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AGGGGH BEES
Apr 28, 2018

by LITERALLY AN ADMIN

Flowers For Algeria posted:

Most of the rules proposed ITT are liberal bullshit designed to encourage the discussion of ideas, on the basis that all ideas are legitimate and worth discussing in good faith.

This is wrong.

The truth is that many ideas and ideologies are categorically incorrect and deathly, and entertaining them is monstrous. Constantly debating these ideas with utter morons and trolls is what keeps actual productive and challenging ideas from being discussed. Therefore if there is to be any form of serious political discussion on this forum, such ideas should be rejected on principle, and posting or engaging them should be penalized (of course such ideas may be mentioned in the context of mocking them or criticizing them).

Here are examples of such ideas:
- Support for capitalism or any other form of exploitation.
- Climate denialism, and "solutions" to the ongoing ecocide that are not immediate ecosocialist revolution.
- Antifeminism, anti-LGBT ideology, racism, support for discrimination and opposition to corrective action against discrimination.
- Support for military intervention or any form of war; support of the military.
- Defense of bourgeois institutions such as marriage, inheritance, private property, prison, the police; defense of bourgeois democracy.
- Anti-union sentiment.
- Fascism.

This list is of course incomplete. It would behove a carefully selected cadre of arbiters of orthodoxy to prevent such ideas from infesting the forum. Since there is little corrective value to probating or banning posters outright, orthodoxy should be enforced by moving incorrect posts to a specific quarantine thread; posters who manifested incorrect opinions could then quote themselves and explain how they were wrong - only if they do not do so would they receive punishment.

I also take this opportunity to humbly submit my candidacy for the position of arbiter of orthodoxy.

edit: I understand that this proposition might sound somewhat authoritarian. There can be ways of making it more democratic, so that regular posters may challenge an incorrect post themselves. Here is an amendment to my original proposal: a post that is quoted and replied to with the :thermidor: emote by several other posters would also be moved to the quarantine thread, and its author would also have to self-crit. Collective, democratic justice!

thanks but I think a D&D without any threads except one for each flavor of communism would be extremely boring

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AGGGGH BEES
Apr 28, 2018

by LITERALLY AN ADMIN
Nah he's been posting like that for years.

AGGGGH BEES
Apr 28, 2018

by LITERALLY AN ADMIN
Since apparently it's an unwritten rule anyways mabye you should actually add that saying "I'm voting for Trump" is bannable

ps I'm voting for Trump

(USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)

AGGGGH BEES
Apr 28, 2018

by LITERALLY AN ADMIN

Hieronymous Alloy posted:

Being a trump voter is not an auto ban

but it correlates very highly with other behaviors which are bannable, such as being a jackass / racist / idiot / bad poster / white supremacist / etc.

If D&D banned people for being jackasses, idiots and bad posters consistently there'd be about 3 posters left

AGGGGH BEES
Apr 28, 2018

by LITERALLY AN ADMIN
I dont know anything about mnoba but after seeing that ban reason and seeing how LK acts around the forums I'm not inclined to believe the protestations of "oh it was because of his post history"

Also, if your first reaction to seeing someone post an opinion you disagree with is to insult them or go mining through their post history like a fat communist Inspector Gadget then you are one of the problems with D&D and not them.

Greater punishments for going off topic in any particular thread would be a good thing. PPJ has been doing that with the Venezuela thread and it's helped quiet things down in there a bit because some of the serial threadshitters are spending more time on probation.

AGGGGH BEES
Apr 28, 2018

by LITERALLY AN ADMIN

Unoriginal Name posted:

Despite this forum being both dead and gay, this is an arguable point. More than one writer for a mass media outlet reads and posts here.

I hate to break this to you, but twitter talking heads and people who shout into the void from medium articles or wordpress blogs arn't part of mass media. Absolutely no political writer of importance gives even the tiniest bit of a poo poo about D&D or even knows it exists.

BENGHAZI 2 posted:

Yes

This specific example came up like two pages aho my guy

killin' babies to own the right

AGGGGH BEES
Apr 28, 2018

by LITERALLY AN ADMIN
No I just think that people who want to kill perfectly viable babies because women's rights have disgusting morals.

AGGGGH BEES
Apr 28, 2018

by LITERALLY AN ADMIN
You can think killing babies that could survive outside of the mother is wrong and not be in favor of a complete abortion ban. It isn't exactly a controversial or strange position to have. It just seems that way to you because this forum is considerably further left than most of the US population.

AGGGGH BEES
Apr 28, 2018

by LITERALLY AN ADMIN
The last couple posts I made in this thread perfectly encapsulate why not very much actual debate and discussion happens here: all too many people automatically assume that holding a position that isn't part of forums left wing orthodoxy is posting in bad faith and then proceed to shitpost up a storm.

AGGGGH BEES
Apr 28, 2018

by LITERALLY AN ADMIN
I like both of those rules. It draws special attention to low content shitposts (which are a perennial problem) and people who just try to bury others in :words:.

AGGGGH BEES
Apr 28, 2018

by LITERALLY AN ADMIN
That seems like it would fall under the effort being met with no effort clause.

AGGGGH BEES
Apr 28, 2018

by LITERALLY AN ADMIN

Zachack posted:

It's useful to argue against people with bad ideas because sometimes they'll present new or sorta-cleverly repackaged arguments and it's good practice to be effective at countering those arguments when not on SA. It's also important to sometimes recognize that the best outcomes often come with significant drawbacks, and being able to absorb/counter attacks based on those drawbacks is really important if you don't want to be standing there like a loving chump when someone says "are you in favor of zombie Tammany Hall?!?". And before you start down the path of "everyone on the correct side would never make a bad argument or give credence to racists", it was super loving depressing watching Amergin wander into D&D, toss out some fairly lightweight conservative argument, and seeing 1/3+ of the thread line up for some quick dunks and then smash their teeth into the rim while handing Amergin the ball. Like, it was straight up pathetic that they couldn't handle the simplest arguments without simultaneously making really lovely counterarguments and flaming out. And that's because most goons (and people) tend to align with group opinions even though their understanding of the details is extremely lacking (and Twitter truly makes this so much worse).

And frankly it's useful to see the "correct side" arguments that are also poo poo and then arguing against them because those arguments usually aren't manifesting from the aether and you may run into them elsewhere. If someone says voter ID is bad because it'll let the government track who has the autism-causing MMR vaccine or round up my guns for the Y2K reptillian-FEMA death camp or even just base misanthropy then you should take the opportunity to argue them down even though they are correct that voter ID in the US is bad.

Now here's someone who is mod material. 20 years of posts with an almost empty rapsheet and an actual sense of perspective.

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AGGGGH BEES
Apr 28, 2018

by LITERALLY AN ADMIN
I'd like it if derailing a thread about some foreign topic to bloviate on and on and on about the US was made probateable.

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