy feeling relieved she could stop dropping movie references, that worked as a character moment symbolizing how working with Taylor may be enjoyable for her and a fun lampshade on the goofy dialog of this goofy show. I was surprised that Sacker didn't say to Chuck that considering her dad "fair game" was an Old Chuck move, and not something he should do as part of his new "moral" outlook. I think it's a sensible thing for her to try to do to advance her own interests. Of course, the sweetest "I've learned from the master" move is if she's waiting to pull that card on something that really matters to her, and protecting her dad doesn't meet that criteria. Something that'd directly help her future political aspirations, however... NowonSA fucked around with this message at 05:03 on May 27, 2020 |
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That bit when Wendy considered teaming up with Taylor actually felt very stilted and forced to me. Same with the ways the artist and rear end in a top hat CEO guy ate up her "whispering". In a show about superhuman professional efficacy, she's probably the most caricatured of the bunch, and that's saying something. At least the other characters have crises of performance every now and then. IMO she's been a weak point in the season so far, probably because her dynamic with Chuck has always been more interesting than it is with Axe. Hopefully they are building up to her going full shameless, sociopathic puppet master dom, not only pitting the big dogs against one another, but consciously and explicitly enjoying the experience of doing so. It would be really satisfying to see her own up to the fact that she's the biggest shark of the lot. That'd be the most fitting end to the show. I did actually like the new episode a bit more than the others. The Yonkers story was pretty well done. Vernacular fucked around with this message at 06:16 on May 27, 2020 |
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I was thinking that it's really about time that Wendy just had someone completely not buy in to her therapy or what she was trying to convince them to do. It would have been a fun subversion in this episode if at the Wendy and Taylor meeting it turns out that nope, this guy's just an rear end in a top hat and he's not going to do anything you wanted him to. So far the only L''s she's chalked up have been from Chuck, Taylor, and getting caught up in some bullshit Axe is doing. Those three have all had major professional setbacks at one time or another, and I can't really think of a situation she's been in that's been at a similar level. Maybe the artist will freak out (make a bad painting or have a significant downward spiral) and blame her for it, that'd be a good start towards some setbacks for her and challenges for her to overcome.
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I have a feeling Taylor is playing her to gently caress with Axe anyway. You already see the cracks a bit when she went against Axe in front of her. Even though he said it was the right thing, I think he was just saving whatever face he could there.
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Lol at Wendy looking horrified at Axe while he compacts his dad’s car like this is a new low for him.
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Ur Getting Fatter posted:Lol at Wendy looking horrified at Axe while he compacts his dad’s car like this is a new low for him. an episode of billions ending with axe doing something that demonstrates how awful he is WOW i for one am shocked though i guess it’s a break from episodes ending with taylor doing something that demonstrates their state of moral confict
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Did Chuck commission a safe robbery to bribe a banking regulator? I know he literally did but that is not skirting the law. How could that possibly be worth the risk if it got out?
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MiddleOne posted:Am I the only one still rooting for Taylor coming out on top of this. I guess that would be fine but I need more clarification on their motives and ambitions. I do like the team of quirky numbers geeks although admittedly sometimes I have to rewind and re-listen to figure out what they're talking about. Julianna Margulies is great, hope she's around for a while. Dmitri-9 posted:Did Chuck commission a safe robbery to bribe a banking regulator? I know he literally did but that is not skirting the law. How could that possibly be worth the risk if it got out? But that's where we are with this show. And, after all we've seen of Wag's weirdness he's going to be CEO of a bank owned by Bobby?! He was tripping on ayahuasca two weeks ago! (OTOH can anyone say, "oh that would never happen" given what is happening in the real world right now. ) I was all primed for a story from Wendie Malick about smuggling the ring that would top Christopher Walken's watch monologue in Pulp Fiction. But nope, just sewed it in jacket lining And... Chuck's assistant is named Sacker, appropriate for the woman who's now slept with both Connerty brothers. 
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