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I literally just finished watching season 2. Non-spoiler thoughts here. If S1 was a 10/10, I'd say this was a 8/10. Still really entertaining, but there was a strong amount of nuance and dimension in the main characters in the first season that seemed to be lost in this one. It was a tough act to follow up, but there were a lot of moments I felt a bit like eye-rolling at how contrived a lot of the setups were for big events. Though I guess John effin Kreese alone telegraphed that things would get way less subtle. In particular this season made Daniel and Sam LaRusso much less sympathetic IMO. Daniel-San was so drat petty and hyper-reactive about everything, it was actually pretty distracting how little thought or investigation he put into anything. If that's the definitive direction they're going for with him, I guess that's ok, but he was way more organic in the first season. I couldn't really tell if it was sloppy writing or actually intentional, but it's probably a bit of both. He was clearly a shitheel when he stormed into Johnny's apartment and was a pretty big hypocrite about his own kid seeking refuge with Lawrence as opposed to the reverse when he was letting the man's son live with him. Sam's arc was kind of WTF. Her ish with Tory started from her own mistaken accusation of stealing her mom's wallet and frankly she never owned up to it in the show, which comes off as kind of big deal if you think about it for even a second. Yeah she got pushed into dessert, but frankly she also grabbed the girl's bag. By the end it's clear that Tory is batshit (which I wish again, had more nuance and less... 80s writing), but Sam shares a lot of the same pushing off all culpability onto I think I've always been annoyed by the actor for Robbie, he just has an annoying presence and really dumb hair. I found it kind of funny he didn't even get an ending scene after the big fight. Was he arrested? Does his dad even care? I'm def. on Team Johnny at this point. If only he were smart enough to explain his situation and motivations better to assholes like LaRusso. But alas, he's just going to have to settle for mourning in the arms of his high school sweetheart after we find out she's a widow with two cute dogs. Also hoping Miguel is OK. I wouldn't be shocked if he's paralyzed, but I'd be pretty sad if he dies. Hell, I'd be sad if he's paralyzed too, so I'm hoping they extend the hyper cheesy 80s poo poo to Miguel making a miraculous recovery and being the man once again.
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That's got to be an insult for DiCaprio, but I haven't watched his Growing Pains footage since they first aired back in the day. Robbie vaguely resembles Shawn Hunter from Boy Meets World, IMO, but the actor's pretty awful at playing believable "at-risk" youths. On the show, I admit I should really go and watch KK3. I only watched the first two plus that Jackie Chan reboot attempt. It's clear I'm missing out on some backstory which wasn't at all important in season 1, but Kreese's presence only looks to get bigger next season. edited for minor spoiler iamsosmrt fucked around with this message at 07:36 on Apr 27, 2019 |
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Roach Warehouse posted:Dimitri is either the best or worse character in any scene he's in. E.g. Worst: "I hate learning karate and painting fences." Best: The Moon's house comedy roast of Hawk. I enjoy the earnest Daniel/Johnny scenes (they went to a bar in S1 and were close to having a "friendly" sparring session too), but the most disappointing thing about each is they may as well be non-canon since neither scene seems to have any effect on their relationships going forward. Not even a hint of "Johnny's an rear end in a top hat, but he's actually not too bad, maybe I shouldn't jump to extreme conclusions every time I hear anything about him" immediately afterwards. Weasling Weasel posted:I liked watching every single episode, but somehow the season as a whole was dissapointing? Maybe just down to a lack of any resolution at all, stuff kinda just happened and characters developed sporadically without their being any pay-off at the end (other than the fight scene in the high-school which was pretty dope for a TV Show). However, it was emotionally weighty when it needed to be, was sorta funny, and it's hard to not enjoy 80's synth-pop and training montages. It'll be curious how they resolve the school fight, since realistically, it'd be insane to let any of those kids back, and if anything, most of them should be arrested and spending some time in juvi. But my guess is they'll ignore it and pretend the injuries to Miguel are the only thing of consequence.
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Apr 27, 2019 16:22
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Oh poo poo I forgot about the failson. My guess is they must've paid attention to maybe 1 source of feedback from the first season and responded in kind with this season. Failson must not have been well liked, as I think he was effectively replaced by Mr. Edward 40hands Stingray. Anyone seen any behind the scenes material on this show? I'm guessing only a handful of actors took serious fight training because honestly only like Hawk, Miguel and a couple of others can throw believable kicks and punches. Sam needs to step her game up, she's like watching Shane McMahon embarrass people as he peppers pro wrestlers with the shittiest pulled punches I've ever seen. If Miguel is indeed out of commission next season, the student fighting's going to take a pretty big nose dive. I really just want to see him wreck Robbie properly next season Also, after the one episode of Johnny's mini reunion, I have a huge appreciation for William Zabka's looks, because man did the other Cobra Kai age like poo poo.
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Has anyone here actually taken karate classes? I've never done it, but I'm just curious how deep the classes and lessons tend to seep into people's lives. I mean it's clearly more important than life itself in Cobra Kai, but even in the original Karate Kid, it felt more like karate was more of a side component of Daniel learning life from Miyagi. Also, I wonder if Daniel will take any responsibility for Miyagi-do breaking Miguel's entire backside, or if he's just going to pass it off as evil Cobra-kai blood tainting his lessons.
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Rocksicles posted:My grandfather learned karate and Judo in Japan after the war, he became a black belt in both and a national judge in Judo in Australia. Two of his kids were champions here. One of them was for sure the Cobra Kai type, he's a twat. Wait, your uncle is John Kreese and his dad is Daniel-San?
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SimonCat posted:
His wife does a job, but I wouldn't say it was great. She let his over-the-top efforts go on to the point where their business is impacted and they even lose a son. I need to see some interviews or something because I can't decide if Daniel's writing is bad or if he's intentionally this ridiculous. He never even bothered to figure out what kind of person Miguel was and why Sam was ever dating a kid who's only important trait to Daniel is that he's a Cobra Kai member. He's absolutely got a lot of culpability for all the poo poo that's gone down throughout the season. There's never a time where he tries diplomacy, but instead aggressively tries to compete with Cobra Kai and only teaches his students why they should basically always oppose and distrust Cobra Kai specifically, as opposed to simply focusing on self improvement. Daniel-San is a huge instigator and he's also kind of a dumbass for trusting that a teenage boy living in his house ain't going to try to hook up with his teenage girl. I kind of wish they made Robbie and Sam more realistic and start season 3 with a pregnancy angle.
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Often Abbreviated posted:Giving up on the spoiler tags because That's a pretty good argument. I still can't say I'm a fan of the characterization, but you've rationalized it fairly well. I'll probably just have to let go of the more realistic season 1 and accept the Daniel shift for what it is. I'm still curious where his arc will lead him, as he's teetering on being an actual heel at this point. I kind of hope his wife leaves him and ends up with a guy who's actually grounded, humble and doesn't jeopardize all the important things in his life over a pointless and obsessive vendetta.
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Maybe Waah is saying the writing budget was a 2 for $5 McDonald's deal, and they're left with just one Big Mac. Also, after seeing a commercial for incontinence on TV, I realize Hawk was the one "villain" who had justifiable reason to murder his target. gently caress Demetri. Hawk let him hang around for awhile, all the way until he started poo poo talking the one thing Hawk clearly loved, Cobra Kai. Eli's clearly got anger issues, but Demetri was being a poo poo.
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Wait, there's two people in the world named Peyton List?
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Medullah posted:Peyton is a pretty popular name I don't doubt it's a normal name, but it's not exactly Mary or something. Plus I've never heard of a single person of the surname List before. I'll accept the L. Propaganda Machine posted:What bugs me is that the good season 1 writers clearly had something in mind for this year, and I don't hate the Kreese storyline. There just wasn't much inspiration to the kids' storylines. Honestly, Tory with her one-note personality and total lack of backstory and motivation did a lot to mar the season. Her and Dmitry both Agreed, Tory has a decent screen presence and I had higher hopes for her, but they really dropped the ball on having her be a complete psycho for a pretty minor infraction. Hell, I think it would've been pretty easy to find other ways to have a big fight without it coming from a ridiculously scenario. I mean getting on the PA in high school and threatening a girl's life? She probably could've rounded up some kids and challenged Sam at Miyagi-do or something. Like, I'm not clear if it's even possible for her not to face prison time for what happened. Hah, as I think about it a little now, season 3 would realistically be about the national media spotlight and backlash against Cobra Kai and Daniel for producing the high school fight of the century with a ton of injuries (including a teacher), property damage and most importantly happening in a predominantly white community. LaRusso auto would probably fold under competitive pressure and Daniel having to answer for his star pupil and daughter's BF murdering a his daughter's ex at their school.
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pahuyuth posted:I'm gonna write too many words here that no one will care about but... Thanks for that insight. That's pretty cool and I totally agree on the last line. Just out of curiosity, have you ever used any of these martial arts in a real life fight? 80s and 90s action flicks tended to treat martial arts experts as human weapons who could defeat groups of thugs in hand to hand combat with exaggerated theatrics and poses, but the last 15 or so years have seen movies/TV shift to a grittier, more realistic depiction of all out combat. Cobra Kai is the first time in awhile I've seen actual karate depicted earnestly as a threatening martial art for outside combat (Johnny vs. the bully teens in s1, possible spoiler scene in s2). I find these scenes both cool and funny at the same time, because it is pretty ridiculous that these attacks would work in a real altercation.
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Guy A. Person posted:I do think it suffered from 3 main issues IMO which I hope they can course correct but may just be the nature of the beast: I mean, he does say it should be used in defense only, but doesn't ever say that giving a kid a roundhouse kick could probably break his neck or something, and that maybe they should try to disarm people rather than cripple them. The seasons should be longer, either lengthier episodes or more of them. It just felt like they left way too many things in the air at the end. What happened to Tory and Robbie? How does Johnny feel about Robbie now? Does Daniel feel any responsibility? teagone posted:Just got done watching season 2. Pretty good. Season 1 was better though. But lol if they bring back Terry Silver next season. They have to now, so that he can join up with Kreese again. And then Johnny is gonna team up with Danny lmao. loving lets go.
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So Tori is the show's Daenerys insert right? The writer's clearly have a hard-on for GoT and this season's episode 5 had the Cobra Kai s2 finale written all over it.
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May 13, 2019 17:27
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That's taking my allusion too seriously.
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waah posted:Please be Terry Silver in season 3. They should throw everyone for a loop and bring Chozen in to team with Johnny. Make him a Japanese car magnate just to troll Daniel a little more. poo poo, to add more drama, have it turn out that Daniel's actually active Facebook friends with Kumiko.
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Anyone have William Zabka's contact? I'll send my million dollar idea ASAP. Thanks and you're welcome.
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SuperKlaus posted:Wow this all sounds pretty nuts from the standpoint of having seen only S2E1. I stuck with S1 because it stayed just on the right side of the hackneyed writing line. I remember one instance - maybe when Miguel saw Sam with Robbie at the pool / house? - where I had my eyes set to roll, assuming we were in for a classic mutual misunderstanding situation that would throw all their relationships askew and fuel a cliché plot. Then Miguel Facetimed Sam and they hashed it out in a minute. I feel like that happened a few times and was very refreshing; the kids very believably just talked to each other and stupid BS didn't become stupid BS like it would...in an 80s movie. Y'all are telling me S2 goes right down the stupid BS road. It's not a big time investment, friend. You should just watch it all and join us.
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Spacebump posted:Season 3 could own. Oh poo poo, my grand idea is possible. LividLiquid posted:There is no problem season 2 had that wouldn't have been solved by a moment that almost happened in the last episode. I agree in general. If Elizabeth Shue does end up coming in for S3, there's pretty much only one thing she could contribute that wouldn't be ridiculous, and that's shaming them for being grown-rear end fuckups who haven't gotten over highschool, providing the "what did we do" lesson they badly need. If they don't get to that point by the end of S3, I think the series will be dead in the water, because they've gone almost as far as this premise can go.
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Propaganda Machine posted:Not really. I'm hoping that's an intentional fakeout, because there's very little justification for that big tease at the end of the last season otherwise. I really just wanna know Miguel's fate. Poor kid
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I thought it was clever that the show played up the negative aspects of Daniel's character from the movies and the show. Yeah he was definitely bullied in the original movie, but there are aspects of his character then and in Cobra Kai that pushed things along. These are things I've only seen as an adult looking back, not during my first viewings as a kid.
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Just caught up and finished the season. I thought it was mostly pretty good but it suffered from too many characters and not enough time to let most of the storylines breathe. The contrivances for misunderstandings and betrayals felt a little lazier and often made some characters way less sympathetic--especially Daniel. I thought the prom episode was pretty lame though, leaned way too much into cheesy melodrama and Stingray is gross. Terry Silver is a great villain and has a great presence whenever he's on screen. I hope he employs Tory as a franchise sensei or something so she can finally stop working lovely jobs
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Edgar Allen Ho posted:The cheesy melodrama is the heart of the show though. Like, I get it, it's a shockingly good netflix show based on the goddam Karate Kid franchise. The original actors are all great. I mean, I get that, but everyone has their own cheesy limits I guess. The couples dancing and fighting was a bit much for me. It's all good, the tournament was strong IMO, though I'll always stan Miguel on the show so I'm always a bit disappointed when he gets the short end of the stick. No Retreat No Surrender is one of my favorite action flicks
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I legit thought it looked like Miguel was doing a Ryu/Ken hurricane kick for a second and got super hyped. The sudden twist into what looked like a back breaking injury got me pretty good. Overall though, Miguel was just kinda there, even the little tension with Sam didn't have a real payoff or growth moment. She wasn't even given a reaction to his disappearing to Mexico. I also wish Johnny had more reactions during the tourney, Hawk was his pupil for awhile, I think he was even officially Eagle Fang before he quit karate?
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That championship fight was maybe the only time I've thought Sam looked somewhat believable as a karate practitioner so I thought it was pretty great.
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Part of early season 1's charm for me was how bad and cheesy the karate fighting looked, especially the adults. They've mostly all improved over time, probably as the series got bigger and they realized they actually have something here. I would guess they actually started putting all the actors in legit, rigorous training. I assume half the main cast were actors first and half were athletes/practitioners turned actors. And yeah, Miguel did look a bit chubby and they seemed to withold him from intricate action sequences, I hope he's healthy and ok. Someone said he's been cast in a superhero flick? Full disclosure I haven't looked up anyone's background so forgive my ignorance if I'm missing anything. iamsosmrt fucked around with this message at 22:12 on Feb 6, 2022 |
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Just finished it and drat what a season. I hope there's more. It's cheesy and stupid at times but they hit all the right bears when they needed to. I'm glad that Chosen survived. He became one of my favorites and they definitely set it up that it could've gone that way. There's still a lot of loose ends, including the world tourney to address, though not sure if it'd still be called Cobra Kai considering what happened. Penis Breath probably has to move to another town though, dude's gotta be a pariah after backstabbing his friends pretty badly. The only issue with a potential season 6 is lacking a big baddie to drive the story. It wouldn't feel organic if one of the international schools became a dramatic threat, and those Cobra Kai senseis weren't that compelling aside from being badass goons. Maybe a full season wouldn't be needed, though I don't know if a movie would be a good way to conclude things. Main things left would be seeing Johnny and Daniel complete their character arcs, Chozen getting with Kumiko, and the kids fully taking the Miyagi/Eagle Fang karate reins/mending all the tensions in the valley with the philosophical lessons and balance. Carrying on the legacy. It's not 100% vital, but still, it's an epilogue that I think most of us would want to see. iamsosmrt fucked around with this message at 02:51 on Sep 15, 2022 |
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The funniest thing about Kim Da Eun is her terrible accent, which sounds like her trying to ham up a generic evil Asian accent through her Aussie one. She doesn't sound remotely like someone raised in S. Korea. It didn't detract too much from the season overall, but she's got like zero compelling connection to the remaining characters besides Tory and Devon. She could be made somewhat interesting with Kreese, but there's not much to look forward to wrt to them. I kinda wish they held off on Terry Silver's downfall iamsosmrt fucked around with this message at 01:25 on Sep 16, 2022 |
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pentyne posted:I think this show was perfect in early seasons when they hit the right combination of everyone acting like they do in the 80s movies with the occasional modern person almost breaking the 4th wall to go "what the gently caress are you people doing?" I don't entirely disagree with your sentiments but it's gotta be pointed out that Chozen beat a bunch of valley jamoke senseis trying out to be Cobra Kai senseis, and it's clear Chozen is like Vegeta on Namek to their saibamen level. The sensei that it took Chozen and Daniel was like Ginyu squad before the heroes had their big training/zenkais. The Miyagi students standing up to the bigger squad was based on their defensive training to protect the egg and whatever Chozen trained them after. Inch wide/mile deep vs. mile wide/inch deep. The rest of your statement is fair enough, the show pretty much knows it's pretty ridiculous at this point, I think it leaned into it to.just the right levels to not overdo any one cheesy thing too much. I'm glad they didn't overdo the miscommunication leads to problems schtick of the first 4 seasons too much and just had things hash out and develop according to fights and conversation.
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They should bring in JCVD to play his Russian villain from No Retreat No Surrender as the head baddie for the Sekai Tekkai. They were pretty much Cobra Kai but then times more aggressive anyway
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I look at it as a show that was a bit weak when it was trying to be genuinely good and is really good when it leans into being schlock. After 5 seasons it didn't want to drag out certain dramas too much (Miguel's daddy issues, Amanda's disapproval of Daniels crusade, the teens miscommunication) and wanted to give us the proper fan service we as fans have wanted since season 1. The long build up to everything, including the rivals teaming up against a greater evil was a great pay off, which is why season 6, though very welcome, feels almost unnecessary now.
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Only thing I'd really change is they should have made this season longer and done the tournament with Silver's downfall, a long with Chozen finally getting his boo. Kreese could've stayed rotting or been released a rehabilitated man at peace. Everything else basically wrapped up satisfyingly as far as the series.
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Stingray's been a terrible person but he's a semi fun character. Anyway, he's above redditors just for the fact that he had legit moves. I was actually surprised by his athleticism against those teens.
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ram dass in hell posted:this will insantly become my favorite show of all time if this happens and everyone's furious and like, the LaRussos are washing their groceries and poo poo and getting vaccinated and Johnny is wearing a cloth mask on his chin and poo poo. well karate tournament is cancelled because 15 days to stop the spread. huh. well let's see if the senseis are able to get their unemployment claims processed Heh, now that everybody's friends, this would be the most realistic schism between the LaRussos and Lawrence's family.
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Frankly I kinda wish they did finish the Kreese arc with his prison death. Martin Kove is 76 and probably isn't to have any great climatic battle at this point. Would have been fine with the final season being the world tournament and Johnny either completely burying Cobra Kai or taking it back and turning it into a positive dojo. Kreese dying could've served as a big impetus for Johnny's final maturation. Anyway, it's fairly open ended now so tbd about where they go with Kreese.
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Dr Christmas posted:I’m halfway through the season, having fun. Funny if it turned out Barnes store was burned down by disgruntled employees who weren't expecting to get assaulted by a Japanese karate master and their boss not filing charges or providing proper medical coverage.
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One of the particulars that work well for Cobra Kai that many other older franchises would have issue with is how gracefully their original cast members aged. They're mostly reasonably fit, not victims of too much plastic surgery, and have a spry energy that doesn't make you feel bad. It's just enough that you can laugh with them on the ridiculous 80s poo poo instead of feeling bad for laughing at them.
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Nah if they do a reboot, at this point they should go for a Chrono Cross inspired follow up where it's a whole new cast with some uncertain connection to the McFly/Brown families but dealing with the unforseen ramifications of their time travel.
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I'm with the don't remake BttF crowd, the original was pretty near perfect as it was, and even perfectly holds it's place in time staying solely within 1985 and 1955. The series quality barely withstood the sequels anyway, where everyone's fond memories of 2 are solely the interesting 2015 designs and no one really mentions 3. Besides it's unlikely any modern major studios would do it justice as anything more than a soulless cash grab.
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