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This thread is to discuss the films of Lana and Lilly Wachowski such as The Matrix, Jupiter Ascending, or Cloud Atlas I appreciate that they are always very ambitious in scope and willing to make films that fall a little bit outside of the mainstream. Even if I don't always like their movies, I always find them at least interesting and an glad that they are out there making weird stuff.
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The Matrix is a perfect movie. Every last bit of it rules.
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Apr 3, 2019 20:57
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These dudes know how to make a movie! Sorry to hear about these guys broke brains though. PS...they're guys (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST) (USER WAS BANNED FOR THIS POST)
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Apr 3, 2019 22:33
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For shame. Your OP didn't include the first movie anyone should pop into their bluray player to test a new tv, Speed Racer.
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Apr 3, 2019 22:36
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Nobody even engage, it's not worth it. Anyway, one piece of trashy fun that I seem to somehow watch like once a year is Ninja Assassin, which the Wachowskis didn't direct but they did produce it.
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Apr 3, 2019 22:52
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Are they making things anymore?
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Apr 3, 2019 23:03
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The Wachowskis are amazing pop filmmakers.
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Apr 3, 2019 23:06
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Detective No. 27 posted:For shame. Your OP didn't include the first movie anyone should pop into their bluray player to test a new tv, Speed Racer. it's criminal that this movie wasnt better received
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Apr 4, 2019 04:16
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Uncle Wemus posted:Are they making things anymore? the last thing they made was the netflix series Sense8 which is an absolutely bonkers but highly watchable show
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Apr 4, 2019 04:59
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MY INEVITABLE DEBT posted:it's criminal that this movie wasnt better received I'll never understand that reception that movie got. I had an absolute blast when I saw it.
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Apr 4, 2019 05:08
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Flying Zamboni posted:I appreciate that they are always very ambitious in scope and willing to make films that fall a little bit outside of the mainstream. Even if I don't always like their movies, I always find them at least interesting and an glad that they are out there making weird stuff. I used to appreciate their shtick because I figured well maybe one day they'll make a good movie*. But nope they never did. *outside of Matrix 1 when youre a teenager.
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Apr 4, 2019 06:33
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side_burned posted:I'll never understand that reception that movie got. I had an absolute blast when I saw it. ill watch that poo poo anytime. and to no ones surprise it goes great with drugs.
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Apr 4, 2019 06:35
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side_burned posted:I'll never understand that reception that movie got. I had an absolute blast when I saw it. During that finish line scene I think I passed through a rift and achieved a higher plane of existence
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Apr 4, 2019 06:40
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The Saddest Rhino posted:the last thing they made was the netflix series Sense8 which is an absolutely bonkers but highly watchable show It's an almost obnoxiously woke and saccharine show at times with some pretty decent action scenes on top of a heavily convoluted conspiracy plot and the whole thing is a hot mess and I miss it dearly. It's a shame they had to squeeze in two or three seasons worth of storylines into the movie but at least it got an ending. e: Sense8 also made me "get" the rave scene in Reloaded, somehow Cacator fucked around with this message at 08:09 on Apr 4, 2019 |
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Apr 4, 2019 07:12
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Recently binged Sense8 with my wife and I thought it was okay (she loved it though). However, I knew almost nothing about it and for some reason thought it was a superhero drama although I guess it kind of is on a smaller scale. Also, was totally not ready for some of those scenes. I loved Speed Racer as well and I legitimately almost cheered out loud at the ending race when I watched it in the theater. Gorgeous visuals as well.
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Apr 4, 2019 07:35
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Uncle Wemus posted:Are they making things anymore? They sold their production offices last year and a friend of theirs claimed Lana said they “accomplished everything they set out to do.”
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Apr 4, 2019 08:12
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In other words..."noone wants to give us money anymore"
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Apr 4, 2019 08:20
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to be fair it's not often you get a budget to film international psychic orgies
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Apr 4, 2019 08:33
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banned from Starbucks posted:I used to appreciate their shtick because I figured well maybe one day they'll make a good movie*. But nope they never did. Bound. That is all.
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Apr 4, 2019 11:31
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The big problem with Speed Racer is that it starts with one of the best scenes in the movie. That multi-layered flashback race where Speed races the ghost of his brother is so loving great and a masterclass in editing.
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Apr 4, 2019 17:55
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side_burned posted:I'll never understand that reception that movie got. I had an absolute blast when I saw it.
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Apr 4, 2019 19:04
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banned from Starbucks posted:In other words..."noone wants to give us money anymore" Honestly, it's probably a little of both this and their stated reason.  I wouldn't be surprised if everything they've made floundering, plus their personal lives being fairly busy, kinda dried up the creative juices.
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Apr 4, 2019 19:06
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I have to admit I have a fondness for the Wachowskis as creators more than I have fondness for their creations. I have pretty much hated nearly every movie they have made but it certainly wasn't for a lack of ambition. They swing real hard for the fences every time.
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Apr 4, 2019 19:12
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Mel Mudkiper posted:I have to admit I have a fondness for the Wachowskis as creators more than I have fondness for their creations. Even The Matrix? I kind of have no use for anything else they made, but I feel like it really does hold up.
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Apr 4, 2019 19:14
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LORD OF BOOTY posted:Honestly, it's probably a little of both this and their stated reason. I think they probably just don't want to compromise by going into projects with less money than what they feel they really need to get their vision on-screen. I can understand it, they attained a level where they had near total creative freedom to spend as much money as they needed to on all their projects, so why go backwards? It's not like they need to work, they're fine financially. I'm certain that if they wanted to make a movie for 40 or 50 million, the money would be there, but typically their ideas are too big for that kind of budget.
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Apr 4, 2019 19:15
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sean10mm posted:Even The Matrix? Thats why I said nearly every movie I will always stan hard for first Matrix
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Apr 4, 2019 19:16
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Pirate Jet posted:They sold their production offices last year and a friend of theirs claimed Lana said they “accomplished everything they set out to do.” I appreciate this. But I did kinda like Speed Racer I guess.
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Apr 4, 2019 19:21
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Like, the Wachowskis did Cloud Atlas even though the book was kinda aimless and bloated and would never make a good movie but they still loving did it and I have to admire that at least And they actually made Cloud Atlas, unlike the guys who tried to make the similarly unfilmable Winter's Tale and just tossed out 95% of the book.
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Apr 4, 2019 19:23
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I wish I felt capable of doing a Cloud Atlas effort post but the thing is so dense and I feel like after watching it several times I still don't quite have a handle on it. The fact is that most people don't think Cloud Atlas is good, but I'd ask people to watch it and judge for themselves because you may be someone like me who just clicks with it.
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Apr 4, 2019 19:27
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Basebf555 posted:I wish I felt capable of doing a Cloud Atlas effort post but the thing is so dense and I feel like after watching it several times I still don't quite have a handle on it. Its an incredibly faithful adaptation of an unfilmable book and its fascinating in that regard
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Apr 4, 2019 19:29
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Mel Mudkiper posted:Its an incredibly faithful adaptation of an unfilmable book and its fascinating in that regard Beyond that though, the movie resonates with me in a very emotional way that I can't quite pin down. And the full spectrum of emotions too, there's some really tragic stuff there that gets me every time I see it, as ridiculous as the movie may seem if you just look at certain screenshots.
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Apr 4, 2019 19:32
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Basebf555 posted:Beyond that though, the movie resonates with me in a very emotional way that I can't quite pin down. And the full spectrum of emotions too, there's some really tragic stuff there that gets me every time I see it, as ridiculous as the movie may seem if you just look at certain screenshots. For curiousity's sake, have you read the book? I would be interested in knowing if the book had the same impact or not.
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Apr 4, 2019 19:32
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Mel Mudkiper posted:For curiousity's sake, have you read the book? I haven't actually, I probably should.
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Apr 4, 2019 19:36
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Basebf555 posted:I haven't actually, I probably should. Its interesting because I think a lot of the issues the audience has with the movie come from the fact they tried to adapt the book too faithfully. Like, its literally an adaptation of the book to film completely indifferent to the fact the book's pacing is completely separate from anything resembling traditional film-making Its also a shame they did it before the rise of the limited episode big budget prestige mini-series If they had sat on it another five or six years they could have done wonders with it on HBO
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Apr 4, 2019 19:42
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Mel Mudkiper posted:I have to admit I have a fondness for the Wachowskis as creators more than I have fondness for their creations. The Wachowskis are interesting to me because they’re one of the few filmmakers I can think of that has an uncompromised filmography. There’s nothing they made to get paid, nothing limited by the studio. They just kind of do whatever they want. Sometimes it’s serious, sometimes it’s silly. They can play to the rafters, and then bring things down to quiet character moments. It’s almost hard to define what makes a Wachowski film beyond “boldly ambitious,” which is a hell of a director trademark.
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Apr 4, 2019 19:43
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Fart City posted:The Wachowskis are interesting to me because they’re one of the few filmmakers I can think of that has an uncompromised filmography. There’s nothing they made to get paid, nothing limited by the studio. They just kind of do whatever they want. Sometimes it’s serious, sometimes it’s silly. They can play to the rafters, and then bring things down to quiet character moments. It’s almost hard to define what makes a Wachowski film beyond “boldly ambitious,” which is a hell of a director trademark. Yeah, they are filmmakers I don't enjoy but I certainly respect
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Apr 4, 2019 19:47
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What stands out to me about the Matrix sequels is how disconnected they feel from the first film. That film is surprisingly gritty and tactile and visceral. People get dirty, the violence veers into being uncomfortable, there's outright body horror. Looking at it, you can practically smell the smells that Agent Smith is complaining about. The very next movie we've got Neo fighting 1,000 clones of Agent Smith where nobody feels anything and everybody is just flopping around. Not just because there's more CGI, but the scenes with actual human actors & stuntmen are more inert too. The sequels are sterile and weightless on a fundamental level that goes way beyond "They used lots of early 2000s CGI" or whatever. They do much less while using much more of everything - more runtime, more money, more effects. They're not exactly cash-in sequels, because they're still way too weird to be generic Hollywood blockbusters, but they come across more like fanfic writ INCREDIBLY large than than a natural continuation by the original auteurs. Mad Max: Fury Road is like the spiritual antithesis of the Matrix sequels.
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Apr 4, 2019 19:56
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sean10mm posted:What stands out to me about the Matrix sequels is how disconnected they feel from the first film. I think the biggest failure of the Matrix sequels is that they turned subtext in content. A lot of the interesting questions of the Matrix were under the surface. The sequels made them explicit. It was like they no longer trusted the audience to think about the movie. Or, the studio gave them the freedom to no longer have to hide their ideas. There was also the fact the sequels suffered from "explainism" . The coolest thing about the first movie was that there was still a spiritual element to the world despite the fact it was apocalypticly technological. Like, there is a loving Oracle. The sequels tried to make the spiritual elements of the story coherent within the technological setting and ruined them. Like, they literally said "the oracle was programmed to know the future" which is A. nonsense B. lame as hell
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Apr 4, 2019 20:01
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I actually respect the sequels for just how weird and esoteric they get. Like, you create arguably the biggest cultural touchstone since, what, Jurassic Park? Star Wars? And you are given free reign to do whatever you want. It would have been so easy for them to stick in the wheelhouse of the first film and just repeat it with a new coat of paint. Instead you get like, vampires and orgasm cakes and Cornel loving West. It feels like an authentic “oh poo poo we may not get this chance again, let’s just go for it” deal.
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Apr 4, 2019 20:02
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Fart City posted:I actually respect the sequels for just how weird and esoteric they get. Like, you create arguably the biggest cultural touchstone since, what, Jurassic Park? Star Wars? And you are given free reign to do whatever you want. It would have been so easy for them to stick in the wheelhouse of the first film and just repeat it with a new coat of paint. Instead you get like, vampires and orgasm cakes and Cornel loving West. It feels like an authentic “oh poo poo we may not get this chance again, let’s just go for it” deal. Oh I agree. My frustration is that they, in the immortal words of Jurassic Park "were so focused on whether they could that they didn't think about if they should"
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