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VagueRant
May 24, 2012
This show feels really aimless, just another generic crime show with different factions scheming and dancing around each other and no real driving hook. Doesn't even have the popcorn fun or characterisation of Banshee. You barely feel like you learn more about these characters, they just posture around each other and say the same things.

Which is immensely frustrating as there's SO MUCH POTENTIAL. The setting is amazing, beautifully realised with costuming, sets and shots. The cast is great, the music is rad, the action is solid. The premise and themes of immigration and workers is so relevant. Oh god, it's Black Sails all over again.

Anyway, for as fantastic as 99% of the cast are, Mai Ling feels really miscast. Not a bad actress, but her cutesy little voice and mannerisms make her impossible to see as serious or intimidating in this kind of role. Like you can really see in the scene with Ah Toy this episode because even when she's being acquiescent to Mai Ling, Olivia Cheng has some serious presence and seems like she's the badass in control. (While even outclassing Avasarala from The Expanse for the wildest outfits on TV!)

Glad they're making a lot of use of Hoon Lee lately too. Chao is probably the only character I'm actively rooting for.

mr. unhsib posted:

The actor playing Zing is 58 years old :psyduck: He was on the original 21 Jump Street.
Fully refused to believe this until I googled by the way, jesus christ.

VagueRant fucked around with this message at 14:26 on Oct 27, 2020

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VagueRant
May 24, 2012
The tension with Chao and action spectacle that followed was nice and Banshee-like! The Fung Hui were cartoonishly villainous enough we could happily root for Li, Chao and the cops. Just need a bigger budget so they can give me something like that in the middle of every episode please!

Chao stealing the daughter seemed super hosed up to me though!

CAPTAIN CAPSLOCK posted:

Great job Chao. All you had to do was take the money and leave. Instead you earned yourself an asswhooping.

Based on the preview, next week looks fantastic.
To be fair, think if he'd taken the money, Zing would've gone through similar initiation theatrics with the milk drinking and would've been just as suspicious if he just went along with them too easily.

Oh drat, they got Michael Bisping acting now! Hopefully next week's low-key the equivalent of that western ep from s1, basically whatever the opposite of a bottle episode is.

PaybackJack posted:

That fight was way too dark.

While we have a direction for Ah Sahm it's not exactly a clear path and he isn't making any moves that would put him in a position where he'd be able to command the Tong unless his plan was just to manipulate Jr. into doing what he wanted which seems like a bad plan.
I always wonder if a darkly lit fight scene is a budget/time thing, probably gives them a lot more lenience on debris/injury continuity and stuntwork. Still better than Arrow season 1's climactic fight being two dark cloaked guys rolling around on black gravel at night!

Yeah glad we finally get a goal for the protagonist, but it's vague, weakly motivated and he's just coming off like a petulant jerk.

A good poster posted:

Hong is absolutely guaranteed to be working for the Hop Wei's opium suppliers to find out why orders stopped coming in, right?
He makes me uncomfortable in every scene he's in with that smiling manner, I can't even assess the likelihood of betrayal.

VagueRant
May 24, 2012
This last episode seemed a lot better than most of the season. Manhunt/curfew delivers a status quo change, plenty of characters with clear goals/obstacles, focus on crime or physical threat, and a wonderful lack of high society types talking about trade deals.

Sad to see Ah Toy get basically killed 4 times there (how many hammers to the skull??) and continue to push literally everyone in her life away, but probably a sincere attempt to do what's best for them. Wonder if the bodies of the butchers dressed as police will get addressed.

Still puzzled as to what Mai Ling has on Buckley, thought it'd come up in their carriage talk. (Oh and that Buckley flashback was pretty well done)

And yeah, looks like some budget going into next week!

VagueRant
May 24, 2012
That was an incredible spectacle. Again I'm a little sad that every named character came out unscathed and it wrapped up so quickly. But hopefully we see more fallout from this - and aside from the action, it did give us the great scene with Ah Toy and Mai Ling, and reunite the Juns. Plus very good use of the badass nod to show the two Tongs didn't need to exchange any words - they were in that fight together.

They put out a "behind the episode" video but it was just talking heads, there was no real BTS on the action. I'm especially curious how you do stuntwork with nunchuks. (Andrew Koji did reveal he only had six months practice and deffo hit himself)

VagueRant
May 24, 2012
Show still feels like the politics and gang plotlines just go in circles with zero status quo changes, while casually introducing new baddies they're actually willing to kill off.

But I still gotta tune in for the setting, the actors, and that action! I just wish we'd see more consequences. Teasing us with an Ah Sahm vs Li Yong rematch (ep1), come on.

Other thoughts:
- Buckley is an interesting character but all of his scenes are the worst parts of the show now - except for that one crowd montage, that was actually great.
- Trying to figure out if Ah Sahm's very open collar is just a new costuming decision to add some variation, or him intentionally showing off the vest/tanktop to invoke the mural, or by it being slashed open in that one fight and he just stuck with it.
- Absolutely cheering when the farmgirls stabbed the poo poo out of that guy (ep3). There better be hell to pay.

CAPTAIN CAPSLOCK posted:

Uh, I hope they didn't just write off Penny. I noticed she's not in the opening credits anymore. I can see how that being the end of her storyline, but holy poo poo that would be pretty hosed and disappointing. At least they mentioned that Buckley is still keeping her in the asylum and stealing her husband's money.
I saw a random comment that it was a scheduling conflict but can find no source, looks like she's just off the show. I don't miss the character at all to be honest, and that dark ending makes sense for the time to me. Even if it is REALLY nasty.

VagueRant fucked around with this message at 08:11 on Jul 2, 2023

VagueRant
May 24, 2012
Ah Toy vs Evil Business Guy swordfight foreshadowing?

Curious what'll happen with the Tong leadership if Young Jun is in prison.

Iffy on the progression of the Ah Sahm and Printer Girl romance.

VagueRant
May 24, 2012
I'll forgive the coincidence just because I was glad to see him back.

Open Source Idiom posted:

Hoon Lee is in one of Tropper's seasons of See as well. Olivia Cheng's in both.
Not in a hurry to check out See from what I've seen, but man, Hoon Lee is so good. When watching Warrior, I always forget he was Job in Banshee. Both such distinctive well-drawn characters, gently caress.

VagueRant
May 24, 2012
Kind of irrationally annoyed they didn't loot the poo poo out of that church and hand the guns to the labour force to take it over.

Only really made sense the Juns would go along with the killing spree if there was SOMETHING to get out of it.

The Mai Ling alliance does feel like an actual status quo change for the show, so that's neat. And I fully buy the Chao/Lee decisions made in this story.

VagueRant
May 24, 2012
Agent Mosley's definitely a compelling presence.

Nice seeing Good Guy Li Yong (I'm trying to figure out if we've ever actually seen him do anything evil?) escorting Father Jun. A little confused about what's going on with Father Jun though. Just coincidental after being shot developed rapid onset dementia? Was it the opiates? PTSD from the wound?

There's a lot of tenative peace right now between Leary and Ah Sahm, the Tongs, etc. Speculating if Mai Ling gonna make the wedding a bit of a...Red Wedding?

VagueRant
May 24, 2012
Chief Racism had some hand speed! Was wondering if some of that was done in post!

Not sure how to feel that Mai Ling was actually right and most those dudes were actively talking about killing her (although she couldn't have known this for sure, and she was technically wrong about Dacascos).

Seeing Ah Toy dice that guy was satisfying but what an absolute deadend that plotline was.

CAPTAIN CAPSLOCK posted:

Oh poo poo. Hoon Lee wrote this episode? That is kinda cool.
That's neat, I'm happy for him. Wonder if he wrote himself the best line:
"You have other cousin you forget to kill?"

VagueRant
May 24, 2012
Ah Sahm is a badass action guy and Andrew Koji is great, but the actual characteristion has always been abysmal. From episode one I have struggled to figure out what this guy actually wants and why we should root for him.

So flip flopping from "I love my criminal brothers" to "gently caress everyone, I love my girlfriend and will abandon this life of crime" to "I love my criminal sister" is disappointing, unsatisfying and completely predictable.

It felt climactic and had a bunch of cool stuff, but like the entire series feels like missed potential.

At least Bill got to laugh.

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VagueRant
May 24, 2012

MiddleOne posted:

So, who was that dude at the train station.
Zing, the Fung Hai leader from season 1-2 who was last seen noticing the bars of his prison cell were loose.

https://warrior.fandom.com/wiki/Zing

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