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Docjowles
Apr 9, 2009

Docjowles posted:

Aw man. I figured that the other shoe had to drop eventually, because this was all going off too well. I didn't have "rampant financial fraud" as that other shoe, though.

Someone please tweet my week 3 post @ freezing cold takes, cause fuckin welp

This was when we thought Dundon was "saving" the league lol

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StupidSexyMothman
Aug 9, 2010

syzpid posted:

apparently the AAF was paying the networks to air the games, and it looked like none of the networks were planing to pay for the games, which is why Dundon shut it down.

I sort of can't believe that? With as well as the AAF games were doing ratings wise, and how desperate networks seem to be for live sports, they weren't willing to pay anything for the AAF?

They already signed a contract to be paid to air AAF games, and the league would've shut down even faster without the TV broadcasts. If they were forced to renegotiate those deals somebody absolutely would've paid, but the AAF had zero leverage to push for it.

I wonder if the XFL will broadcast on the WWE network...

indigi
Jul 20, 2004

how can we not talk about family
when family's all that we got?
crosspost from the yospos bitcoin thread, some more info about Fowler's financial situation and the AAF collapse

divabot posted:

Crypto Capital and Bitfinex’s missing millions: Reggie Fowler was indicted on Tuesday. The US Government has filed a motion to detain him as a flight risk. And it's loving amazing. I posted a summary.

sweet thursday
Sep 16, 2012

A lot of good men got plaque on their brains because of a rich shyster. A story as old as time.

Benne
Sep 2, 2011

STOP DOING HEROIN

syzpid posted:

apparently the AAF was paying the networks to air the games, and it looked like none of the networks were planing to pay for the games, which is why Dundon shut it down.

I sort of can't believe that? With as well as the AAF games were doing ratings wise, and how desperate networks seem to be for live sports, they weren't willing to pay anything for the AAF?

There's no way they were getting games on CBS and NFLN without paying through the nose for time buys -- networks may be thirsty for live content, but they're not thirsty enough to throw money at an unproven startup. In an alternate universe where the AAF didn't turn into a 20-clown-car pileup, maybe they could've leveraged those solid ratings into a paying deal down the line, but it definitely wasn't happening in year one.

Mega64
May 23, 2008

I took the octopath less travelered,

And it made one-eighth the difference.
Some more AAF stories.

quote:

Another story that spread far across the AAF offices has Marshawn Lynch crashing the league’s quarterback draft last November at the Luxor casino in Las Vegas. According to one employee, Lynch, whose cousin Josh Johnson was the first pick in that draft, and who is notoriously media-averse, agreed to do a two-minute interview for the Alliance at that event in exchange for $5,000. But when a check was presented to Lynch, he asked that his money be delivered instead in quarters—which AAF co-founder Charlie Ebersol took seriously. In the end, 20,000 quarters were delivered to Lynch’s room and the interview apparently took place . . . but no one ever saw it. It didn’t air.

Fenrir
Apr 26, 2005

I found my kendo stick, bitch!

Lipstick Apathy
I love Marshawn Lynch :allears:

latinotwink1997
Jan 2, 2008

Taste my Ball of Hope, foul dragon!


It’s only 250lbs in quarters he has to haul around to the slots, nbd.

Flikken
Oct 23, 2009

10,363 snaps and not a playoff win to show for it

latinotwink1997 posted:

It’s only 250lbs in quarters he has to haul around to the slots, nbd.

It's only 5 bags

Colostomy Bag
Jan 11, 2016

:lesnick: C-Bangin' it :lesnick:

I liked the part on the employees that just started looting their offices.

dirty shrimp money
Jan 8, 2001

That’s a tradition that calls back to the 90s dot com bust - when your startup went under your severance package was whatever you could carry out of the office before either your ex-coworkers beat you to it or the landlord had someone come to lock the doors. Sometimes the workers would pick the place clean, sometimes the workers would have to take the landlord to court to get their car keys and family photos back.

It wasn’t like your former employer was going to one back looking for their printer when your former employer exists as a line on some accountant’s QuickBooks sheet.

Darth Brooks
Jan 15, 2005

I do not wear this mask to protect me. I wear it to protect you from me.

I saw a package of Topps AAF football cards at Walmart. I thought about picking them up for the giggles but it was 20.00. Knowing the history of the league, it will probably be cheaper some day.

Docjowles
Apr 9, 2009

It is right and good that Dundon’s hockey team got shithoused out of the NHL playoffs in 4 games.

HOTLANTA MAN
Jul 4, 2010

by Hand Knit
Lipstick Apathy
I went to one AAF game, the Legends v the Birmingham Iron. Basically the only things i remember were that Turner Field, excuse me, Georgia State Stadium is not a great venue for football and you can still see rooms and poo poo off to the side where they've stashed some of the Braves signage. We were close to the field but so was everybody and it kind of felt like packing sardines in.

The team store was overpriced and every time Simms threw a bad pass or a pick the entire crowd of like 1000 people would chant for Aaron Murray. Overall it was just a weird experience.

GD_American
Jul 21, 2004

LISTEN TO WHAT I HAVE TO SAY AS IT'S INCREDIBLY IMPORTANT!

Docjowles posted:

It is right and good that Dundon’s hockey team got shithoused out of the NHL playoffs in 4 games.

Dundon is not blameless here but I really think the villains are Ebersol and Polian, with the percentage divided as yet undetermined. They knew there was no funding plan but pressed on.

Hell, blame Silicon Valley for making that poo poo an acceptable modern financial model.

Sash!
Mar 16, 2001


Darth Brooks posted:

I saw a package of Topps AAF football cards at Walmart. I thought about picking them up for the giggles but it was 20.00. Knowing the history of the league, it will probably be cheaper some day.

I held the box in my hand at a Target a few weeks back and sort of regret not getting them.

Darth Brooks
Jan 15, 2005

I do not wear this mask to protect me. I wear it to protect you from me.

I could see paying five but not twenty.

WinnebagoWarrior
Apr 8, 2009

I eat Rotheseburgehergh's like you for breakfast
They still have 12 boxes of cards left on Amazon.

Elephanthead
Sep 11, 2008


Toilet Rascal
https://www.amazon.com/Memphis-Expr...gateway&sr=8-48

So much merch for the AAF lol.

Pakled
Aug 6, 2011

WE ARE SMART

The Memphis Express's famous black quarterback

Docjowles
Apr 9, 2009

I am disappointed that the Fleet one has a helmet on

wandler20
Nov 13, 2002

How many Championships?
ESPN has a write up on the end of the AAF: https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/26957796/inside-short-unhappy-life-alliance-american-football

MakaVillian
Aug 16, 2003

Well, in Whoville they say - that his tiny hands grew three sizes that day.


Good read.

Charlie Ebersol seems like the typical rich kid who thinks he can do anything because he was born to wealthy and successful parents, though he at least seems like he had good intentions in regards to the players.

Rastor
Jun 2, 2001

The video is really awkward but the article is beautiful.

GD_American
Jul 21, 2004

LISTEN TO WHAT I HAVE TO SAY AS IT'S INCREDIBLY IMPORTANT!
I’m surprised with so much legal action pending these jamokes would gab so much on the record, but that’s kinda fitting isn’t it?

Docjowles
Apr 9, 2009

lmao the founder of the AAF is the same age I am? Not sure if that is more shameful for me or for the people that trusted Ebersol to run that poo poo successfully.

Amy Pole Her
Jun 17, 2002

Docjowles posted:

lmao the founder of the AAF is the same age I am? Not sure if that is more shameful for me or for the people that trusted Ebersol to run that poo poo successfully.

36 year olds run tons of poo poo way bigger and way more important than the AAF so not sure why that’s so surprising

Docjowles
Apr 9, 2009

mostly cause I'm in denial that I'm old and have accomplished nothing of consequence :negative:

The Big Jesus
Oct 29, 2007

#essereFerrari

I don't know why but it always pisses me off when articles start with '___ woke up at 6:45'

Impossibly Perfect Sphere
Nov 6, 2002

They wasted Luanne on Lucky!

She could of have been so much more but the writers just didn't care!

The Big Jesus posted:

I don't know why but it always pisses me off when articles start with '___ woke up at 6:45'

It's a thing in journalism now. Every long form piece starts with the retelling of an ancedote. It's annoying.

Sash!
Mar 16, 2001


Amy Pole Her posted:

36 year olds run tons of poo poo way bigger and way more important than the AAF so not sure why that’s so surprising

North Korea, for example.

Colostomy Bag
Jan 11, 2016

:lesnick: C-Bangin' it :lesnick:

That was a good read. Thanks.

TITTIEKISSER69
Mar 19, 2005

SAVE THE BEES
PLANT MORE TREES
CLEAN THE SEAS
KISS TITTIESS




I haven't had a chance to finish the article yet, I think I'm about halfway through but it really sounds to me like it was the Fyre Fest of football leagues.

PneumonicBook
Sep 26, 2007

Do you like our owl?



Ultra Carp

TITTIEKISSER69 posted:

I haven't had a chance to finish the article yet, I think I'm about halfway through but it really sounds to me like it was the Fyre Fest of football leagues.

Please dont trigger Charlie Ebersol.

Docjowles
Apr 9, 2009

They literally make that reference in the article, heh.

quote:

The AAF drew comparisons to the disastrous Fyre Festival. That angered Ebersol

Impossibly Perfect Sphere
Nov 6, 2002

They wasted Luanne on Lucky!

She could of have been so much more but the writers just didn't care!
Even with how prematurely it ended the AAF was far more successful than the Fyre Festival.

TITTIEKISSER69
Mar 19, 2005

SAVE THE BEES
PLANT MORE TREES
CLEAN THE SEAS
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LOL, guess I'll finish it tonight to get to that part

General Dog
Apr 26, 2008

Everybody's working for the weekend

Jiminy Christmas! Shoes! posted:

Even with how prematurely it ended the AAF was far more successful than the Fyre Festival.

Yeah, Fyre Fest came to mind, but the AAF did actually play 8 weeks of football where everyone had pads and helmets and jerseys and the fans had a place to sit and everything.

They played in decent venues and didn't have any starting QB's suffer career-altering injuries because of poor playing surfaces or anything like that.

Play
Apr 25, 2006

Strong stroll for a mangy stray

General Dog posted:

Yeah, Fyre Fest came to mind, but the AAF did actually play 8 weeks of football where everyone had pads and helmets and jerseys and the fans had a place to sit and everything.

They played in decent venues and didn't have any starting QB's suffer career-altering injuries because of poor playing surfaces or anything like that.

Yeah on some levels it was organized really well. Essentially the problem was that they failed to monetize enough at the start and their war chest was way too small to begin with. The desperation move of bringing in Dundon backfired once he realized how hosed the financial situation really was.

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Colostomy Bag
Jan 11, 2016

:lesnick: C-Bangin' it :lesnick:

Play posted:

The desperation move of bringing in Dundon backfired once he realized how hosed the financial situation really was.

That is probably one thing that got me most. Uh, you are a billionaire and figured out the following evening "poo poo, this might have been a bad investment" cracked me up. Due diligence much? Of course there are probably 1,000 other behind the scene type things but the buyers remorse one is quite epic.

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