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Halloween Jack posted:They're going to blame the left for their losses and dismiss the left when they win, and Biden eating poo poo in November probably won't change that. Vote for Sanders if he's the candidate who credibly represents your principles and policy goals. Which is what I'm doing. Voting for Sanders and straight D's feels like the best way to make a point about Biden. They won't count Sanders but they'll notice if Biden does materially worse than down ticket races.
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MSDOS KAPITAL posted:Don't vote downballot either, unless the candidate is a socialist running on the Democratic ticket. Which almost never happens. I'm in Missouri so this would mean not voting, which I don't think will work. And I'm desperate to keep our abortion clinic open.
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Mar 17, 2020 15:21
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Venomous posted:how is Biden tangibly better for the working class than Trump? Biden's probably not going to hold rallies encouraging his supporters to shoot minorities and bomb synagogues. That's pretty much it I think.
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Mar 18, 2020 14:49
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How are u posted:I'll be voting for whoever had the (D) on the ticket. gently caress Donald Trump, we cannot afford 4 more years of this absolute madness. What if Trump runs as a Democrat?
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Mar 25, 2020 22:00
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Dixon Chisholm posted:PLEASE stop acting like saying you will never vote for Biden means you will vote for Trump. I'm thinking about voting for Trump. I mean, the Democratic establishment had explicitly stated out the position that centrism is better because it wins elections. So as a leftist, if you want to puncture that argument, isn't the best move to vote for Trump rather than abstaining and effectively casting half a vote for Trump? It's twice as good! Keeping in mind that I'm in a red state where the third party candidates in the ballot are right of Trump. Green party or CP or the like would be the better option if available. (Edit: well, maybe.) PerniciousKnid fucked around with this message at 05:53 on Apr 6, 2020 |
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Apr 6, 2020 05:46
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Falstaff posted:It's not that hard, c'mon. Oh, okay. But seriously, if you want to maximize your voting leverage, isn't the obvious play to say "nominate socialists or we'll vote for your opponent"?
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Apr 6, 2020 17:10
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Condiv posted:no, voting for trump sends the message "i like trump's policies" just like how voting for joe signals "i like rape, murder, and racism" Besides that, I'm not confident the message is as simple as you say. I think even mainstream media ran a few articles about how the groundswell of Trump and Bernie support in 2016 indicated discontent with the elite class. An organized bunch of people voting Trump+straight Democrats would not send a pro-fascist message to anyone worth messaging to. I'll defer to the collective wisdom of left internet and dutifully vote Blank for president, but the reasoning is not completely clear to me.
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Apr 6, 2020 18:12
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Jewel Repetition posted:You should have gone with your gut and stuck to your original idea, PerniciousKnid Maybe, but the more I think about the DNC insisting that we must nominate Biden over Bernie because he will win, the more making Biden lose seems like a leftist imperative.
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Apr 6, 2020 21:02
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How are u posted:Its been clear for some time that Very Online Leftists would rather be governed by fascists than liberals, yep! In my mind, we're going to flip between fascists and fascist sympathizers indefinitely unless we force the Democrats to nominate more progressive candidates, so the only question is how do you force the issue effectively? Vote Red No Matter Who until liberals get the message or have no power.
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Apr 6, 2020 21:14
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How are u posted:I guess you guys will be voting for the rapist after all. Great to see you come around on that. It's just me saying this, I don't think anyone in the thread agrees with me.
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Apr 6, 2020 21:34
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Terror Sweat posted:If you vote green and they get 5% it fucks over the dems from the left so do that I was about to say they're not on my ballot, but I checked and they actually are for the first time I remember. I guess I'll vote Green for the first time since I wrote in Jill in 2012. Is the Green party actually leftist or is it more of a screw-Dems move?
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Apr 6, 2020 22:44
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A4R8 posted:I will be voting for eco-socialist Howie Hawkins of the Green Party or Marxism-Leninist Gloria La Riva of the Party for Socialism and Liberation (PSL) in November. I saw people pimping voting for the CPUSA, that means Constitution Party right?
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Apr 7, 2020 00:44
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Fritz the Horse posted:excuse me, the Democratic Party values democracy above all else. Please ic.
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Apr 7, 2020 03:39
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Nonviolent strikes would be a good start but folks will need arms to fight off the Pinkertons.
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Apr 7, 2020 17:38
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Please pay the DNC to spit in our mouths. For the Muslims.
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Apr 9, 2020 22:13
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As long as Democrats win leftist votes by being slightly less worse Republicans, they will continue to be slightly less worse Republicans and nothing will ever change except by catastrophe.
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Apr 10, 2020 13:57
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volts5000 posted:As I said before, organizing, protesting, and other forms of outreach. The DNC has marketed itself as "the safe alternative", and despite the fact that the strategy has not paid off very well, that's how loyal Democratic voters will vote. They will choose the "safe alternative" every time (with the exception of Obama, but remember how close and ugly the 2008 primary was). Voting, or not voting, will not change how the DNC operates. We have to work around them and outside of them to get any meaningful change. 2008 was against McCain, not Trump; I don't think the safe choice was nearly as important in voters' minds that year. But it was also a party where significantly more Democrats identified as conservative than as liberal, if I remember correctly.
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Apr 10, 2020 18:41
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volts5000 posted:I just don't believe in accelerationism. I don't think it's accelerationism to hold out for a candidate that shares your views.
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Apr 10, 2020 18:43
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volts5000 posted:Look, I'm sorry. It's a calculated vote. I wish to god I didn't have to vote for him. I wanted to vote for Bernie. I did everything I could to get Bernie to the general election. I've never given money to the DNC or Biden and I plan on never giving them any money in the future. Trump was elected partly because the Democratic party has been so feckless, so if you hate Trump then voting for Biden is arguably just begging for Trump 2.0. Regardless, it's not about purity, it's about what you want/need from your candidates. For some people the line is health care or debt relief and for others it's "doesn't espouse white supremacy and misogyny openly."
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Apr 10, 2020 21:38
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Kinda wish the Dems had nominated Kushner just to see Twitter.
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Apr 11, 2020 00:12
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Archonex posted:So you'd rather have us actively rolling back what little progress we had then? That makes no sense. Especially given that Trump and the Republicans don't believe climate change exists and actively try to dismantle any efforts to combat it not just in the country but also internationally. As soon as Biden is elected the centrists would shift from "we can't move left now because we need to beat Trump" to "we can't move left now because that will undercut the president". Like how getting Obama into office didn't lead us toward universal public health care, it just led to Hillary struggling to acknowledge people's health care problems without criticizing Obamacare. We can't get where we need to go by supporting centrists, that road is a dead end.
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Apr 11, 2020 22:53
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The Sean posted:it strikes all of the boxes. Sounds like Biden alright.
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Apr 23, 2020 23:44
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How are u posted:Considering the state of the polling it seems that, as of now, a landslide of people are ready to crawl across broken glass to vote for Joe to defeat Trump. Considering that, I think it's just fine if the small minority who can't bring themselves to vote for Joe exercise their vote in a different way. But is it art?
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Jul 16, 2020 14:49
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I think Howie is more likely to achieve critical mass to stir conversation about how Democrats got stabbed in the back by leftists, and if that isn't your goal then why vote? But La Riva isn't even on the ballot in my state so I haven't had reason to give her any serious thought (which isn't untelated to the previous point).
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Jul 20, 2020 19:10
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There are also uspol posters to whom it genuinely matters that a Democrat is elected, like people with precarious health situations who benefit from the ACA, or another example I can't think of but might exist.
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I'm disappointed. Like, Kevin Sorbo disappointed. And I wasn't even expecting anything.
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