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Applewhite
Aug 16, 2014

by vyelkin
Nap Ghost

Ghost Leviathan posted:

It is real and it is an entire genre

I'm pretty sure an ex mod used to write werewolf incest gay rape porn at least in the same ballpark

How is it a distinct genre from just regular werewolf incest gay rape porn?

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Alien Sex Manual
Dec 14, 2010

is not a sandwich

The stink of writing fanfic is on me, and even I think it’s kind of silly to give an award to fan fiction.

Yes, pretty much all of human literature is derived from other literature, but when you’re just using other people’s characters and settings to tell your story about gay cannibal mermaids in high school that’s just loving lazy.

Applewhite
Aug 16, 2014

by vyelkin
Nap Ghost

Labes for days posted:

The stink of writing fanfic is on me, and even I think it’s kind of silly to give an award to fan fiction.

Yes, pretty much all of human literature is derived from other literature, but when you’re just using other people’s characters and settings to tell your story about gay cannibal mermaids in high school that’s just loving lazy.

I think writing fanfiction is a legit jumping off point to original fiction. Sometimes you just need to start in familiar territory before you try something more daring.

Ghost Leviathan
Mar 2, 2017

Exploration is ill-advised.

Applewhite posted:

How is it a distinct genre from just regular werewolf incest gay rape porn?

There's very particular totally-not-gender-roles involved


Labes for days posted:

The stink of writing fanfic is on me, and even I think it’s kind of silly to give an award to fan fiction.

Yes, pretty much all of human literature is derived from other literature, but when you’re just using other people’s characters and settings to tell your story about gay cannibal mermaids in high school that’s just loving lazy.

wasn't there actual tumblr flamewars over gay cannibal mermaid Hamilton fanfic 'gentrifying cannibalism'?

Who What Now
Sep 10, 2006

by Azathoth
Nice, you used my post as your av text

Xotl
May 28, 2001

Be seeing you.
They should have been daring and picked a specific SuperWhoLockPony fic.

Applewhite
Aug 16, 2014

by vyelkin
Nap Ghost

Xotl posted:

This is the genre nerd equivalent of when Time Magazine decided "You" were the Person of the Year.

You said "you," referring to me. The correct answer is "you."

Pick
Jul 19, 2009
Nap Ghost

Mooey Cow posted:

Does this mean the judges have actually read all that stuff, or is it more of a principle thing? Like when TIME said "it's you, you're the person of the year" when they don't even know me and most certainly would not make me person of the year if they did.

it's a principle thing, and an attention grab

that said, the Hugos are stupid so put your work on there immediately so you can Win

Applewhite
Aug 16, 2014

by vyelkin
Nap Ghost

Pick posted:

it's a principle thing, and an attention grab

that said, the Hugos are stupid so put your work on there immediately so you can Win

Yes... I will put some work on there, since I haven't already, you see... <_< >_>

Ghost Leviathan
Mar 2, 2017

Exploration is ill-advised.
Fanfiction is genuinely where a lot of authors cut their teeth but for the love of god you're not supposed to talk about it

Starks
Sep 24, 2006

Applewhite posted:

I think writing fanfiction is a legit jumping off point to original fiction. Sometimes you just need to start in familiar territory before you try something more daring.

True actually, a lot of people don’t know this but Tolkien got started by writing tentacle rape poems about Norse gods in the beowulf world

Applewhite
Aug 16, 2014

by vyelkin
Nap Ghost

Ghost Leviathan posted:

Fanfiction is genuinely where a lot of authors cut their teeth but for the love of god you're not supposed to talk about it

I'm kind of interested in the philosophical distinction between a fanfic author and a professional writer who is hired on to the writing staff of a TV show they enjoyed as a fan before getting hired.

Applewhite
Aug 16, 2014

by vyelkin
Nap Ghost

Starks posted:

True actually, a lot of people don’t know this but Tolkien got started by writing tentacle rape poems about Norse gods in the beowulf world

Go on

Starks
Sep 24, 2006

Tainted by addviolence, VocaSonic
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The next Faulkner?

Xotl
May 28, 2001

Be seeing you.

Applewhite posted:

I'm kind of interested in the philosophical distinction between a fanfic author and a professional writer who is hired on to the writing staff of a TV show they enjoyed as a fan before getting hired.

Or pastiche writing.

I'm more annoyed at the generic / blanket approach of it than any specific complaint about fanfiction. "Let's just nominate the whole drat thing and everything in it; I'm sure something is good there somewhere."

Ghost Leviathan
Mar 2, 2017

Exploration is ill-advised.

Xotl posted:

Or pastiche writing.

I'm more annoyed at the generic / blanket approach of it than any specific complaint about fanfiction. "Let's just nominate the whole drat thing and everything in it; I'm sure something is good there somewhere."

Thing is if they nominated anything specific I'm pretty sure they'd find themselves in legal poo poo from the owner of the IP in question or at least facing blacklisting for promoting a work they can't profit from.

Who What Now
Sep 10, 2006

by Azathoth
It's super weird that like 90% of the stories are gay rape.

Applewhite
Aug 16, 2014

by vyelkin
Nap Ghost

Who What Now posted:

It's super weird that like 90% of the stories are gay rape.

And the other 10% are ray gape

(Ray Romano getting his rear end in a top hat gaped, but consentually).

Starks
Sep 24, 2006

One of the most popular and well known prizes in modern fiction just went to a website with thousands of sonic fanfics that you can sort by type of rape and no poo poo, “underage”, and the website for making fun of the Internet is going “well what’s the difference between this and tv?”

We really are dead and gay, nice meltdown etc.

Applewhite
Aug 16, 2014

by vyelkin
Nap Ghost

Starks posted:

One of the most popular and well known prizes in modern fiction just went to a website with thousands of sonic fanfics that you can sort by type of rape and no poo poo, “underage”, and the website for making fun of the Internet is going “well what’s the difference between this and tv?”

We really are dead and gay, nice meltdown etc.

That seems like a deliberately obtuse misinterpretation of what I said but w/e.

Grillfiend
Nov 29, 2015

Belgians ITT
(ie Me)


Starks posted:

One of the most popular and well known prizes in modern fiction just went to a website with thousands of sonic fanfics that you can sort by type of rape and no poo poo, “underage”, and the website for making fun of the Internet is going “well what’s the difference between this and tv?”

We really are dead and gay, nice meltdown etc.

it's only a nomination, nobody's won poo poo yet

Nice Guy Patron
Jun 29, 2015
Is the guy that wrote fairy torture fantasies in this thing?

Nice Guy Patron
Jun 29, 2015

Applewhite posted:

I'm kind of interested in the philosophical distinction between a fanfic author and a professional writer who is hired on to the writing staff of a TV show they enjoyed as a fan before getting hired.

I mean, the guy on the tv show is exposed to criticism and an editing process. The fanfic guy isn't and can choose to ignore any feedback and never improve.

Blade Runner
Aug 14, 2015

Fanfiction is bad

Applewhite
Aug 16, 2014

by vyelkin
Nap Ghost

my dog died im sad posted:

I mean, the guy on the tv show is exposed to criticism and an editing process. The fanfic guy isn't and can choose to ignore any feedback and never improve.

We need a bunch of TV executives as moderators for Archiveofourown.

Nice Guy Patron
Jun 29, 2015
That's not at all what I said.

Applewhite
Aug 16, 2014

by vyelkin
Nap Ghost

my dog died im sad posted:

That's not at all what I said.

I was making a joke riffing on your comment.

Nice Guy Patron
Jun 29, 2015

Applewhite posted:

I was making a joke riffing on your comment.

Ah, gotcha. Mea Culpa.

Dazerbeams
Jul 8, 2009

You guys are laughing but Fifty Shades of Grey is literally just terrible fanfiction. When my mid life crisis hits, I'm going to start writing smut until I hit the jackpot.

Who What Now
Sep 10, 2006

by Azathoth
You joke but the market for Kindle porn is booming.

Dazerbeams
Jul 8, 2009

Who What Now posted:

You joke but the market for Kindle porn is booming.

I am only halfway joking. The real money is in making the next YA series though. I don't know what our future generations are going to be into, but I'm not sure dog dicks are it.

Alien Sex Manual
Dec 14, 2010

is not a sandwich

Ghost Leviathan posted:

Fanfiction is genuinely where a lot of authors cut their teeth but for the love of god you're not supposed to talk about it

^^^

That’s the thing, so many people get stuck there and that’s not a good thing to start rewarding...

Pick
Jul 19, 2009
Nap Ghost

my dog died im sad posted:

I mean, the guy on the tv show is exposed to criticism and an editing process. The fanfic guy isn't and can choose to ignore any feedback and never improve.

The writer if worst book ever "Ship It!" Was a supernatural porn writer who now works on Riverdale

Mooey Cow
Jan 27, 2018

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS
Pillbug

Pick posted:

that said, the Hugos are stupid so put your work on there immediately so you can Win

Really, you think I can win? I have a whole bunch of stories about lonely semi-depressed guys ending up in Weird Hotels and meeting mysterious cleaning staff.

But there's only implied cum in one of them I don't stand a chance :(

Pick
Jul 19, 2009
Nap Ghost
If it's on there you're a contributor and thus a nominee

You deserve it!!

Applewhite
Aug 16, 2014

by vyelkin
Nap Ghost

Pick posted:

The writer if worst book ever "Ship It!" Was a supernatural porn writer who now works on Riverdale

And it shows! I couldn't even finish one episode of Riverdale.

Pick
Jul 19, 2009
Nap Ghost

Applewhite posted:

And it shows! I couldn't even finish one episode of Riverdale.

what's amazing is that her book is actually worse

Milkfred E. Moore
Aug 27, 2006

'It's easier to imagine the end of the world than the end of capitalism.'

Dazerbeams posted:

You guys are laughing but Fifty Shades of Grey is literally just terrible fanfiction. When my mid life crisis hits, I'm going to start writing smut until I hit the jackpot.

i think someone's one direction fanfiction got published in a similar way. what a joke

Who What Now posted:

You joke but the market for Kindle porn is booming.

the real money is in litrpgs and gamelit. i think the biggest names make like 20,000 USD a month off kindle.

Blurry Gray Thing
Jun 3, 2009

Grandma Panic! posted:

If it's a hot take to think this idiot crap for retards doesn't deserve a Hugo nomination then I'm flaming.

The Hugo awards don't matter or mean poo poo anymore.

Well, yeah, that's what the people who started making all these troll nominations are trying to say with them.

S'what made Chuck Tingle extra-famous, btw. They nominated his books.

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Pick
Jul 19, 2009
Nap Ghost
the book Ship It! has a plot point where a fangirl gets to travel around the country with the actors on her favorite show because she pointed out at a convention that it's wrong for the characters to not be loving, and in her travels w/ them she writes fanfiction about the actual ACTORS loving, which leads them to realize that she was right all along and they should gently caress. this is original fiction btw.

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