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Lastgirl
Sep 7, 1997


Good Morning!
Sunday Morning!
OP its a condition that when ur pancreas cant make insulin

and now people are trying to gouge insulin prices by 300% or whatever

anyways vote bernie so you can get healthcare and cheaper insulin so that u arent dialetic or whatever ok thank u bye





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Chokes McGee
Aug 7, 2008

This is Urotsuki.
ö <- a dialectic

Homocow
Apr 24, 2007

Extremely bad poster!
DO NOT QUOTE!


Pillbug
dialectrics are basically insulators, it has to do with material properties which is why leftist talk about material conditions so much

i might be profoundly mistaken tho.... I think insulators have something to do with diabetes too?

Mayor Dave
Feb 20, 2009

Bernie the Snow Clown
The dialectic is when your body can't process sugar correctly

Mayor Dave
Feb 20, 2009

Bernie the Snow Clown
E: that's what I get for leaving the response window open and then post without refreshing

mormonpartyboat
Jan 14, 2015

by Reene
im embedding dialectics under the skin between my fingers

Ben Nerevarine
Apr 14, 2006
code:
Thesis----Antithesis
   \        /
    \      /
     \    /
   Diabetis

Halloween Jack
Sep 12, 2003
Probation
Can't post for 10 hours!

Former DILF posted:

how about a dialickdick and its when two people suck you off
What if it's guyalectic and it's just for the fellas

Chokes McGee
Aug 7, 2008

This is Urotsuki.
dinceletic

ikanreed
Sep 25, 2009

I honestly I have no idea who cannibal[SIC] is and I do not know why I should know.

syq dude, just syq!
It's when I tell people to shut the gently caress up until they do, exclusively online

Christoph
Mar 3, 2005
in the manner of people who speak with a regional accent

Siljmonster
Dec 16, 2005

by LITERALLY AN ADMIN
Turning up the dialectics to 11

BrutalistMcDonalds
Oct 4, 2012


Lipstick Apathy
thesis

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2oD0W6SSBUA

antithesis:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qOfkwm_Yz0Q

synthesis:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5jqOSDq0Ssc

BrutalistMcDonalds
Oct 4, 2012


Lipstick Apathy
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NRfgKrmI9Po

Acelerion
May 3, 2005

Dead Beef posted:

dialectrics are basically insulators, it has to do with material properties which is why leftist talk about material conditions so much

i might be profoundly mistaken tho.... I think insulators have something to do with diabetes too?

As the electric field induces response in a material it forces a separation, a polarization of charges. But so to does this separation of charge generate its own field keeping them locked in a cyclic influence.

Gazpacho
Jun 18, 2004

by Fluffdaddy
Slippery Tilde
Dialectical truth is created between opposites. Gene Ray wrote about this a lot.

Hilario Baldness
Feb 10, 2005

:buddy:



Grimey Drawer
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x7wstDNtlmE

Gazpacho
Jun 18, 2004

by Fluffdaddy
Slippery Tilde
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h5JXrP8yv8o&t=42s

twoday
May 4, 2005



C-SPAM Times best-selling author
Dialectical materialism leads to an interpretation of history known as historical materialism

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ojR86ivIhQ8

Kobayashi
Aug 13, 2004

by Nyc_Tattoo
Every time I click into this thread I leave feeling simultaneously a little smarter and a whole lot dumber.

A Big Fuckin Hornet
Nov 1, 2016

by Nyc_Tattoo

Kobayashi posted:

Every time I click into this thread I leave feeling simultaneously a little smarter and a whole lot dumber.

https://twitter.com/unhaunting/status/469544578597789697?lang=en

Kobayashi
Aug 13, 2004

by Nyc_Tattoo

R. Guyovich posted:

more accurate to have no end and an endless chain of thesis-antithesis-synthesis. teleology is so 18th century

Teleology is another one of those wtf terms for me, I think it’s the idea that there’s some grand plan or defined end state of history? And the Marxist would say nah that poo poo doesn’t exist? I feel like makes it sound like nihilism though, which isn’t how I understand the term.

mormonpartyboat
Jan 14, 2015

by Reene

Kobayashi posted:

Teleology is another one of those wtf terms for me, I think it’s the idea that there’s some grand plan or defined end state of history? And the Marxist would say nah that poo poo doesn’t exist? I feel like makes it sound like nihilism though, which isn’t how I understand the term.

telelology is the use of modern communication networks to lol at maoists

Gazpacho
Jun 18, 2004

by Fluffdaddy
Slippery Tilde
lol is he actually following brian meyers' analysis? what a lib

animist
Aug 28, 2018
apoplectic for the dialectic

Larry Parrish
Jul 9, 2012

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS

Kobayashi posted:

Teleology is another one of those wtf terms for me, I think it’s the idea that there’s some grand plan or defined end state of history? And the Marxist would say nah that poo poo doesn’t exist? I feel like makes it sound like nihilism though, which isn’t how I understand the term.

liberals believe in an end to social progress, so yeah. maybe a Marxist could claim that direct anarchistic democracy in a post-scarcity situation could be the 'end', but you'd probably look like a liberal to everyone. i dont think its wrong to say that we cant imagine the future past one or two steps, and while it might end, it hasn't yet.

Helianthus Annuus
Feb 21, 2006

can i touch your hand
Grimey Drawer

Captain Billy Pissboy posted:

Thesis: I want to bang my maid
Antithesis: I am married

*Marx thinking harder than he ever thought*

Synthesis: Wait til the family is away and bang my maid

i want to bang this post

been laughing about it since yesterday

twoday
May 4, 2005



C-SPAM Times best-selling author
Actual question:

Thesis: Marx's theories are based upon a certain interpretation of the progression of history, and this information was used by him to extrapolate information about the progression of humanity in the present and the future.

Anti-thesis: Our knowledge of the past is inherently incomplete and subjective. Each time period has its own limited understanding of the past. Does Marx's limited understanding of the past render his theories invalid? If not, why not? If they are still valid, what makes them valid, if it's not an accurate interpretation of the past?

Eox
Jun 20, 2010

by Fluffdaddy
Synthesis: have you got a better idea

Helianthus Annuus
Feb 21, 2006

can i touch your hand
Grimey Drawer

twoday posted:

Actual question:

Thesis: Marx's theories are based upon a certain interpretation of the progression of history, and this information was used by him to extrapolate information about the progression of humanity in the present and the future.

Anti-thesis: Our knowledge of the past is inherently incomplete and subjective. Each time period has its own limited understanding of the past. Does Marx's limited understanding of the past render his theories invalid? If not, why not? If they are still valid, what makes them valid, if it's not an accurate interpretation of the past?

the trivial cop-out answer is that marxist thought is an ongoing process that explicitly responds to changes in material conditions. that includes responding to an evolving understanding of history.

marx was responding to and critiquing capitalism in his time as he understood it, and marxists today do the same in our time. the connection is the tools that we use (historical materialism, dialectics) and the point of view we bring with us (class, workers as producers of value and capitalists as appropriators of value).

but i feel like you're coming at marx from a rationalist/empiricist standpoint if you're thinking about it in terms of "incorrect information yields incorrect theories". i suppose what you're really getting at is "how do we know marx was right?" from my standpoint, that's a simpler, but equally fraught way to think about it (whats it mean to be "right" in this context?)

im gonna have to let someone who actually did the assigned reading unpack this for you

Prav
Oct 29, 2011

psychohistory is science fiction, op

twoday
May 4, 2005



C-SPAM Times best-selling author

Helianthus Annuus posted:

the trivial cop-out answer is that marxist thought is an ongoing process that explicitly responds to changes in material conditions. that includes responding to an evolving understanding of history.

marx was responding to and critiquing capitalism in his time as he understood it, and marxists today do the same in our time. the connection is the tools that we use (historical materialism, dialectics) and the point of view we bring with us (class, workers as producers of value and capitalists as appropriators of value).

but i feel like you're coming at marx from a rationalist/empiricist standpoint if you're thinking about it in terms of "incorrect information yields incorrect theories". i suppose what you're really getting at is "how do we know marx was right?" from my standpoint, that's a simpler, but equally fraught way to think about it (whats it mean to be "right" in this context?)

im gonna have to let someone who actually did the assigned reading unpack this for you

Yes, the first two paragraphs of your post were the conclusions I came to myself.

As for how I’m approaching it, I’m not sure, I was just thinking about the subjective nature of history and then thought of this. I don’t want to know if Marx was right because I’m not sure if it’s possible for someone to be right about something (because, once again, subjectivity). So then the question becomes how to reinterpret his ideas in light of new historical information, and indeed the answer I came to was to go beyond his own personal theories and look towards the process of dialectical materialism (and other analytical tools) that came about after Marx.

Dean of Swing
Feb 22, 2012
Twitter is great because the summation of every conflict between thesis and anthesis is being a terminally online dipshit.

R. Guyovich
Dec 25, 1991

Kobayashi posted:

Teleology is another one of those wtf terms for me, I think it’s the idea that there’s some grand plan or defined end state of history? And the Marxist would say nah that poo poo doesn’t exist? I feel like makes it sound like nihilism though, which isn’t how I understand the term.

marxists don't believe in a kind of millenarian stageist process where things resolve themselves, nor do we think history is this forward progression where there's an end in sight and the slow march gets us where we want to be eventually. you have to a) be involved in history, actively working to shape it in the direction you want, and b) history is just as capable of regressing as it is progressing, which means you're doing the world a disservice if you don't follow a).

R. Guyovich
Dec 25, 1991

twoday posted:

Yes, the first two paragraphs of your post were the conclusions I came to myself.

As for how I’m approaching it, I’m not sure, I was just thinking about the subjective nature of history and then thought of this. I don’t want to know if Marx was right because I’m not sure if it’s possible for someone to be right about something (because, once again, subjectivity). So then the question becomes how to reinterpret his ideas in light of new historical information, and indeed the answer I came to was to go beyond his own personal theories and look towards the process of dialectical materialism (and other analytical tools) that came about after Marx.

have you read socialism: utopian and scientific?

twoday
May 4, 2005



C-SPAM Times best-selling author
Thanks for the tip, read the first third and will read the rest in the coming days. I already have some thoughts but I'll finish it first

Helianthus Annuus
Feb 21, 2006

can i touch your hand
Grimey Drawer

twoday posted:

Yes, the first two paragraphs of your post were the conclusions I came to myself.

As for how I’m approaching it, I’m not sure, I was just thinking about the subjective nature of history and then thought of this. I don’t want to know if Marx was right because I’m not sure if it’s possible for someone to be right about something (because, once again, subjectivity). So then the question becomes how to reinterpret his ideas in light of new historical information, and indeed the answer I came to was to go beyond his own personal theories and look towards the process of dialectical materialism (and other analytical tools) that came about after Marx.

marxism is strong because it doesn't require a rationalist or empiricist epistemology

those epistemologies goof up right out the gate by presuming that knowledge can be independent from the knower -- that theres some independent Standard of Truth that exists outside the material world and outside of history

by deploying the idea of dialectics, we know better to try separating knowledge from the knower. both are to be conceived as part of a holistic system -- the world, materiality

the lesson to learn here is that your initial assumptions matter a lot. for example, if you assume there's such a thing as "class", and you acknowledge and affirm the limitless interconnectivity between "class" and "everything else", then you can comment intelligently on our present circumstances under capitalism.

on the other hand, if you assume that a theory can be proven valid (that there IS a correct theory, and marxism is either it or its not), then you're getting away from dialectics and towards rationalism and/or empiricism. the problem is that you wind up asking questions that cannot be answered

a better question to ask of a theory is whether it "works", whether it's useful. whether it's fruitful or whether it closes up on itself

anyway sorry for the epistemological call out. god bless you for doing the reading

animist
Aug 28, 2018
oops i dropped my MONSTER SYNTHESIS i use for my MAGNUM DIALECTIC

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=us5MGEL5W34

Helianthus Annuus
Feb 21, 2006

can i touch your hand
Grimey Drawer
how about instead of epistemology its "piss tape-ology" and its the study of how to know that the piss tape is real

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Sheng-Ji Yang
Mar 5, 2014



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