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DarkSol posted:I love how dark FYEO is in places. Bond strands a guy underwater to a slow death and kicks a car off a ledge. We're shown a guy blowing up in a diving suit, Blofeld finally getting his just desserts (as a tiny vignette, to boot!), a woman violently being run down, a bunch of mooks getting blown up trying to break into the Lotus. It also has the snootiest line of dialogue about alcohol in the entire franchise, when Kristatos suggests at dinner that they order a certain white wine and Bond responds "If you'll forgive me, that's a little too scented for my palate, I prefer the Theotoky Aspro." The obsession with luxury food and drink is a funny part of Bond's character, part of what makes him unique from other action heroes, so I love it when they put these sorts of things in.
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gohuskies posted:It also has the snootiest line of dialogue about alcohol in the entire franchise, when Kristatos suggests at dinner that they order a certain white wine and Bond responds "If you'll forgive me, that's a little too scented for my palate, I prefer the Theotoky Aspro." The obsession with luxury food and drink is a funny part of Bond's character, part of what makes him unique from other action heroes, so I love it when they put these sorts of things in. Reminds me of the line from Goldfinger, where he says, "My dear girl, there are some things that just aren't done, such as drinking Dom Perignon '53 above the temperature of 38 degrees Fahrenheit. That's just as bad as listening to the Beatles without earmuffs!" Oh James, you snooty bastard.
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Dec 6, 2023 17:24
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DarkSol posted:I love how dark FYEO is in places. Bond strands a guy underwater to a slow death and kicks a car off a ledge. We're shown a guy blowing up in a diving suit, Blofeld finally getting his just desserts (as a tiny vignette, to boot!), a woman violently being run down, a bunch of mooks getting blown up trying to break into the Lotus. There's also a little moment in TSWLM with the grenade in the dead navy officer's hand, where Bond's reaction on seeing it isn't casual insouciance or impending smug quippery - it's pure "I'm going to die painfully in three seconds unless I do something right now."
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Dec 6, 2023 17:47
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F_Shit_Fitzgerald posted:Better than Spy Who Loved Me? That's a genuine question because that's generally seen as one of his best movies. It is good, though, if a bit forgettable. I've never vibes with that film at all. I'd rate it at the bottom of Moore's run along with Moonraker if I'm honest.
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Dec 6, 2023 18:38
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gohuskies posted:It also has the snootiest line of dialogue about alcohol in the entire franchise, when Kristatos suggests at dinner that they order a certain white wine and Bond responds "If you'll forgive me, that's a little too scented for my palate, I prefer the Theotoky Aspro." The obsession with luxury food and drink is a funny part of Bond's character, part of what makes him unique from other action heroes, so I love it when they put these sorts of things in. There's a ton of snooty comments Bond makes about alcohol that, if you look at them as a whole, makes him seem like a huge alcoholic. Like in Goldfinger, after being told that the brandy sucks, Bond quips with "I'd say it was a 30-year-old fine, indifferently blended, sir... with an overdose of bon-bois." Or in Diamonds are Forever, where he tells M that the sherry he's having is amazing and says a year. M replies that there are no "years" for sherry. And Bond retorts with "I was referring to the original vintage on which the sherry is based, sir. 1851, unmistakable."
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Dec 6, 2023 19:27
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Then he drinks a bud with lime in License to Kill lol.
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DarkSol posted:There's a ton of snooty comments Bond makes about alcohol that, if you look at them as a whole, makes him seem like a huge alcoholic. Yeah, I absolutely love both of these lines as well. Bond is an insufferable know-it-all throughout the movies but it's best when he does it about booze.
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Dec 6, 2023 19:31
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Bond correcting M on mission-irrelevant details with obscure expertise in the plot setups is always a delight.
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Gaius Marius posted:Then he drinks a bud with lime in License to Kill lol. He's in a dive bar! When in Rome and all that jazz lol
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Dec 6, 2023 19:39
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DarkSol posted:There's a ton of snooty comments Bond makes about alcohol that, if you look at them as a whole, makes him seem like a huge alcoholic. Yeahhh, seems like.
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I know this is like the most boring Bond take imaginable but for me it really did peak with From Russia With Love. I just don't think there was ever a better balance where the gadgets and spy stuff are certainly there and used on a satisfying way, but without undercutting the seriousness of the situations. It's all the things that are considered iconic in Bond, but not dialed up to 11 like they did with the rest of the Connery and Moore era. And if I'm comparing it to Dalton's two films and Craig's run, I just prefer Connery and I prefer a film made in the 60s to the more modern stuff.
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ynohtna posted:Bond correcting M on mission-irrelevant details with obscure expertise in the plot setups is always a delight. quote:Unusually small for a Nymphalis polychloros. loving Bond just dunking on M on M's own hobby is just hilarious. Like why would Bond know anything about lepidoptery?!
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Basebf555 posted:I know this is like the most boring Bond take imaginable but for me it really did peak with From Russia With Love. I just don't think there was ever a better balance where the gadgets and spy stuff are certainly there and used on a satisfying way, but without undercutting the seriousness of the situations. It's all the things that are considered iconic in Bond, but not dialed up to 11 like they did with the rest of the Connery and Moore era. And if I'm comparing it to Dalton's two films and Craig's run, I just prefer Connery and I prefer a film made in the 60s to the more modern stuff. From Russia With Love and Casino Royale are absolutely my favorite Bond movies. They're just so...clean and straight forward. And before I watched it, I never new Robert Shaw was sexy as hell once.  I had only seen him before in Jaws, The Sting, and The Taking of Pelham One Two Three. But hot drat, I was not prepared for this.
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We really should've had like 20 more years of great Shaw performances, it sucks that we were robbed of that.
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But speaking of the Bond and booze conversation, we have this exchange between Bond and Grant (Shaw) about how Bond knew he wasn't who he was saying he was. Bond: “Red wine with fish.” Grant: “You may know the right wines, but you’re the one on your knees.”  That movie rules so hard.
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Dec 6, 2023 20:05
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It's great because you get the sense that Grant has been waiting a long time for the chance to test himself against Bond. Like, measuring himself against Bond is a big deal to him, and then Bond is just like "yea dumbass, you gave up the game almost immediately because you don't know wine pairings..."
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Dec 6, 2023 20:08
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Red Grant remains the best anti-bond the franchise has done. That opening leading to the whole cat and mouse game until Bond cooly but barely manages a win
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thrawn527 posted:From Russia With Love and Casino Royale are absolutely my favorite Bond movies. They're just so...clean and straight forward. You're blowing my mind, I never realized it was the same Robert Shaw in FRWL and Jaws. The Spy Who Loved Me feels a bit like a "greatest hits" album of Bond tropes versus something with it's own unique identity, so I like it, but it's not one of my favorites. To weigh in on FYEO, it's definitely my second favorite of the Moore films. I really dig Octopussy, which is unpopular, but I love the campiness of the Moore era so it's basically perfect for me. Most of Bond as a concept is kind of silly and over the top to me, so I don't mind when they indulge in that aspect. Other then Sheriff Pepper, that is, who gets all scenes fast-forwarded through when Im watching one with him in it. The slide whistle in Man with the Golden Gun is bad enough, but the fact that it's followed by a closeup of his fat rear end rolling over in the car is even worse IMO.
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Big Bizness posted:You're blowing my mind, I never realized it was the same Robert Shaw in FRWL and Jaws. I do not understand what they were doing with J.W. Pepper. When I watched the two movies he popped up in, I honestly thought he may have been from something else, and it was a weird crossover thing because the 1970's were dominated by drugs. But nope, just a dumb character they thought we were all dying to see come back.
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Apparently Brits thought it was a loving riot.
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Basebf555 posted:It's great because you get the sense that Grant has been waiting a long time for the chance to test himself against Bond. Like, measuring himself against Bond is a big deal to him, and then Bond is just like "yea dumbass, you gave up the game almost immediately because you don't know wine pairings..." It's basically the finger count thing from Inglorious Basterds. Truly blending in requires innumerable small details.
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thrawn527 posted:I do not understand what they were doing with J.W. Pepper. When I watched the two movies he popped up in, I honestly thought he may have been from something else, and it was a weird crossover thing because the 1970's were dominated by drugs. But nope, just a dumb character they thought we were all dying to see come back. A dumb, racist character they thought we liked. As someone who has a ton of Cajun relatives, Sgt. J.W. Pepper is such a loving awful caricature.
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Gaius Marius posted:Apparently Brits thought it was a loving riot. Honesty fair. Pointy head is the weirdest racial slur??? Insult?! I’ve ever heard Wtf is that
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thrawn527 posted:That movie rules so hard. It really does. The only part I remember sagging a bit is the boat chase ending which I think was due to a few production problems, and the bit in the Roma camp is a bit yikes-y nowadays (maybe it was then, idk). Grant steals the show, but also Bey is just a hilarious character. The spycraft is pretty terrific with the Brits and Spectre playing off of the Soviets. Trains are cool. Istanbul is cool. Just a very good film. Gotta see it again.
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From Russia with Love was the peak of the series before it began to descend into self parody with Goldfinger. I've never particularly cared for Goldfinger but FRWL is easily one of the top five Bond films.
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DarkSol posted:He's in a dive bar! When in Rome and all that jazz lol James Bond does strike me as the type to be a massive performative snob about alcohol but when there's no one that he can be bothered trying to impress he'll drink anything.
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Fraser Crane used to chill in a dive bar every week.
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I like the scene in You Only Live Twice where Bond shows off his knowledge of proper sake temperature(which from what I understand isn't always correct depending on the sake).
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Basebf555 posted:I like the scene in You Only Live Twice where Bond shows off his knowledge of proper sake temperature(which from what I understand isn't always correct depending on the sake). https://www.urbansake.com/007-on-sake-you-only-drink-twice/ posted:
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Ghost Leviathan posted:James Bond does strike me as the type to be a massive performative snob about alcohol but when there's no one that he can be bothered trying to impress he'll drink anything. I've always wondered if the other 00 agents are polymaths like Bond or he's just the pinnacle of British exceptionalism. Like someone earlier pointed out, Bond only figures out that Grant is a fake because of the poor pairing of wine and entrée. So... that implies that all other agents within MI6 would know that red wine doesn't pair well with fish and that this is something that they are taught as their education as agents or Bond got really lucky with his hunch and would have made the same accusation if the real agent had made the same mistake because they're less "cultured" than Bond.
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DarkSol posted:I've always wondered if the other 00 agents are polymaths like Bond or he's just the pinnacle of British exceptionalism. He doesn't really figure it out because of the wine pairing though. He sees Grant drug the girl, that's what causes him to initially hold his gun on Grant, then Grant is able to diffuse that by pretending to look at the map. It's not until Grant has Bond on his knees ready to kill him that Bond makes the comment about the red wine with fish. It's something he's annoyed that he didn't think more about in hindsight. So really my earlier comment isn't quite right, Grant gave up the game by being clumsy when he tried to drug the girl.
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That's one of the most genius parts of From Russia: Grant and Bond are pretty evenly matched. Grant spends most of the movie trailing Bond and learning how he operates, and then when he gets a chance to go after him, Bond only prevails because of the briefcase gadget and his quick thinking. Both Dr. No and From Russia are better than any of the other Connery films because they rely so much on Bond's wits rather than flashy gadgets (and loving Pussy Galore to get her to "see his side of things").
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Bond is also immediately suspicious of Grant because of his size. He makes a comment to him about how he's "very fit", because presumably the guy he's supposed to be meeting is just a regular agent who happens to work out of this region, not a 00. So right away the wheels are turning in Bond's head that something isn't right about this guy.
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Basebf555 posted:He doesn't really figure it out because of the wine pairing though. He sees Grant drug the girl, that's what causes him to initially hold his gun on Grant, then Grant is able to diffuse that by pretending to look at the map. It's not until Grant has Bond on his knees ready to kill him that Bond makes the comment about the red wine with fish. It's something he's annoyed that he didn't think more about in hindsight. Part of me always felt like Bond was just needling Grant for being uncultured or below him. We're told at the beginning of the movie that Grant is a criminal and a killer. While Bond also kills, he carries an air of sophisitication on him. We see him in fancy clubs and doing high brow activities. Small Strange Bird posted:Bond's clear but contained anger at Ferrara's murder, and its payoff when he deals with Locque, is definitely one of Moore's best moments. I always thought the ruthlessness of Locque's death was because of: 1) Lisl's murder since Locque's thugs ran her down in cold blood She just happened to get caught up in Kristatos's scheme to frame Columbo. And 2) Revenge for Melina's parents, since Locque hired Gonzales. Ferrara was in the spycraft biz and potentially being killed by the other side would have been a known risk. Why would Bond get attached to him after one or two interactions? Also... I just realized that the actor that played Gonzales is the same guy who told Richard Pryor that he shouldn't be able to program what he did in Superman III. lol
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DarkSol posted:Part of me always felt like Bond was just needling Grant for being uncultured or below him. We're told at the beginning of the movie that Grant is a criminal and a killer. While Bond also kills, he carries an air of sophisitication on him. We see him in fancy clubs and doing high brow activities. That's definitely a part of it. He's basically calling Grant a blunt instrument, a run of the mill thug.
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Speaking of Columbo, Topol was a delight in that role. I liked Columbo.
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well why not posted:Fraser Crane used to chill in a dive bar every week. I've never been quite sure how you define a dive bar, Cheers always came off far more as your cosy local. Moe's is a dive bar.
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Big Bizness posted:You're blowing my mind, I never realized it was the same Robert Shaw in FRWL and Jaws. Me too...geesus, one of those "How the heck didn't I know this" type things given how many times I've seen both movies.
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Colostomy Bag posted:Me too...geesus, one of those "How the heck didn't I know this" type things given how many times I've seen both movies. Oh, agreed, it destroyed me when I watched it, looked him up on IMDb, and thought, "Hang on a minute..."
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Ghost Leviathan posted:I've never been quite sure how you define a dive bar, Cheers always came off far more as your cosy local. Moe's is a dive bar. If it has a red neon sign in the window that just says "BEER", it's a dive bar.
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