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Powerful Two-Hander
Mar 10, 2004

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"why are you asking me for my username and password to logon instead of using SSO, that's bad security practice as it's training people to enter credentials into random sites when prompted by a link they get emailed"

"it's an oracle product it does not support SSO"

really? really? i mean oracle are awful but they don't support any SSO in tyool 2019? or is it more likely that you just don't know how to set it up?


bonus points: the email says "please click this link and logon as there is an invoice awaiting payment". no standard branding/formatting at all, not even a name of recipient or detail on what the invoice is and the link is a garbled mess pointing to a server instance with no internal cname. it's like they're trying to train people to get phished.

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Powerful Two-Hander
Mar 10, 2004

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ewiley posted:

I once had the privilege of briefly administering oracle identity manager and i wanted to promptly kill myself afterwards. This was 10 years ago so I'm sure it's improved since then :rolleyes:

the copyright tag on the app says "2017" but I'm gonna assume the deployment is at least 5 years older than that

Powerful Two-Hander
Mar 10, 2004

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Jabor posted:

changing the password regularly (e.g. daily) is also a good way to make people actually look it up in the appropriate system every time, instead of writing it on a post-it or something

just get one of those old flip calendars and write the password for that day on each page, ez

Powerful Two-Hander
Mar 10, 2004

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Midjack posted:

toilet paper with a new password on each square.

brb, filing a patent for one time roll cryptography

gonna quote an old thread title here: "i need tp for my security hole"

Powerful Two-Hander
Mar 10, 2004

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nobody show trump this story or he'll be calling up Liam Neeson and demanding he castrate some random Libyans or whatever the current target is (Yemen maybe?)

Powerful Two-Hander
Mar 10, 2004

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ha, we use a similar basic "request source" check on an internal web service to validate that requests come from a legitimate requestor (one of two other internal webservers basically) and ive been trying to think of a way to make it more robust by adding extra auth layers/checks to it because it feels wrong and like there's a request spoofing/mitm vuln...though tbh if someone is spoofing on mitm'ing our internal network we're boned already regardless

anyway turns out i'm more security conscious than dell lmao

edit: the obvious answer would be "authenticate the account id of the calling process" but for some dumb reason our webserver accounts don't have normal identity profiles and the team that "manage" the iis hosts won't let us configure them to work around this

Powerful Two-Hander fucked around with this message at 11:50 on May 4, 2019

Powerful Two-Hander
Mar 10, 2004

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"please enter a memorable word in case you forget your pasword or username", ok that's dumb so ill mash the keyboard to make it a random string and put it in keepass....



:catstare:

edit: my keyboard mashing is evidently insufficiently random. Also I tried an actual word and it rejected it for having "3 or more sequential letters". Hope your memborable word doesn't contain "nop"!

Powerful Two-Hander
Mar 10, 2004

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Shame Boy posted:

i want that database to get compromised so i can see how many people used "boners" or "weed" or "gently caress"

flakeloaf posted:

does sequence include sequence on the keyboard? would "powerful" be no good?

yeah i think "PowerfulWeedBoners" is ok, please don't share this though as it's secret!!!!

Powerful Two-Hander
Mar 10, 2004

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Sagebrush posted:

take every developer and sysadmin who came up with these policies and break them upon the wheel

then replace all former password policies with "must be at least a 30-character sentence"

there, i've solved it forever. if you think typing 30 letters in a row with no mistakes is an undue hardship i hate you.


"to login, please enter characters 9, 17 and 23 of your password"

Powerful Two-Hander
Mar 10, 2004

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Lutha Mahtin posted:

a russian cryptolocker author is really mad that somebody released a decrypter for his malware. "shoes you booze" indeed

https://twitter.com/campuscodi/status/1126602241463308288

Security fuckup megathread: you booze, you lose (your aes keys)

Powerful Two-Hander
Mar 10, 2004

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Sereri posted:

Blow it out your aes

lmao

Powerful Two-Hander
Mar 10, 2004

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idk my cat is kind of a dick but he's never hacked my router


... as far as I know

Powerful Two-Hander
Mar 10, 2004

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looks like email scammers are trying a new tactic: a scam within a warning about a scam. i think that's what he's getting at anyway.

quote:


Sometimes, I do wonder if you are really, really with your senses. How Could you keep trusting people and at the end you will loose your hard Earned money, or are you being deceived by their big names? They Impersonate on many offices, claiming to be Governors, Directors/Chairmen of one Office or the other. Their game plan is only just to extort your hard Earned money. Now, the question is how long you will continue to be Deceived? Sometimes, they will issue you fake check, introduce you to fake Diplomatic delivery, un-existing on-line banking and they will also fake wire transfer of Your fund with Payment Stop Order and even send you fake Atm cards etc.

Anyway, by the virtue of my position I have been following this Transaction from inception and all your efforts towards realizing the Fund. More often than not, I sit down and laugh at your ignorance and That of those who claim they are assisting you, it is very unfortunate That at the end you loose. Although, I don't blame you because you are Not here in Nigeria to witness the processing of your payment in Nigeria. The problem you are having is that you been told the whole truth About this transaction and it is because of this truth they decided to Be extorting your money. The most annoying part is even fraudsters Have really taken advantage of this opportunity to enrich them selves At your expense. Those you feel are assisting or working for you are Your main problems. I know the truth surrounding this payment and I am The only person who will deliver you from this long suffering if you will abide by my advice.

They claim that they are helping you and you forward all the fraudulent e-mails you receive to them. At the end they do nothing about the fraudsters. Soon they will ask you to pay money to receive a compensation of millions of dollars Do not pay any money to them because they are only interested in your hard earned money and you will never receive any compensation in return, they will always keep coming back to ask for more money.

Please I beseech you to stop pursuit of shadows and being Deceived. Feel free to contact me immediately you receive this mail so that I can Explain to you the modus-operandi guiding the release of your Payment. Do not panic, be rest assured that this arrangement will be Guided by your Embassy here in Nigeria.

N/B: You are urgently requested to provide me with the following information

Full Name:
Address:
Telephone Number:
Passport Or National Identity Copy:

Contact me upon the receipt of this mail if you wish to receive your fund and stop wasting your hard earn money..

I await your urgent response.

Yours Sincerely,
Mr. Ibrahim Mustafa Magu.
CHAIRMAN ECONOMIC & FINANCIAL CRIME COMMISSION

Powerful Two-Hander
Mar 10, 2004

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Squinky v2.0 posted:

Nigerian bank scammers using segmented marketing aimed at their core demographic of people who are currently entangled in a Nigerian bank scam

It's like some sort of scammer pyramid scheme where you get scammed and have to scam your way out by pretending to help people who've been scammed then scamming them and turning them into scammers

what I'm saying here is that it's scammers all the way down.

Powerful Two-Hander
Mar 10, 2004

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Vomik posted:

so I'm hanging out in bar with my raspberry pi zero W :smug:

surrounded by hotspots and yet zero connection

Powerful Two-Hander
Mar 10, 2004

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Krankenstyle posted:

got a phishing mail with a weird reply-to field



late 90s grunge band webring member spotted

Powerful Two-Hander
Mar 10, 2004

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some guy in America keeps signing up to job sites with my email address so he probably wonders why he's never receiving anything. I also receive bank notifications on my other account with the same name, presumably from the same guy.

Once I got an invite to a family bbq and I think I did reply all to that and tell them to get their poo poo together and tell the guy to use the right address. or maybe I goatse'd the entire family idk it was a long time ago

Powerful Two-Hander
Mar 10, 2004

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Agile Vector posted:

remember someday that you will be a gullible moron

i have a boney moroni to remind me that someday ill be a skeleton moron.

but a skeleton moron who can dance

Powerful Two-Hander
Mar 10, 2004

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You Am I posted:

lol and Jaguar and Land Rover are owned by the Indians.

UK got nothing except for some old dude in a garage building kit cars from used Ford CVH four cylinder motors

Nah TVR disappeared years ago an account of "shoddily hammered together in a shed" and "only runs for 5 minutes before overheating or having its gearbox implode" no longer being up to spec for a sports car


Shaggar posted:

Marriott is American. BA fines are probably a Brexit thing

No the information Commissioner is a UK org, they just got new powers to fine companies based on turnover after the Facebook fine for stealing everyone's data and an election and a referendum was capped at £500k so they're showing off.

I really hope Facebook fucks up again and gets slammed with a fine in the billions.

Powerful Two-Hander
Mar 10, 2004

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flakeloaf posted:

just gonna leave this here, i suspect i may need it later


I'm 100% "zero-knowledge encryption"

Powerful Two-Hander
Mar 10, 2004

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Stymie saved me a self probe there because I can't accurately quote the post and have it make sense but "half life: full life consequences" is always worth a listen he said and did a back flip

Powerful Two-Hander
Mar 10, 2004

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ewiley posted:

Yep nobody would run a network over a simple power cable



it at least has the decency to look shocked about it

Powerful Two-Hander
Mar 10, 2004

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toss up between security fuckup and terrible programmers

quote:

Digital bank Monzo has urged nearly 480,000 customers to change their pins after it left banking information exposed to unauthorised staff for six months.

The bank, which is now valued at £2bn, said it usually stores pin records in a “particularly secure” part of its internal system where it can tightly control which staff can access them. But on Friday, the bank discovered that pins were also being copied on to log files, that while encrypted, could be accessed by about 110 unauthorised engineers.

Powerful Two-Hander
Mar 10, 2004

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infernal machines posted:

secfucks are immaculate, created by the whims of a capricious god

if the fuckups didn't exist, it would be necessary for us to create them

Powerful Two-Hander
Mar 10, 2004

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give them some credit, getting such poor performance out of a database when the use case is basically "list stuff linked to this key" is pretty impressive

Powerful Two-Hander
Mar 10, 2004

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lol

Powerful Two-Hander
Mar 10, 2004

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ymgve posted:

*nervously clicks link, reads article, sees name of site, sighs in relief*

lol.

at work the it sec team did a demo thing in the cafeteria of entering your email on haveibeenpwned and I did it and just as I hit enter thought "gently caress I've had this email address for like 20 years and I was a dumbass teen, I'd this gonna return porn?" but no, it was fortunately just xbox mod forums (lol) and rpg codex or something (double lol)

Powerful Two-Hander
Mar 10, 2004

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Shame Boy posted:

why would they force you all to do that poo poo in public? or are you saying you were just doing it as a demo to other people?

it was basically a "you're all probably hosed, use strong passwords ok?" thing, so actually probably a good thing to do given the average failure rate on our lovely phishing tests is like 60%. they got some interns to do it, it was all optional and they were getting ignored so I thought" hey I'll do it, what's the worst that can come up? "

crazysim posted:

The porn stuff is behind email verification. They are categorized as sensitive breaches like Ashley Madison.

Pro tip: don’t validate email during demo, but do mention this factoid as an uneasy chuckle laugh for the room.

drat brb gonna see how embarrassed past me is gonna make me

Powerful Two-Hander fucked around with this message at 03:01 on Aug 25, 2019

Powerful Two-Hander
Mar 10, 2004

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Soricidus posted:

there are advantages to not being the only person who shows up when a prospective boss googles your name

i share a name with a guy who got executed in texas so I'm basically invisible to google

edit: I'll qualify that with a "casual". ofc LinkedIn gets me so rip

also it's not like I have a very common last name either, and yet some dingus still keeps on signing me up to job banks. poor fucker must be wondering why nobody is replying to him.

Powerful Two-Hander fucked around with this message at 23:42 on Aug 26, 2019

Powerful Two-Hander
Mar 10, 2004

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Wiggly Wayne DDS posted:

how did you escape

i was 3 at the time and they never suspected me at all, I just pinned it on the other guy and went for a nap.

Powerful Two-Hander
Mar 10, 2004

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Cocoa Crispies posted:


y’all just lucky fbook hasn’t started using liters of blood for identity verification

judge Dredd's gun but its authentication to post

Powerful Two-Hander
Mar 10, 2004

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add in The Core


~*~HACK THE PLANET~*~

Powerful Two-Hander
Mar 10, 2004

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holy lmao our homebrew system for managing "secure" access to database creds logs them in plaintext in an area accessible from all user sessions

I'm either gonna get thanked or fired for flagging this lmao

Powerful Two-Hander
Mar 10, 2004

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Soricidus posted:

come to Europe. uk banks all hand out chip devices where you stick in your debit card and enter your pin to get a one-time code, or some of them just have authenticated tokens that are the same principle but the thing-you-have is the token rather than the card

not perfect probably but a hell of a lot better than loving sms

what no they don't, not all anyway. HSBC and santander use fingerprint id on mobile now, with the HSBC app generating one time logon/signing codes for Web access as well.

and HSBC were way behind on their mobile app compared to others until recently so I'd assume the rest are better.

edit: before that HSBC used a custom key generator pad thing... santander idk, natwest used the card reader thing but I think have stopped.

Powerful Two-Hander fucked around with this message at 23:34 on Sep 12, 2019

Powerful Two-Hander
Mar 10, 2004

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Rufus Ping posted:

yeah the only british banks i'm aware of that use a cardreader for 2fa are (were?) nationwide and lloyds business, and the latter forces you to set a memorable phrase which can be used to bypass it

i wouldn't even mind sms for 2fa. marcus do it when logging in from a new location. other banks (lloyds group retail, tsb, santander) just have a second password they ask for specific characters from. it's hardly ideal

oh yeah nationwide were the ones with the card reader, not natwest

and yes santander web access sucks: enter your security number (6 digits) and then like letters 2,4 and 7 from your login password or something,which is a pain in the rear end when you set that password to a 12 character random string.

Powerful Two-Hander
Mar 10, 2004

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trip report: so far thanked but not fired. they're at least hiding or clearing the logs and I assume the idiot that logged the creds has been given a talking to.

for my part i said that this is just general poking around poo poo I do all the time, I wasn't specifically trying to break things but better me and I flag it than someone else.

also I pointed out that because we inexplicably only allow sql logins to databases, any access method we have will require credentials to be available in plaintext so there's always a window where they could be logged. Like I could add one line to one process and I'd get dbo account passwords written out instantly. At least if the dbs were on domain accounts that wouldn't be viable.

Powerful Two-Hander
Mar 10, 2004

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i mean yeah no poo poo if you didn't lock the door it isn't locked

Powerful Two-Hander
Mar 10, 2004

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Carbon dioxide posted:

I'm in a hotel and the room has this electronic safe where you lock it by setting a 4 digit PIN and unlock it by punching in the same code again.

Since people are known to reuse PINs I wonder if that thing keeps a conveniently timestamped log of what PINs were set, so it can be matched with the hotel guest book.

it's unlikely its networked but the hotel will absolutely have a master code and/or key that unlocks it.

quite possibly both are available from the manufacturer and are the same across all units

edit: also 99/100 times it's gonna be the DOB of the person in the room because that's the easiest low friction number that a random opportunistic burglar that gets into the room isn't going to know

Powerful Two-Hander fucked around with this message at 11:02 on Sep 18, 2019

Powerful Two-Hander
Mar 10, 2004

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did you try "!" as an answer?

i hate that poo poo though. I had to call up to change an address on an overseas currency card because the lovely app will happily take your credit card details to top up, but can't handle address changes and inexplicably neither can the website and a) they asked for the 16 digit card number which the rest of their site says they won't do (but is actually logical because how the gently caress else are they going to id the card?) and b) asked for a standard security question answer of mothers maiden name. I guess I forgot to lie on that one because it was the real one and not "weedlord bonerhitler" or whatever.

I guess I'm the fuckup here for not having a consistent fallback tho

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Powerful Two-Hander
Mar 10, 2004

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flakeloaf posted:

/dev/aynrandom, the objective-oriented rng

is a man not entitled to the seed of his prng?

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