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teagone posted:I will be watching this sober and enjoying it.
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lol @ the notion that some of got's themes about the historical complexity of morality and politics will be preserved. it's going to be the most simple tolkeinesque victory over evil you guys.
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Apr 15, 2019 22:05
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fishing with the fam posted:It wouldn't surprise me if the problem the people have with the show is exactly the same reason GRRM is having problems finishing the books. The series made its bones being steeped in political intrigue and subverting genre expectations, but having everything build to grand apocalyptic battle with an unknowable and external existential threat is not conducive to either. There is no bargaining, backstabbing, or politicking with the white walkers, so they are boring rear end villains. e: apocalyptic thinking was really prevalent in the medieval era and it motivated a lot of actions. the crusades for example. so it is helpful to have a fantasy analogue. but it's almost always better for it not to be straightforwardly resolved. Zane fucked around with this message at 21:54 on Apr 16, 2019 |
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Apr 16, 2019 21:29
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robb broke his marriage oath. the only bond that glues feudal society together. walder frey did nothing wrong. 
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Apr 16, 2019 23:14
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speaking more seriously for a moment: the starks would have been pretty hosed without the karstarks and freys to support them. and the starks wouldn't be inclined to bend the knee for long with ned, and presumably arya, still lying unavenged. the situation is actually good historical encapsulation of the endless cycle of blood revenge--the avenging of past kin--that a lot of elites in pre-modern europe typically got up to before the church introduced a more impartial and universalist legal tradition. the lannisters want revenge for tyrion. the karstarks want revenge for eddard and torrhen and then for rickard. the starks want revenge for.. everything. it's one of the themes in beowulf: grendel is a son of cain, the first kinslayer; and beowulf has to 'kill' the principle of kinslaying somehow. Zane fucked around with this message at 00:04 on Apr 17, 2019 |
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Apr 17, 2019 00:01
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Away all Goats posted:Hey remember when Jaime killed his own cousin.
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Apr 17, 2019 01:04
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she can be a ruler but it isn't some nice picnic in the woods
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Apr 17, 2019 23:55
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LividLiquid posted:If somebody told the first half of a really good story at a dinner party, then stopped and said they'd tell you later, and then never did, you'd feel like they wasted your time.
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Apr 18, 2019 01:37
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Spoke Lee posted:How small do you guys think the chances are that the Night King dies and the remaining 3 episodes are the fallout and the fight for the throne? I hope not but I wonder.
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Apr 23, 2019 08:42
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A Buttery Pastry posted:You're right that the music tells the story, but it's not the one you posted here. Dany's in Vaes Dothrak is the primal beating of drums, Cersei's the measured precision of the piano, a subtle hint that Cersei is bringing Westeros into modernity while Dany's "breaking the wheel" is turning back the clock to pre-feudal tribalism. Alhazred posted:The Drogo/Dany thing is just so very, very badly written. Some times she's like "my brother sold me to a raping, slaving barbarian" and the next moment she's like "I must learn how to gently caress him better". Zane fucked around with this message at 10:09 on Apr 27, 2019 |
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Apr 27, 2019 09:59
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Antifa Turkeesian posted:To the degree that politics is still relevant to the story, the feudal system has definitely fallen and events are forcing the characters to think in terms of a nation of westeros relative to outside political entities (white walkers, golden company/iron bank, the unsullied/dothraki). It seems like there will be a more renaissance understanding of nation and people going forward vs the emphasis on managing relationships between lords to maintain stability within westeros. Zane fucked around with this message at 19:07 on Apr 27, 2019 |
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Apr 27, 2019 18:48
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if different group experiences are entirely self-enclosed and impossible to at least somewhat bridge through the medium of language then no one can intrinsically understand anyone, all communication is pointless, and everything is a war to the death.
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May 5, 2019 21:42
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LionArcher posted:Except the acting is still very good on this show on an episode like this one, and killing eve is getting a universal pass because of gay Stan culture. (It’s always going to be woman show runners and so on). And that’s great.
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May 6, 2019 09:16
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Crimpolioni posted:The amount of medival fantasy series where characters actually have a medival mindset can be counted on one hand with fingers left over. Zane fucked around with this message at 11:04 on May 6, 2019 |
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May 6, 2019 11:00
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Edgar Allen Ho posted:this but the medieval tactics posts
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May 7, 2019 03:22
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Bacon Terrorist posted:The evidence for Tony dying is not explicit but there's so much implied (the would be assassin wears a Member's Only jacket, goes to the bathroom prior ala Godfather, Tony peels an orange which is also a Godfather thing) that he definitely bites it and as is previously discussed in both the show and other mafia media you don't hear the shot that kills you when a wise guy does.
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May 12, 2019 18:44
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grrm has said in interviews that the eastern cities aren't supposed to be ethnically homogeneous. it only appears that way in the show because they were filming in places like morocco and the extras were all arabic. the issue gets even more tangled up between what i would call diagnostic and normative postures of fictional-historical representation: between a diagnostic reconstruction of a medieval society from the past in which concepts of race were close to non-existent (religion was a far more meaningful equivalent divider in the actual medieval era) and a normative intermingling of current racial constructions onto that diagnostic reconstruction.
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Jun 29, 2019 22:42
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the writing was on the wall in s5. they very impressively screwed up roose bolton, littlefinger, and stannis, the instant they deviated from the source material. every failure afterwards was no surprise and requires no great analysis to understand. d&d simply have no understanding of the traditions of writing that GoT is embedded within: the tradition of fantasy genre fiction (ultimately deriving from the chivalric romance and the epic) and the tradition of social-political historicism. they had no systematic criteria for judging what a 'good story' vs a 'bad story' was and so everything subsequently became an inconsistent and improvisory mishmash. i threw a fit when this happened (2015) and have ever since been hate-watching from afar.
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Aug 16, 2019 05:56
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the only magic they conceivably 'toned down' was melisandre's abilities at certain arbitrary moments. which ruined her character.
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Oct 29, 2019 18:59
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punk rebel ecks posted:What was different about her?
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Oct 29, 2019 19:02
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Precambrian posted:I think Vale's actually the strongest, or, at least, least damaged. Wasn't it mentioned that Dorne went to a civil war after Cersei took out their leadership? Zane fucked around with this message at 05:03 on Jan 25, 2020 |
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Jan 25, 2020 04:10
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Precambrian posted:But GRRM was probably the one who did most all of that. He's the guy who told the showrunners that Bran would be the king, that Sansa would leave with the North, and the other big picture things about how everyone ended up. And I think it's a fairly interesting setup, because it's weird and messy and complicated. What D&D did, though, was just rush to the ending, because all they care about was the big shocking reveal driven by some jerkoff thing about ~storytellers~ rather than telling the story that'd actually build up those points. Zane fucked around with this message at 09:41 on Jan 25, 2020 |
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Jan 25, 2020 06:46
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PittTheElder posted:It's really not, those dudes were fanatical about maintaining their contracts, they knew having a trustworthy reputation was central to everything.
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Sep 3, 2020 05:27
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Sky Shadowing posted:This controversy is nicknamed in the book fandom "Lemongate", and is used as the baseline for all sorts of theories. Generally, those of us who buy Lemongate believe that this means her House With The Red Door is in Dorne, as no area in ASOIAF is as associated with lemons as Dorne is.
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kaworu posted:I've been doing a re-read of the books recently - actually, I'm listening to them for the first time on audible. I'm currently on A Feast for Crows, and the Cersei chapters are definitely the best part of that book, I think. They're just so much fun! Something you forget about the Cersei chapters is just how hilariously and cartoonishly evil she really is, in addition to the arrogance, ignorance, and dangerous stupidity.
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