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PittTheElder
Feb 13, 2012

:geno: Yes, it's like a lava lamp.

Wasn't the explanation just "this island is magic" though?

I thought people were just really dissatisfied with that (even though it's kind of obvious by the end of season 1 that was going to be the only explanation, and why I stopped watching).

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PittTheElder
Feb 13, 2012

:geno: Yes, it's like a lava lamp.

nah I just sort of forgot about that

PittTheElder
Feb 13, 2012

:geno: Yes, it's like a lava lamp.

Old Kentucky Shark posted:

That's a basically historically accurate depiction of mercenary companies.

It's really not, those dudes were fanatical about maintaining their contracts, they knew having a trustworthy reputation was central to everything.

The reason they routinely wind is switching sides is because their employers had switched sides, or their employers were in crazy arrears.

PittTheElder
Feb 13, 2012

:geno: Yes, it's like a lava lamp.

Zane posted:

medieval/renaissance italian mercenaries--some of the most well documented--were infamous for their unreliability.

It's a modern misconception. They were generally more reliable (and resoundingly more capable) than military forces led by the local nobility.

PittTheElder
Feb 13, 2012

:geno: Yes, it's like a lava lamp.

Sky Shadowing posted:

Daenerys, who is actually Rhaegar's daughter.

Wait what? Is this some weird fan theory, because it doesn't make a ton of sense

PittTheElder
Feb 13, 2012

:geno: Yes, it's like a lava lamp.

:lost:

PittTheElder
Feb 13, 2012

:geno: Yes, it's like a lava lamp.

I would also be curious about what happened with Dallas. Like I only know about the show from The Simpsons spoof, but as I recall that cliff hanger was A Big DealTM

PittTheElder
Feb 13, 2012

:geno: Yes, it's like a lava lamp.

Ego-bot posted:

It's not gone yet, but The Walking Dead would be a good example.

lol excellent point, how is that even still going?

PittTheElder
Feb 13, 2012

:geno: Yes, it's like a lava lamp.

bobjr posted:

Spartacus is a great show but the first episode does feel like a bad 300 rip off

Oh yeah the first fourish episodes are just terrible. It's bizarre how abrubtly it transitions into a good show.

PittTheElder
Feb 13, 2012

:geno: Yes, it's like a lava lamp.

Yeah it might be my favorite season honestly. John Hannah loving slays it.

PittTheElder
Feb 13, 2012

:geno: Yes, it's like a lava lamp.

because he said that said race was based on historical cultures, when in fact it was based on halloween costumes of those cultures

PittTheElder
Feb 13, 2012

:geno: Yes, it's like a lava lamp.

My gut tells me the presence of two non-white people is pretty central to their objections.

PittTheElder
Feb 13, 2012

:geno: Yes, it's like a lava lamp.

Strategic Tea posted:

Can't wait for a bunch of slobs who have never studied history in their lives (except some Patreon beggar's animated narrative for intellectuals ONLY) to explain to Reddit that people never travelled between continents and anyway everyone was a modern white supremacist "in those days"

I would love to see a historical series in 1600 Mexico, with a complete cast of indigenous Mexicans, Spaniards, and Japanese mercenaries.

PittTheElder
Feb 13, 2012

:geno: Yes, it's like a lava lamp.

Oh god that reminds me, escaped African slave communities hiding in the mountains.

Better still if the only English people are a bunch of pirates.

PittTheElder
Feb 13, 2012

:geno: Yes, it's like a lava lamp.

Dual weilding always looks stupid, because it is stupid. Either give them proper armor and have them two hand their longswords properly, or give them sheilds.

nine-gear crow posted:

I'd add Dany to that mix too. Jon stabs the Night King with Longclaw, but it doesn't work, so he's stuck with a very pissed off Night King on the end of his sword. Dany swoops in on Drogon, sees that basically everything is lost and makes the very ambiguous choice to go "Dracarys!" on both Jon and the Night King in a last ditch effort. Ice and Fire coming together at long last pushes it all over the top and when the flames recede, the Night King shatters and Jon is left standing there completely fine because he's Aegon Targaryen, Sixth of His Name, and fire can't kill a dragon.

And everyone saw Dany try to immolate him, and everyone saw him survive it. A beautifully poisoned happy ending.

This would have been such a better moment god drat

PittTheElder
Feb 13, 2012

:geno: Yes, it's like a lava lamp.

Google Butt posted:

hello I refuse to watch this show based on how bad they hosed up the last season, or so I've been told!!

Go watch Barry instead

PittTheElder
Feb 13, 2012

:geno: Yes, it's like a lava lamp.

An insane mind posted:

Honestly then d&d should have been booted off by HBO, they want off the show, fine we'll get someone else to finish it.

It's not like HBO had any incentive to kill their cash cow, instead d&d managed to kill it and sort of pre-murdered any future cash kiddies springing from it as well. It's almost impressive.

It's honestly shocking they weren't kicked off it, it's pretty obvious how badly they were phoning it in by season 7. But then again there is nobody America trusts more than the failson of an investment banker.

PittTheElder
Feb 13, 2012

:geno: Yes, it's like a lava lamp.

Zaphod42 posted:

D&D's world has like 20 people total, and only those 20 people can do anything.

Maybe they were perfectly suited to making a Star War :v:

PittTheElder
Feb 13, 2012

:geno: Yes, it's like a lava lamp.

Zaphod42 posted:

As long as they continued to introduce new characters every season, old characters could continue to be killed off regularly. I think you could maintain that for a long time and it'd sure be better than obvious plot armor for main characters. That fear that your favorite character could bite it at any moment was one of the best things the show had going, that tension.

This is I think is one of the big difficulties with the (as described by Lindsay Ellis) 'sociological approach' the we all liked, over the long term; it's natural that established characters would die off, and new personalities would come into the story to fill the vacuum left by departed characters. This is what would happen in any real event. But GRRM's track record with those new characters had not been great, at least when it came to making those characters interesting to the audience. Which I would accept might be a large part due to audience expectations more than anything, but we also got ~Darkstar~, so it's not all that.

And then of course D&D strolled in, and like typical lovely storywriters, gave zero fucks about any of that and just wanted to write for the established characters, and reduced it to the 20 person universe.

PittTheElder
Feb 13, 2012

:geno: Yes, it's like a lava lamp.

Pattonesque posted:

The Dothraki are capable horse archers who could stay out of the dead’s range indefinitely and pepper white walkers with dragon glass tipped arrows

Actually, somewhat inexplicably, they seem to place very little emphasis on horse archery. In contrast to say, every other horsebound nomadic culture from history. Bret Devereux covered this pretty well in his blog a couple weeks ago

PittTheElder
Feb 13, 2012

:geno: Yes, it's like a lava lamp.

Collapsing Farts posted:

Wouldn't dothraki horses struggle a bit in the norse climates and snow and poo poo

Nah they'd probably be ok, assuming the Dothraki Sea has winter at all, but given it's the lazy stereotype of the Pontic Steppe it probably does. Horses are pretty damned good at dealing with snow, as they punch through the snow to get at grass underneath.

PittTheElder
Feb 13, 2012

:geno: Yes, it's like a lava lamp.

If they wanted to be truly surprising they should have had that Ollie kid be resurrected as a wight, but then for some reason he gets free will, and he shoots the Night King with an Obsidian tipped arrow, then nods at someone before exploding with the rest of the army of the dead

PittTheElder
Feb 13, 2012

:geno: Yes, it's like a lava lamp.

Yeah but that's Monarchy.txt. Even with "clean" father to eldest son transitions that work has to happen.

Zaphod42 posted:

Sure, but how much do the peasants know that stuff anyways? If you kill the King you can pretty easily "discover" that you're actually a long-lost second cousin of the ruling family or something :)

Hello yes, my name is Dmitry. Oh you heard I'd been murdered? I'm afraid not!

PittTheElder fucked around with this message at 07:10 on Apr 21, 2021

PittTheElder
Feb 13, 2012

:geno: Yes, it's like a lava lamp.

Asgerd posted:

“The common people pray for rain, healthy children, and a summer that never ends," Ser Jorah told her. "It is no matter to them if the high lords play their game of thrones, so long as they are left in peace." He gave a shrug. "They never are.”

Which again is an instance of GRRM's writing being based on popular imagination of medieval societies, rather than actual societies. Historically peasants cared about politics a lot. Not in the "aristocrats are economic oppressors" sense we do in the present either, but in the "man that lord/the king is acting really stupid/impiously/violating social norms" kind of way.

PittTheElder
Feb 13, 2012

:geno: Yes, it's like a lava lamp.

Strom Cuzewon posted:

This is something that I wondered about in the Kingdom Come: Deliverance prologue, with everyone drinking and bitching about rival kings and popes and stuff. Cool to hear that it was (somewhat) accurate.

Yeah Tides of History has some good episodes on it, the latter in particular:

https://www.stitcher.com/show/tides-of-history/episode/classic-tides-peasants-and-the-medieval-countryside-78777891
https://www.stitcher.com/show/tides-of-history/episode/classic-tides-peasants-rebellions-and-resistance-79713774


And yeah KC:D is an interesting case, it has a lot of that, but it also has a lot of characters who are basically "people with present day sensibilities, but with old-timey swearing". I could have sworn Bret Devereaux at ACOUP had a writeup on it but it seems I imagined it...

PittTheElder
Feb 13, 2012

:geno: Yes, it's like a lava lamp.

LionArcher posted:

Season 8 is good actually. (Could have used another episode or two to flesh out stuff) but holds the same theme as the rest of the show, namely real people are idiots and history is a hug mess with a few people getting a lot of lucky breaks. A lot of people hate the last season for the same reason they fell in love with the concept in the first place. Gritty fantasy. The way people act in the last season is how real people in the real world act all the time. They redeem themselves, and then go off and be idiots again.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ctr9ZfeyvXg

PittTheElder
Feb 13, 2012

:geno: Yes, it's like a lava lamp.

They had one but the Tyrells sort of forgot about it

PittTheElder
Feb 13, 2012

:geno: Yes, it's like a lava lamp.

Pattonesque posted:

numbers count for quite a bit and I don't think any of the major house's armies like, suck at fighting.

Given that the Rob's Northern army apparently involved a mass call up of peasants, it probably did, at least the parts of it that aren't Rob's closest bodyguards. It certainly performed terribly in the books, though Roose's apparent treachery may have compounded that.

Then of course there's Ramsey's army using some sort of "first man gets a shield, second man gets a pike" principle. Which is proudly stupid but to it's credit they did manage to nearly annihilate yet another northern army.

So yeah, the North might suck at fighting.

Orange Devil posted:

It makes sense that the people from rich farmland in a medieval setting would lack warm bodies and the funds to equip them with weapons and armour. Whereas the people from the barren North and barren islands obviously would have armies. Because rough living makes hard men makes military might and easy living makes soft men makes military impotence and oops poo poo I accidentally adopted fascist ideology welp.

I lol'd.

And as ever if anyone wants the long form essay version of this, go check out the Fremen Mirage over on the acoup blog.

PittTheElder
Feb 13, 2012

:geno: Yes, it's like a lava lamp.

I maintain the correct resolution for the Mereenese sideplot is for Dany to get wind of Aegon's landing in Westeros and just nope the gently caress out of there with whatever she can load onto whatever boats there are that day

PittTheElder
Feb 13, 2012

:geno: Yes, it's like a lava lamp.

Sanguinia posted:

Wow, I had no idea Kiefer was a turbo-lefty, that's hilarious. I wonder how much he laughed his rear end off when he got hired to voice act a guy running a group called Militaires Sans Frontières

Kiefer isn't exactly a turbo-lefty either, he's just a guy that supports public healthcare and public education. He's the kind of guy that the Fox News hosts think of as a turby lefty.

PittTheElder
Feb 13, 2012

:geno: Yes, it's like a lava lamp.

nine-gear crow posted:

The NDP in Canada is still pretty far left without being out of the mainstream, socialist by American standards, but still not socialist enough by like D&D Leftist "the good must be killed on sight in the name of the almighty perfect" standards. And Keifer is a hardcore Dipper.

As a fellow hardcore Dipper I promise you it is not very left wing at all these days. Maybe by American standards, but that's no standard at all :v:

PittTheElder
Feb 13, 2012

:geno: Yes, it's like a lava lamp.

Algol Star posted:

There were also kings called childeric the idiot and aethlred the unready' too, probs not to their face though.

Aethelred almost certainly was never called that to his face, there's no evidence of the epithet until more than a century after his death. It's mostly an amusing pun too, Athelread means "Well-Advised" and unread in the original Anglo-Saxon means "Ill-advised". Nice council no council.


The transliteration into modern Unready might also be an attempt at the same, one might expect a 12 year old king to be Unready.

PittTheElder
Feb 13, 2012

:geno: Yes, it's like a lava lamp.


Yea they completely disregarded the universe they'd created up to that point and the knowledge of their characters, in the name of creating a visual spectacle for the viewer. And then in true D&D fashion the episode was so dark the viewers could barely see it.

PittTheElder
Feb 13, 2012

:geno: Yes, it's like a lava lamp.

Cranappleberry posted:

yea everyone knows helmets and armor barely work and are so heavy that you need a crane to mount a horse if you wear it. If you fall off your mount you can't move for the rest of the battle and if you are unlucky enough to fall into a puddle you will drown

*spins around while holding a sword*

Everybody knows that people in the past wore armor - even though it didn't work - because they were stupid. That's why we don't nowadays, we're much smarter.

PittTheElder
Feb 13, 2012

:geno: Yes, it's like a lava lamp.

Edgar Allen Ho posted:

Bronn's real crime was stealing the show from my boiz Willas and Garlan.

House Tyrell was second only to Martell in being done dirty. Wtf is up with loving Bronn getting Highgarden?

D&D kinda forgot the lower houses existed is what happened

PittTheElder
Feb 13, 2012

:geno: Yes, it's like a lava lamp.

moosecow333 posted:

Don’t forget they gave Bronn ‘I do not know how borrowing money works’ the master of coin position on the high council.

He can just teleport to the Iron Bank and steal their gold

PittTheElder
Feb 13, 2012

:geno: Yes, it's like a lava lamp.

Drunk in Space posted:

The New Caprica arc was pretty good too, and arguably featured one of the single best scenes in the show (The Adama Maneuver). The overall downturn in quality didn't really start in earnest until shortly after that. Part of the issue for me was Baltar's interminable scenes on the Cylon basestar, and all the squabbling and bickering among the skinjobs. It made them significantly less threatening and enigmatic than they had been before - this was where it really became apparent as well that all the talk of a 'plan' was complete guff.

Yeah the whole "and they have a plan" thing rings a little hollow, since the eventually established canon Plan was "genocide all the humans", and they mostly seem to be winging it after that doesn't quite go according to... plan. But honestly the hodgepodge thing we got of disagreements among the Cylons is way more interesting imo.

I remember being upset about the religiousness of the ending when I watched it the first time (partly because I was a salty 20 something atheist when it aired), but having watched the show again a few months ago, the ending is great. If anything it's the first few episodes that stick out, they're just so loving all over the place. That and Black Market which is just an unforgivably terrible episode.

PittTheElder
Feb 13, 2012

:geno: Yes, it's like a lava lamp.

Nicki Clyne is still forehead deep sadly. I think she still maintains that Mr. Cult Leader (also possibly her husband? unmarried long time sexual partner) did nothing wrong

PittTheElder fucked around with this message at 20:43 on Jul 30, 2022

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PittTheElder
Feb 13, 2012

:geno: Yes, it's like a lava lamp.

Yeah the first three seasons were real good, once you get invested in the mystery plot.

The later seasons didn't hold up in my mind, though not in a "this ruined the show" way, just an "I am bored by every scene with James Holden in it" way.

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