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CM I'm glad you're alive, please log off and find happiness away from dead gay forum political discussionBGrifter posted:Go forward with legal weed. It helps. A lot. I'm waiting for all the studies that should now be happening here in Canada now that weed is legal. There's been a few now that are linking high-potency weed and psychosis, like the below. I had a friend, who's not really a friend anymore that began unraveling completely after getting a medical weed license 2 years ago. I don't know know if i was the weed specifically that caused him to spiral so badly but I think general statements like "Weed will help a lot" are not good. https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lanpsy/article/PIIS2215-0366(19)30048-3/fulltext
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If you have a latent mental illness, and you take a psychoactive substance, you might end up with an actual mental illness.
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DariusLikewise posted:I'm waiting for all the studies that should now be happening here in Canada now that weed is legal. There's been a few now that are linking high-potency weed and psychosis, like the below. I had a friend, who's not really a friend anymore that began unraveling completely after getting a medical weed license 2 years ago. I don't know know if i was the weed specifically that caused him to spiral so badly but I think general statements like "Weed will help a lot" are not good. Exactly right. The current science is that for most people, THC is a healthier choice than alcohol or tobacco. It's not that it carries general health benefits, but its downsides are relatively minor. There is a major carve out to this: there is solid science linking THC to the onset of full blown mental illness. More studies are needed. For now, telling someone struggling with mental health to smoke weed is giving them bad advice.
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I don't do any drugs but I can understand that there's probably a lot of useful applications for things we've otherwise banned. I know there's a big debate about the impact of taking high CBD weed on epilepsy. There's also people experimenting with microdosing with LSD to alleviate/treat chronic migraines which, if true, would relieve a condition that has no real treatment and no real cure.
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flakeloaf posted:If you have a latent mental illness, and you take a psychoactive substance, you might end up with an actual mental illness. It's looking even more likely that you don't even need latent mental illness to have damaging effects from very high concentrations of THC. Also the thing about "latent mental illness" is you have no way of knowing if you have it or not.
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Dreylad posted:I don't do any drugs but I can understand that there's probably a lot of useful applications for things we've otherwise banned. I know there's a big debate about the impact of taking high CBD weed on epilepsy. There's also people experimenting with microdosing with LSD to alleviate/treat chronic migraines which, if true, would relieve a condition that has no real treatment and no real cure. CBD has no action on the normal cannabinoid receptors and works on sodium channels like most conventional anticonvulsants. Yes, it's found in cannabis but it's very different from most of the other alkaloids and in fact it seems to reduce the effects of THC. The LSD stuff isn't even really experimental anymore. We've been using other related ergotamines to treat migraines for decades. LSD microdosing seems to work better for depression (not anxiety) but it's unclear if it works as well for migraines as the other drugs in that class we already use.
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Maneck posted:Exactly right. The current science is that for most people, THC is a healthier choice than alcohol or tobacco. It's not that it carries general health benefits, but its downsides are relatively minor. Kinda like how vaping isn't a good idea for a thing one should do, but if you're already ingesting nicotine through your lungs, it's better to suspend the nicotine in a haze of aerosolized antifreeze and vegetable oils and breathe that, than it would be to burn dried leaves and breathe the products of combustion.
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Yeah, surprise surprise that hitting hyper-concentrated shatter multiple times a day will probably gently caress you up real good and permanently compared to your grandparents ditch weed. I loving hate marijuana enthusiasts. LSD is definitely good for depression and 100% alleviated mine for going on two years from being the same as CM, but it's no magic bullet and without sufficient self-awareness and setting you'll probably just end up in psychosis trying to self-medicate away the demons. 
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Yikes. I wake up and my suggestion to smoke a little weed to relax turned into consume large doses of hyper-concentrated shatter?  I was thinking maybe a joint or edible once a week to relax and take your mind off your mind. Not vaporizing entire forests of high potency weed and dunking yourself in a bathtub of THC oil every day.
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Moist von Lipwig posted:CBD has no action on the normal cannabinoid receptors and works on sodium channels like most conventional anticonvulsants. Yes, it's found in cannabis but it's very different from most of the other alkaloids and in fact it seems to reduce the effects of THC. Fair enough. I wasn't aware other ergotamines had been in use for decades!
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BGrifter posted:Yikes. I wake up and my suggestion to smoke a little weed to relax turned into consume large doses of hyper-concentrated shatter? Listen man, if I’m gonna do a marihuana I’m gonna do it right and do all the marihuana Also glad you’re not dead CM. Get help!!
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BGrifter posted:Yikes. I wake up and my suggestion to smoke a little weed to relax turned into consume large doses of hyper-concentrated shatter? The complete lack of information on doses might be exactly the reason why advising self medication isn't a great idea.
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NZAmoeba posted:The complete lack of information on doses might be exactly the reason why advising self medication isn't a great idea. A fair point! Weed in moderation is great, but don’t overdo it. I think now a cartoon dog with sunglasses is supposed to give a thumbs up as the post fades to black.
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Note: Snoochie died on the way back to his home planet
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Rime posted:Yeah, surprise surprise that hitting hyper-concentrated shatter multiple times a day will probably gently caress you up real good and permanently compared to your grandparents ditch weed. I loving hate marijuana enthusiasts. Current science shows DXM outperforming anything else we've tried, including LSD and ketamine, and it's 100% legal.
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A bit late but I'm happy you're alive Chairmaster! You have good opinions and you need help and friendship. I believe you can find those things.
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Hello CanPol thread. Just want to throw something out there: in our last thread there was absolutely no shortage of quality effort posts by you lovely people and it would be a shame to see them lost to the dustbin of internet history. Would anyone here be willing to help soft through the thread and store the content somewhere off site? I don't mind providing hosting but I don't think even I would have the free time to go through every page of the last thread I know Goon Projects and all but I figured I through this out there and see what the general feeling was 🇨🇦
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Smoking even half a joint is enough to send me into anxiety and can't-get-out-of-my-head-thinking overdrive. I wish pot worked on me like it seems to do for other people.
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sitchensis posted:Smoking even half a joint is enough to send me into anxiety and can't-get-out-of-my-head-thinking overdrive. Pot isn't all the same. You can get better luck with different types, and also maybe don't have as much. Half a joint is still a considerable amount for one person. That's why joints get passed around, because just one can get a bunch of people toasted.
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Yeah, dosing definitely varies by person. Start low, go slow is the mantra of anyone who knows anything about weed. (I'm a relative newbie myself!) That said, having the ability to "turn my brain off" for a little is a huge life changer for someone like me who overthinks and overanalyzes the hell out of everything. (a super useful tendency a lot of the time! But not 24/7) I'm very much inclined to lie awake in bed obsessing over tiny details and things out of my control. Having an off switch that lets me watch a dumb comedy on TV and go to sleep at a decent hour has been transformative. I'm convinced half the benefit I get from it is just being able to sleep soundly for seven or eight hours at a relatively normal bedtime with no morning side-effects.
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Don't self medicate according to internet people. You need to see a professional psychiatrist or you run the risk of making things way worse. One of the reasons alcoholism is such a massive problem is because people use it, either deliberately or without realizing it, to self-medicate.
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The big caveat with that pot study is that there was no causal link. It's possible that potent pot causes psychosis, bit it's also possible that people predisposed to psychosis are increasingly self-medicating with pot instead of other substances.
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The latter? Cannabis as a medical treatment option has exploded in popularity. As more people consume it, the more people with unrelated physical and mental health issues seems likely to rise?
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Smoke weed every day.
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Don't get your advice from the internet.
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Wistful of Dollars posted:Don't get your advice from the internet. Always consult a doctor. I met with an excellent one named *checks notes* Doctor Dre.
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The Dark One posted:The big caveat with that pot study is that there was no causal link. It's possible that potent pot causes psychosis, bit it's also possible that people predisposed to psychosis are increasingly self-medicating with pot instead of other substances. This is my original point, whether or not weed is bad or if people with mental conditions are pre-disposed to self medicate with weed or other drugs it's bad to advise someone with clear mental health issues to start smoking weed to solve a problem. There's a lot as humans we don't know about weed because it hasn't been studied widely due to it's legal status.
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Lol @ all these anti weed cops.
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Hi, scientist chiming here. I've had a massive career change and have been working on psychoactive substances in the past several years. In terms of current evidence on the mechanisms of action or even the therapeutic benefits of some of the substances mentioned above, I would like to echo those saying don't take advice from the interwebs. CBD: so far nobody agrees what it does or even if it has any clinically relevant effects. There are preliminary results and ongoing studies, but with big limitations. Because CBD is legal and not considered a prescription product, there is zero financial incentive for the industry to fund proper research. Microdosing hallucinogens or dissociatives: preliminary results are encouraging, but we have yet to show it's not due to the placebo effect. Mental health and disorders are still poorly understood so there are added difficulties identifying the mechanism of action, nevermind properly demonstrating efficacy. More research needed. Cannabis & mental disorders : again echoing what's said above. We barely know what cannabinoids do over time. Sorry far we don't have controlled data on acute effects or on changes due to chronic exposure. Cannabis doesn't and won't cure everything. More data needed to know what dosage regimens won't have negative effects, and how useful it can be for a range of conditions. Anecdotal evidence suggests it can be a useful sedative/analgesic at low doses. I wouldn't call anticonvulsants sodium channel blockers. Although some are, gabaergic drugs are more commonly prescribed. We still have a barbaric approach to treat a lot of these conditions. Sedatives for epilepsy, pain, anxiety, etc. Anyway It never ceases to amaze me what people are willing to invest without knowing what it'll do to them. Growing up in a trashy rural community we knew better than to try so and so's moonshine, lest we wanted to go blind. Please don't take advice from an internet rando. Not even me. Especially not me.
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EvidenceBasedQuack posted:changes due to chronic exposure. I see what you did there.
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Why does the conservative party get to keep existing when they're very obviously a US republican appendage? I might give a poo poo about the lavalin affair if it wasn't shameless fascists leading the inquisition. Their talking points, policies, behavior, all cribbed from the party of Nixon. Multiple cons worked for republican campaigns. kenney was proud of denying gays treatment. The Liberals are as far right as any Canadian party should be. We don't don't need Reagan worshipping homophobes involved in our legislation. Or in the case of Kenney, a self hating gay man doing the usual try hard christo fascist bullshit to appeal to his far right base and Supply side Jesus. Anti gay, anti science, anti fact church bitch. https://www.pinknews.co.uk/2019/03/22/anti-lgbt-alberta-conservative-leader-jason-kenney/ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cLSRft_ALQY
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calling homophobic people "self hating gays" without any evidence of them actually being gay is gross and victim blaming. don't do it please thanks besides its funnier and kenney becomes an even more pathetic and contemptible figure if you take him at his word that he is a 50 year old celibate virgin Juul-Whip fucked around with this message at 00:33 on Mar 23, 2019 |
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THC posted:calling homophobic people "self hating gays" without any evidence of them actually being gay is gross. don't do it please thanks What if I've had direct conversations with members of his EDA board who have told me about his partner overseas? Edit: or the multiple people I've talked to in Conservative politics who've all said the same thing?
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oh so it's not just idle speculation? and you're not talking about Baird right?
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I'm really glad Chairmaster is alive. Please try to take care of yourself and get a little better when you can.
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THC posted:calling homophobic people "self hating gays" without any evidence of them actually being gay is gross and victim blaming. don't do it please thanks I'm queer. I'll call Kenney what he is. He's the same as the high school bully that would constantly shout 'fag' at me and others because his misplaced self loathing. He's not a victim of anyone but himself and his idiotic beliefs. It's obvious to those of us that have seen this before.
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Suit yourself I guess. it rubs me the wrong way when people do this and none of my bullies turned out to be gay but alright e: also I don't mean to suggest Kenney is any kind of victim, but the idea that homophobia comes from allegedly repressed homosexuals is basically letting straight people who do homophobia off the hook imo Juul-Whip fucked around with this message at 02:10 on Mar 23, 2019 |
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