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Rad-daddio posted:What would need to happen to create an actual nuclear power catastrophe where thousands of people die instantly? Is such an event even possible? I don't think such a thing is possible. Not unless you do something like just cram people into the melted-down reactor or have the whoel plant full of people as an incredibly rapid and catastrophic disaster happens. It's actually not possible for a nuclear reactor to blow up like a nuclear warhead, at least not the uranium fuel and water ones. You can have a disaster where the thing runs out of control and it gets way too hot and evaporates all the coolant and just melts. But you don't really have weapons grade uranium (which means extremely highly enriched uranium, which you don't use in a reactor) in the proper configuration to have a nuclear explosion.
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Zuul the Cat posted:I really loved the first episode. Incredibly bleak and terrifying. I don't understand all the science behind it, but I understand some of it. The scene where they make the poor guy go up on the roof to check if he core is gone was a great one. It's obviously done up for drama but: 1) The firefighter grabbed a hunk of fuel. The radiation levels on that thing (alpha, beta, gamma) are astronomical. In effect, the beta radiation would have done about as much damage to his skin as dipping his hand in acid. I don't think this is too far fetched, maybe a bit fast effect. 2) Because the door was an air concentrator (pressure moving air from the reactor compartment directly past and over him) he would have been inundated with airborne particulates from inside the compartment. Again, probably done up for drama - but the beta effect was likely similar.
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hosed-Up Little Dog posted:I'm spooked by this thread because I powerfully wish I hadn't read about and seen the picture of the Japanese dripping skeleton man in the atomic accidents thread. Why the gently caress did i just seek that image out what's wrong with me
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nothin' better than watchin those commie reds irradiate themselves to death
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Y'all remember that one blog from that motorcycle chick shared here, about her trip in and around the inclusion zone? By far one of my favorite media experiences
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ROFLburger posted:lol @ waiting a week for 1 episode LOL just LOL at anticipating anything amirite
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Randarkman posted:keep in mind that normal and radioactive iodine are chemically identical. So if you get radioactive iodine into your body you can develop some forms of thyroid cancer and other issues later in life, this can however be counteracted with taking iodine tablets and shots (I'm not sure exactly how, maybe "filling you up"? I'm no doctor) for a time until the danger passes (the specific iodine isotope iodine-131 is highly radioactive and decays quickly, which makes it very dangerous in the short-term but relatively harmless in the long-term as it decays into insignificance quickly). Even so it seems as if at least for the thyroid cancers caused by the fallout, they actually are genereally treatable, and survivable with good odds, if treated. yeah, you put a bunch of non-radioactive iodine into the body and the thyroid soaks it all up. so that when the radioactive iodine goes into the body it is passed without absorption because the thyroid is full. otherwise you end up with a radioactive thyroid
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interwhat posted:Y'all remember that one blog from that motorcycle chick shared here, about her trip in and around the inclusion zone? By far one of my favorite media experiences Hell yeah. I think this is her: http://www.angelfire.com/extreme4/kiddofspeed/spring2007.html Her pictures of class rooms, theme park rides and such all stopped in time were amazing and haunting. The Angelfire esthetic is also stuck in time but she's still doing updates. e: The original photoreportage: http://www.angelfire.com/extreme4/kiddofspeed/chapter1.html Bronze Fonz fucked around with this message at 17:49 on May 10, 2019 |
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I kept up with chernobyl up to a few years ago and until they completed the new sarcophagus, now it's "well I guess this thing is someone else's future problem, gg" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n7aMcKinrWY
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Hi, my grandpa-in-law was heavily involved with Chernobyl. For some months he was in charge of the entire site and supervising cleanup operations. My wife has an official ID card stating she's a "victim of Chernobyl" as she was nearby when it happened too. Here is a souvenir he took back from him. A dose measured by it states 33 rem (roentgen per person) which is 330 mSv (millisievert). This was his exposure after 1 month, he won't say what his exposure his 2nd month was.  1986. Chernobyl. He was sent off to the zone to supervise all decontamination works. The pass says "everywhere". He went to Chernobyl twice, in May and in August.  This was his office, they had lead-lined curtains to try to offer some protection.  He was a very cool dude, died just the other year in his 90's with no radiation related health problems but many of his friend died quite early from cancer 
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I'm watching now and it's actually making me feel dread and genuine unease
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Baronjutter posted:Hi, my grandpa-in-law was heavily involved with Chernobyl. For some months he was in charge of the entire site and supervising cleanup operations. My wife has an official ID card stating she's a "victim of Chernobyl" as she was nearby when it happened too. Cool poo poo, your grandpa was a badass
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Tinfoil Papercut posted:Cool poo poo, your grandpa was a badass I wish he wasn't so tight lipped about his military career. Even after the soviet union was no more, even well into his retirement living in a country that didn't even exist when he was serving, he still is totally obsessed with OPSEC or what ever and really won't tell any stories because he doesn't want to risk accidentally saying something that might technically have been classified.
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If anyone really wants to scare themselves, check out how many nuclear generation and waste storage facilities are on the shores of the Great Lakes aka the largest bodies of fresh water on the planet.
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Bronze Fonz posted:Hell yeah. I think this is her: Sickkk yesssss thanks!
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Another Bill posted:If anyone really wants to scare themselves, check out how many nuclear generation and waste storage facilities are on the shores of the Great Lakes aka the largest bodies of fresh water on the planet. I didn't know the soviets were building their mid-century early-generation reactor designs in the US???
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Bronze Fonz posted:Hell yeah. I think this is her: This is rad. I wonder if anyone is going to try the same near Fukushima.
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Baronjutter posted:I didn't know the soviets were building their mid-century early-generation reactor designs in the US??? No matter how well done or accurate this show is done, that's what people will come away from it with. That this could have happened anywhere anytime and we should close all nuclear power plants.
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Zuul the Cat posted:This is rad. I wonder if anyone is going to try the same near Fukushima. Someone did. I'm sure some other goon has a link.
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Baronjutter posted:I didn't know the soviets were building their mid-century early-generation reactor designs in the US??? All systems are fallible friend
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Yeah. The show seems good and accurate but it's like if they made a show about a particularly insidious false rape accusation. The emphasis is gonna create problems all on its own.
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at least we can contrast the event itself versus the impacts of it a third of a century later. like how the area around pripyat is a wildlife preserve at this point, and the engineer inside the plant who had the bleeding leg and who sat down to smoke his last cigarette apparently survived and afaik is still alive today
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We aren't even maintaining water infrastructure well enough to prevent poisoning entire communities. See Flint, Walkerton Ontario etc. Lol if you think nuclear safety is somehow funded and done properly because engineers wear a special ring.
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At the time, Tim Ledbetter was a relatively new hire in PNNL’s IT department, and he was tasked with creating a digital photo library that the DOE’s International Nuclear Safety Project could use to show its work to the American public (or, at least, to the tiny sliver of the population that was online back then). He had project members take photos while they were in Ukraine, hired a freelance photographer to grab some other shots, and solicited images from Ukrainian colleagues at the Chornobyl Center. Intermixed with hundreds of images of awkward bureaucratic handshakes and people in lab coats, though, are a dozen or so shots from the ruins inside Unit 4, where 10 years before, on April 26, 1986, a reactor had exploded during a test of the plant turbine-generator system. https://www.atlasobscura.com/articles/the-famous-photo-of-chernobyls-most-dangerous-radioactive-material-was-a-selfie Ledbetter’s not able to remember exactly where he got these images. He compiled the library almost 20 years ago, and the website on which they were hosted is in rough shape; only thumbnails of the images are left. (Ledbetter, who still works at PNNL, was surprised to learn that any of the site was still publicly accessible.) But he’s sure he didn’t hire someone to take photos of the Elephant’s Foot, so they likely were sent in by a Ukrainian colleague. https://insp.pnnl.gov/-library-uk_ch_1-1.htm
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seems like most people itt are trying to talk actual science and irl situations and all which is cool i just want to say the music and sound design in the trailer was loving great and freaked me out
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Randarkman posted:No matter how well done or accurate this show is done, that's what people will come away from it with. That this could have happened anywhere anytime and we should close all nuclear power plants. yeah that's tragic if it's going to perpetuate more myths about the dangers of nuclear power. The whole subject is super interesting when you actually research it. Researching as deep as my non-nuclear-engineering brain could into Chernobyl ended up just making me more pro-nuclear because it brought an understanding of just how incomparably different the designs and core technology are between that reactor and most others, even of the same era, let alone "modern" designs. Also humans are super weird and bad at weighing gut-reaction risk assessment. A coal or oil plant that will absolutely no questions asked kill thousands and slowly make the earth uninhabitable on purpose is ok because it's on purpose and slowly over time, but a nuclear plant who's impossible worst-case-scenario accident is the area around it having some slightly elevated but not actually dangerous amounts of radiation for a while is a terrifying and an unacceptable risk. But we got a whole energy mega-thread for getting into the weeds of various energy generation technology and it's safety, costs, and politics.
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Voices_from_Chernobyl Chernobyl Prayer: A Chronicle of the Future (UK title) / Voices from Chernobyl: The Oral History of a Nuclear Disaster (US title) is a book by Nobel Laureate Svetlana Alexievich.[1][2] Alexievich was a journalist living in Minsk, the capital of Belarus, in 1986 at the time of the Chernobyl disaster. (At the time Belarus was part of the Soviet Union as the Byelorussian Soviet Socialist Republic.)
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Nuclear power isn't more dangerous than other methods of power generations, so there is no logical reason to single it out as the one thing you simply cannot do because safety. Nuclear power and radiation however is much less understood and feared by the population at large, in addition to generally being subject to much stricter safety regulations than many other industries (which is a good thing and contributes to nuclear power generally being safer than many other industries, because there is much greater acceptance on the part of both industry, government and public to apply safety regulations). also many of the waste storage problems could possibly be kind of solved with development of reactors that can use thorium and plutonium as fuel, which would also be useful in that they could dispose of plutonium from dismantled bombs Randarkman fucked around with this message at 18:48 on May 10, 2019 |
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Zuul the Cat posted:This is rad. 
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Unless you like fossil fuels, nuclear power is the only viable solution to sustain our current quality of life and generate the volume of energy that requires. If you like solar and hydro and wind, I think those are all cool and wonderful. Sadly, they just can't get the job done.
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Tinfoil Papercut posted:Unless you like fossil fuels, nuclear power is the only viable solution to sustain our current quality of life and generate the volume of energy that requires. Well not alone. But together with nuclear it'd be pretty great.
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Another Bill posted:We aren't even maintaining water infrastructure well enough to prevent poisoning entire communities. See Flint, Walkerton Ontario etc. Lol if you think nuclear safety is somehow funded and done properly because engineers wear a special ring. I mean, there's a metric fuckton more safety protocols and safeguards compared to the water industry (because by comparison nobody thinks about giving a poo poo about water) and the reactors are fundamentally different designs than the RBMKs at Chernobyl without weird control rod designs and wacky dangerous high positive void coefficients but okay dude I guess you're right and we'll all turn into super mutants or something  Like you're comparing Walkerton where budget cuts thanks to a ghoulish Conservative provincial government got rid of most of the people responsible for detecting poop in the water to a federally managed nuclear safety commission. Mr Luxury Yacht fucked around with this message at 19:23 on May 10, 2019 |
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The wife and I were watching this. About halfway through she said, "Everybody we've met so far is going to die, aren't they?" The sound/music design is absolutely top notch, by the way. It's like the absolute sound of dread.
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Episode 1 was great, hopefully the season continues as such
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Mirage posted:The wife and I were watching this. About halfway through she said, "Everybody we've met so far is going to die, aren't they?" There were 28 direct deaths so that could account for a great deal of the cast. Haven't seen it yet, due to not having HBO, should probably take a look on a friend's HBO in the next few days.
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Holy poo poo, they didn't exaggerate the scenes with the graphite modulator fragments.
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givepatajob posted:Reading about the guy they kept alive from the Fukushima accident didn't help. does anyone know the name of the book about this dude i think i wanna read it i dont think it was from fukashima though, it was like some accident in 1999 Damo fucked around with this message at 19:51 on May 10, 2019 |
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Help, I'm a goddamn skeleton by Fukishima guy
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Damo posted:does anyone know the name of the book about this dude i think i wanna read it Oh poo poo you'e right. Apologies for the misinformation comrades. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tokaimura_nuclear_accident Book is named "A Slow Death: 83 Days of Raditation Sickness" and I do NOT want to read it. https://www.amazon.com/Slow-Death-Days-Radiation-Sickness/dp/1942993544
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Randarkman posted:No matter how well done or accurate this show is done, that's what people will come away from it with. That this could have happened anywhere anytime and we should close all nuclear power plants. This is my biggest concern.
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