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I don't know if it's season 1, I think it is, but all this "I lost my child!" I was waiting for someone to finally snap on her and bring up how she had already lost her daughter 100% because her husband caught her using her power on her. I guess the rest of them didn't know but I'm pretty sure she wasn't allowed around her kid when the show started either.
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pik_d posted:Yes it did, Allison's mother died early in this timeline, so Allison never existed, so Claire never existed. Allison's husband went and married a different black lady and had a different child. If Harlan hadn't prevented Allison from being born then, in theory, she'd still have had Claire in this timeline. So the reason the other 6 were selected to be in the academy was because the mothers were killed and not because Reggie picked different children… for some reason I had it in my head that he selected different ones because of the encounter in 1963 AND it so happened that the mothers dying prevented the chance of the academy from bumping into themselves. I thought that was a plot device for that, but now I see it was the other way around. I was thinking that even if the original 6 existed in this timeline, she wouldn’t have had the same daughter or husband as without the academy she wouldn’t have met him, etc…. That does make more sense now that I see that.
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TraderStav posted:So the reason the other 6 were selected to be in the academy was because the mothers were killed and not because Reggie picked different children… for some reason I had it in my head that he selected different ones because of the encounter in 1963 AND it so happened that the mothers dying prevented the chance of the academy from bumping into themselves. I thought that was a plot device for that, but now I see it was the other way around. The show basically led us to that conclusion, I don't remember if the Umbrella siblings came to that conclusion or if Regi said something to that effect, but it was said in the show I'm pretty sure. You're also right that Claire likely wouldn't exist because of Allison's life being different, but Allison blames the people who made it impossible for Claire to have existed because she's in grief.
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pentyne posted:I don't know if it's season 1, I think it is, but all this "I lost my child!" I was waiting for someone to finally snap on her and bring up how she had already lost her daughter 100% because her husband caught her using her power on her. Her not being allowed visitation with her child is different than her child not existing, though. One way, she knows her child is safe somewhere. This way, her child is loving gone.
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pik_d posted:You're also right that Claire likely wouldn't exist because of Allison's life being different, but Allison blames the people who made it impossible for Claire to have existed because she's in grief. Yeah, specifically in the 'anger' phase.
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Megillah Gorilla posted:Yeah, specifically in the 'anger' phase. Then she moved on to make a literal bargain! I hadn't thought about that part of it before. I wonder if we'll get another season so we can see depression and acceptance, or if she'll have to start all over?
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My guess would be that there are two Bens and train Ben is dead Ben. cant cook creole bream posted:I guess, he just startet with 7 because that's the magic number and then he just sort of gave up when one of them perished. I just don't get why he didn't try to replace that one. Maybe because they were already broken anyway. He was down two kids: Ben was dead and Five was missing. Shrimpy fucked around with this message at 07:43 on Jul 4, 2022 |
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Jul 4, 2022 07:31
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pik_d posted:Then she moved on to make a literal bargain! I hadn't thought about that part of it before. I wonder if we'll get another season so we can see depression and acceptance, or if she'll have to start all over? Hah, I hadn't thought about the bargain.
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Shrimpy posted:My guess would be that there are two Bens and train Ben is dead Ben. Fair enough, but it did not seem like he was trying to recruit anyone new.
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Jul 4, 2022 15:33
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Last episode spoilers I'm still bummed that just as half of the group starts figuring out their real powers; Allison's a Maxwell Lord style brainwasher but she needs high emotional motivation to use it beyond 'I heard a Rumor' Viktor's resonance thing he can do with his powers once Harlan explains it to him, Klaus can't stay dead, Five can do pretty well rewinding time with seconds instead of doing big decade leaps, they just remove everyone's powers at the end. Except Allison's maybe.
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I just wonder if things will culminate in Five’s establishment of the Commission as a bulwark against Reggie’s fuckery
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KHLAV KALASHNIKOV posted:I just wonder if things will culminate in Five’s establishment of the Commission as a bulwark against Reggie’s fuckery That clearly didn't work though because Five didn't listen to Old-Five.
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I just realized that Five may start the Commission because he lost the ability to travel through time naturally, so he needs the suitcases to make things right. Sure, that probably doesn't make a lot of sense, time line wise, if you squint at it long enough, but neither do most time travel theories.
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was there any explanation at all for what Cube Sparrow is? I can't recall any exposition at all.
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FistEnergy posted:was there any explanation at all for what Cube Sparrow is? I can't recall any exposition at all. There was none. I go back and forth on wanting an explanation, and loving that we were given none. I can come up with a bullshit one on my own if I want (like, say, he almost died, and was put into a cube to save his life, sort of like Luther and the injection. Or maybe he was legit born as a cube, for some reason). But if I'm being honest, I don't need one. He is Christopher, and he is a cube.
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yeah that checks out. it was an interesting season but it definitely felt like the pieces weren't lining up and they weren't quite holding the narrative together.
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I'm still lost as to why all the mothers didn't get microwaved by Harlan and so no Sparrows should exist either. He should have sensed them too right? So he just decided 'oh I know these frequencies only, let's try reaching out'? Honestly everything Harlan touched this season made the show worse.
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I thought he killed like 27 mothers so probably would have also gotten the Sparrow moms too? I guess once you have one grandpa paradox it doesn’t matter if the sparrows are part of it or not.
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BetterLekNextTime posted:I thought he killed like 27 mothers so probably would have also gotten the Sparrow moms too? I guess once you have one grandpa paradox it doesn’t matter if the sparrows are part of it or not. Yeah, I think he killed around 27, too. But that's out of 43 (right?), so Reggie may have built the Sparrows out of who was left?
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So Hargreeves's entire plan was about reviving his wife, or whoever that was frozen on the moon? The only reason he took the children in was to train them to the point where they would be able to face the guardians in the other hotel. All the abuse, all the crime fighting just so they would be good enough to last a few minutes against the cockroach samurai. Then to be sacrificed to power the universal machine. No wonder he never formed any bonds with them. Trained them from birth to kill them.
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Megillah Gorilla posted:So Hargreeves's entire plan was about reviving his wife, or whoever that was frozen on the moon? Frozen on the moon, but also on her death bed on that alien planet. He's kept her around for a while.
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Not to be dense, but what was the reason for killing the guardians exactly? Could they have all just stood on the sigil at first and avoided all that nonsense?
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I'm pretty sure it's because Hargreeve didn't really know that much about what to do. He knew there were seven guardians and that a certain sigil was the key to resetting the universe. From folklore, he knew that there were countless tales of seven heroes defeating seven villains, so he assumed that's that they had to do. Apparently, you only had to step on certain spots (which looked nothing like the designs in his book to me). Also, why the "creator of the universe" made a Japanese themed hotel with cockroach samurais is just a much of a mystery as who was making the sushi.
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We haven't started the new season yet, but Netflix has gone back and updated Elliot Page's name for season 2 (and I'd assume 1) in the credits. Neat!
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its also possible that when you stood on the sigils and started the process, that might have woken the guardians and you just get totally owned while youre frozen in place getting juiced
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Standing on the sigils literally killed the last guardian though?
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I avoided this show for a long time. It was kinda exactly as bad as I expected but perfectly fine for what it is. Why was the terrible dad wearing his human mask in the alien world flashback? There are plausible reasons this is semiretorical
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Chieves posted:We haven't started the new season yet, but Netflix has gone back and updated Elliot Page's name for season 2 (and I'd assume 1) in the credits. Neat! That rules 
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I've watched three episodes of season 3 and wow it's been the worst part of the series so far. I'm not sure I'm gonna bother watching more.
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KittyEmpress posted:I've watched three episodes of season 3 and wow it's been the worst part of the series so far. Watch it for Klaus and Five.
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Rauri posted:Watch it for Klaus and Five. It's amazing how Five is both the only competent character, and also somehow the best actor of the bunch. Klaus is at least funny though, yeah. The whole main band is just.. bad otherwise though.
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Five and Klaus have carried the show since the first episode. Everyone else is just a background character, even when they're literally ending the world.
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Megillah Gorilla posted:Five and Klaus have carried the show since the first episode. That was part of the charm imo. Crazy rear end wonky show about crazy rear end wonky people.
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I hope Fives actor gets lots of roles coming in, he acts everyone off the screen. Edit- lol he's better than 90pc of the stranger things cast and younger too Sloth Life fucked around with this message at 14:13 on Jul 13, 2022 |
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Sloth Life posted:I hope Fives actor gets lots of roles coming in, he acts everyone off the screen. Could Five help Eleven by teleporting straight to the Upside Down??  Or would Eleven just get PTSD from seeing someone else with a number for a name
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Finally finished s3 last night. Good, solid season. I enjoyed it. But my brain was tied up in a knot trying to sort out the time fuckery to make everything line up. Part of me hopes there is some elegant solution proposed whenever it picks back up, assuming Netflix actually renews it. But this show never struck me as one to explain anything more than absolutely necessary, which I'm also fine with. I do like all these different shades of Regi the children have had to wrangle with. However, if I had to guess based on the very end, the Regi we would meet in the next season probably has no idea his plan worked. Alison appears to be the only one unaffected in this new world (same bandage/injury), but she was the only one under that little bubble, while Regi lay dead. That also means Alison could be the only one that still has powers, but we saw that her powers don't work on Regi just moments earlier. So now we have the most original version of the character, and presumably, the most ruthless based on how he's dominated every conceivable aspect of industry.
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Yeah its kinda insane that Aiden Gallagher as 14 year old and onwards has been exceptionally convincing as the smartest, oldest and most jaded person in the room. Those arent easy beats for child actors, even talented ones, to hit.
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Alison does bring up an interesting point, when the old guy apologises for erasing her daughter and killing their mothers - apologies are a linguistic trap. You can't win. If you apologise, the only word in our language is "sorry" and in some cases it's just not strong enough. However, if you neglect to use it, despite knowing that using it will only piss off the other party, the other party STILL gets pissed off even if you are working to resolve whatever you have caused (provided it has a resolution that you can achieve) because "how can I believe you care if you haven't even apologised?" It's a bullshit social trap that there is no way out of. Either way, apology or no, there is nothing you can do or say, especially if there isn't a way to fix the problem. Especially since in this case it was an accident. If the offense is intentional, then fair enough, but when it's unintentional and just a thing that happened that was out of your control, then it's just an impossible situation to navigate. Alison is right that "Sorry isn't what you say when you obliterate someone's daughter", but what is? If he didn't apologise she'd get pissed for a whole other reason.
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I took Allison's ability not working on Regi because he's an alien, but who knows.
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Maybe cause he was in the alien control whatsits. Didn't rewatch the previous seasons so I was waiting for an explanation for why Luther was on the drat moon so long. But it also made sense he had no intention to explain anything beyond promising to so things kept going his way.
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