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Grevling
Dec 18, 2016

I've been struggling with wrapping my head around this too this is what I think it's about so far somebody tell me if it's wrong:

- Everything is changing all the time
- Things have contradictions within them so they contain their own negation, Socialism comes out of the contradictions within Capitalism for example
- Conflict arises out of the contradictions and make a new thing, which has its own contradictions and so forth

One dialectic could be that people shape their conditions and people's conditions shape them for example.
Or in the classic example Socrates and somebody else having a civilized argument and pointing out the problems in each other's arguments until they hopefully arrive at some big t Truth.

Grevling has issued a correction as of 11:44 on Apr 8, 2019

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Grevling
Dec 18, 2016

No. 1 Apartheid Fan posted:

you just described the "inversion of the dialectic", you already understand it, you just don't know how to put it into college nerd words

hegel thought that ideas and our debating them (internally as individuals and externally via the process of history) was the only thing that really mattered, and what determined "reality"

marx literally inverted that causal relationship, stating that real, material things and resources are what matters and all of our abstract ideas and philosophical debates and notions of what constitutes perfect and imperfect forms are things we make up to rationalize, cope with, justify, etc the conflict between human beings for resources

drat, that helps a lot. This thread should be stickied.

Grevling
Dec 18, 2016

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