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I know the joke about culture being cyclical comes up a lot but it's really tacky to do a reboot so soon after the show.
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since this thread has popped back up https://twitter.com/cnni/status/1159429246504374277
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Jose posted:since this thread has popped back up I wanna drink the nuke juice
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*me uncorking a bottle of soviet nuke vodka in the corner* no dude just get me soda water, diet soda has fake sweetener in it that poo poo's bad for you.
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Jose posted:since this thread has popped back up 
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It doesn’t matter what mask they wear, Monarchist peasant shithole, authoritarian state socialism, or neo-fascist wannabe czarists... Russia will always be Russia
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The thread got closed before I got the chance to say - I watched the series and it was very good. Currently reading Atomic Accidents which is very entertaining, but the author plays fast and loose with his views/opinions getting dropped everywhere. It's extremely conversational. I tried to read The Making of the Atomic Bomb but holy gently caress it was intensely technical, at least in the first 1/4 or less I made it though. Like I really don't and can't understand the chemistry behind the beginnings of this question (can we split the atom and make a bomb), and I don't need to know every scientists complete backstory including the boring parts. I may try to pick it up again later because I'm genuinely interested in the logistics and scope of the Manhattan Project, and the experiments. It also bears repeating that Command and Control is one of the best books you will ever read.
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Making of the Atomic Bomb is fantastic and the science is pretty easy for me, a guy who never went to college or took a chemistry or physics class. It’s really a history or the Manhattan project, so all those backgrounds are actually essential. Speaking of books that are basically nothing but opinions “How The End Begins: The Road to a Nuclear WW3” is extremely garbage Julius CSAR fucked around with this message at 00:27 on Aug 10, 2019 |
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Another on the mystery Russian nuclear rocket: https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-49301438 "Isotope power source" for the rocket? The only think I can think of is that they were testing a PU-238 power source ICBM. OR they're totally full of poo poo and had a criticality accident analogous to the Demon Core. If it was an Isotope which happened to be dispersed from the explosion, I wouldn't expect a "radiation level spike" but reporting of these events is notoriously inaccurate thanks to the poor technical background of the journalists. They could mean a "contamination level increase" which quickly diluted into the nearby environment.
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It sure sounds like a criticality excursion to me
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/9M730_Burevestnik The current Russian nuclear-powered missile program. If I understand the tech right its basically a ramjet but has a little reaction going instead of some sort of fuel to keep it going. It would likely need some sort of other propellant to get up to speed before the ramjet would be very efficient so maybe they had a problem with that. RaffyTaffy fucked around with this message at 06:14 on Aug 10, 2019 |
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RaffyTaffy posted:https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/9M730_Burevestnik Yeah ramjets require a rocket usually to get up to speed, but I think the real problem with nuclear powered ramjets is the typical inability to adequately shield the reactor
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I would guess the rocket fuel exploding would be less likely to result in the big spike in radiation? Thought from other discussion on this I was reading. quote:I strongly suspect that the nuclear engine is not moved in a fueled state due to it being a supercritical mass of fissionable material in a basically uncontained state. I suspect that the fuel is assembled into flight configuration just prior to launch, quote possibly by the Serbryanka crew since they represent the company that manufactures the fuel. That opens up the possibility of an accident during assembly. Serebryanka is a nuclear fuel carrier that is on site for the previous tests. Here is a report on the Tory reactor the US project from the 50s used. Maybe someone smarter can find some context out of it. https://www.osti.gov/biblio/4333232-tory-ii-nuclear-ramjet-test-reactor RaffyTaffy fucked around with this message at 10:30 on Aug 10, 2019 |
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Season 2 confirmed!?  https://twitter.com/clmazin/status/1160319021394173952?s=21
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https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/29390/russia-will-briefly-evacuate-village-near-site-of-nuclear-powered-missile-accident ```Russia Will "Briefly" Evacuate Village Near Site Of Nuclear-Powered Missile Accident``` Supposedly the test was on a platform out in the water. I am guessing whatever left fell into the water and maybe that is still hot. While you bring it back up get everyone you don't control out of the area for more security over the story.
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hi guys i haven't watched the show or read the thread but i heard it was a disingenuous psyop what gives??
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RaffyTaffy posted:https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/29390/russia-will-briefly-evacuate-village-near-site-of-nuclear-powered-missile-accident  Pripyat was "briefly" evacuated too.
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What is Nazism?
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Jose posted:since this thread has popped back up owns
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...and it's back in the news. Forest fires in the exclusion zone are sending debris airborne, levels up to 2.3 uSv/h have been observed. Presumably the counter has a maximum range greater than that. https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/chernobyl-radiation-levels-spike-as-forest-fires-rage/ar-BB12eU4A
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2.3, not great. Not terrible.
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Julius CSAR posted:2.3, not great. Not terrible. https://twitter.com/clmazin/status/1247412730111254528?s=20
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Yea dipshit let's not get a mammogram CONSTANTLY, though. They typically last in the seconds, right?
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Holy loving poo poo lmao
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Dang It Bhabhi! posted:Yea dipshit let's not get a mammogram CONSTANTLY, though. They typically last in the seconds, right? Yeah the comparison is meaningless without a time component, a screening mammogram is on the order of half a milliSievert, so you’d need to stay in the exclusion zone for about 200 hours
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The Protagonist posted:hi guys i haven't watched the show or read the thread but i heard it was a disingenuous psyop what gives?? (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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Dang It Bhabhi! posted:Yea dipshit let's not get a mammogram CONSTANTLY, though. They typically last in the seconds, right? The stick your boob between two plates, then the plates squish together as far as possible so as to achieve maximum flatness. The radiation may only last seconds, but I hear it feels like an eternity.
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oh hey since this thread is back I got and read midnight in Chernobyl and it’s pretty good and has lots of details on the background like how bukhanov basically designed Pripyat himself. though it paints a starkly different picture of dyatlov than the show
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Raskolnikov38 posted:oh hey since this thread is back I got and read midnight in Chernobyl and it’s pretty good and has lots of details on the background like how bukhanov basically designed Pripyat himself. though it paints a starkly different picture of dyatlov than the show  is this show a disingenuous psyop or not
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Yes, Jared Harris is a known CIA operative
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I recently read about Einstein's idea for an atomic bomb in the 1930's. Isotopic purification hadn't been invented yet. Einstein figured an atom bomb would involve taking a barely subcritical 12-tonne pile of natural uranium, and then slamming graphite into it to go prompt critical. Basically a weaponized Chernobyl. It would be so heavy that it'd have to be delivered by boat, which is what he describes in his famous letter urging FDR to start researching nuclear energy. The proposal to use purified uranium-235 came from a pair of German Jewish physicists in the UK who weren't allowed to work on the most secret project, radar, so they helped the nuclear bomb project instead.
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The letter to FDR wasn’t written by Einstein. Only signed by him so that the president would pay attention to it.
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its a dramatization of a historical event, so depends on if you call that a disingenuous pysop or not
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Julius CSAR posted:The letter to FDR wasn’t written by Einstein. Only signed by him so that the president would pay attention to it. The first letter, to the State Department, was written by Szilard and signed by Einstein. Einstein drafted the famous letter to FDR in German and Szilard translated it. And the atom bomb was Szilard's idea, when he described it to Einstein the man replied "I hadn't thought of that!" The concept envisioned in 1939 of a weaponized graphite-moderated atom bomb would have released way more fallout than the bombs they actually did end up making.
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https://twitter.com/disclosetv/status/1276866881308307459 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Q7jX-k3ifY
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 Going to a crowded beach during COVID-19: Not great, not terrible. (The square building in the background is the leaking Leningradskaya reactor. It appears to be a very mild leak though)
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Most credible historical criticisms of the show is concerning Dyatlov, who bore the brunt of the blame but many maintain that the blame should be primarily on the designers of the reactor and their obscufations. They took some liberties with Dyatlov and some who knew him had better things to say and that he stuck up for the other operators in court, who got scapegoated by the state. The dichotomy of brave truth-seeking scientists vs the KGB and the state covering their asses is a bit misleading too, it was influential and respected scientists involved with the design of the reactor and in the nuclear institutes that managed to co-opt the soviet state in covering both parties asses in the flawed design of the reactor and pushing to fault the operators. The show does heavily critize the design but forgets that many scientists were part of shifting the blame away from the design bureaus and nuclear institute responsible and got the ear of the government. The KGBs inlfuence in this case was small compared to this. And ofc the whole megaton potential steam explosion turning large swathes of europe inhabitable is a huge exagerration. Falukorv fucked around with this message at 11:41 on Jun 28, 2020 |
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Falukorv posted:And ofc the whole megaton potential steam explosion turning large swathes of europe inhabitable is a huge exagerration. Yeah, we wouldn't want europe to become inhabitable. That would be absurd.
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