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Has accelerationism worked anywhere, ever? I can think of a few places where it failed spectacularly right off the top of my head. The most famous of course being the slogan, "After Hitler - Us!"
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How do you square that with the fact that the Democratic Party has been moving left for the past 20 years or so? Everything I've seen during my lifetime suggest that electoral success creates room for movement to the left. I mean right now Biden is leading the pack after we lost to the right wing. Isn't that the exact opposite of what you think should happen?
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May 18, 2019 07:06
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bloom posted:Noted left-winger... Joe "Cool Trump" Biden? Prester Jane posted:You mean the out-of-touche douchebag who walked straight off the set of Mad Men/is proud of talking down to the younger generation about how their problems boil down to just not wanting to work hard? That is your evidence of the party moving left? ryonguy posted:This, for loving real. Seeing mother loving Biden as a left candidate and not the same goddamn rightward lurch by Dems in response to the Republicans turning into Nazis in all but name is willful stupidity. I must have phrased that poorly because my point is that after a loss, the current front runner is MORE right wing than last time. Biden is actually the democrat yall liked to pretend Hillary was. Meanwhile after 8 years of Obama the platform and stated policies of the primary candidates had moved to his left. I've never seen any indication that being out of power will make the party better and every indication it will make it worse.
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May 18, 2019 18:45
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Orange Devil posted:Hillary wasn't to the left of Obama. I specifically said "the platform and stated policies" to try and avoid this poo poo. Those things are irrefutably to the left of Obama but I guess we can get into a mind reading competition where we declare that they're all a cover for eating babies. And even if he did not win, Sander's relative success was a far better showing for the left than you saw in previous primaries. 7c Nickel fucked around with this message at 19:00 on May 18, 2019 |
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May 18, 2019 18:57
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In much the same way threatening to stab yourself is a good way to get your kids to clean their room. Protip!
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May 18, 2019 20:07
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twodot posted:Oh! I can play this game! Try to primary them if possible, if not they are 99.9% likely to still be better than the alternative and the more dems in power the more it empowers non-poo poo dems elsewhere in the party.
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May 18, 2019 20:14
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MSDOS KAPITAL posted:That "if possible" is doing a lot of heavy lifting. It is. I'm sorry, but places like West Virginia suck and shits like Manchin might be the best we can get in those scenarios. There are too many lovely chuds out there and they will crawl over broken glass to vote us all into a mass grave. It's the best we can do for now unless we decide to embrace 
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May 18, 2019 20:22
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If the voters are with you you win. If they aren't you don't. The leadership has vastly less power than you like to pretend because it let's you skate on the fact that you don't represent the voters as well as you wish. If the lovely dem wins the primary its because the voters are poo poo and want to wallow in it. Try and change the voters somehow but don't pretend that Americans aren't getting exactly what they vote for. When given a choice between DeLeon and Feinstein, voters decided that "Yes, I DO want more of this poo poo." Note this post is about primaries and not referring to poo poo like gerrymandering, stupid tiny state senators or the electoral college. 7c Nickel fucked around with this message at 20:41 on May 18, 2019 |
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May 18, 2019 20:38
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BENGHAZI 2 posted:That would mean plenty of Dems are down with a group of people that is disproportionately PoC not being able to vote glad we could explain to you that the Dems are okay with disenfranchising voters By Dems you mean democratic voters, who 60% do not want to extend the franchise to felons. This is less poo poo than republicans who are 85% opposed. There is no secret wellspring of leftists ready to jump forth if only we have the correct opinions. We go to war with the army we have, which is moderate and lovely but still better than the alternative and can hopefully be pushed in the right direction before we all die.
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May 18, 2019 21:00
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A big flaming stink posted:mate you cannot possibly believe that this overwhelming bias against prisoners springs forth ex nihilo in the minds of the voting populace. Do I have to repost that Bors comic about gay marriage approval? I believe it springs forth from the fact that a lot of voters are vindictive shits who want to brutalize people they judge as "deserving it". That "tough on crime" bullshit is a bottom up phenomenon where being horrible is rewarded by the voters. America is poo poo because it's people are poo poo, and our leaders are reflective of that.
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May 18, 2019 21:10
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A big flaming stink posted:And do you think people are just naturally "vindictive shits"? Like do you think that is just a genetic reality of white people???? No, but I also don't think the people inculcated into being shits can change. At least not on a statistical level. The hope for the future lies in there being less terrible white people, both in terms of lowering the % of terrible and the % of white. Both of these things ARE happening, which is why I still remain relatively hopeful. 7c Nickel fucked around with this message at 22:00 on May 18, 2019 |
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May 18, 2019 21:22
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Phone posted:it’s not a binary, you don’t have to choose between the fascists and the fascist-enablers It literally is. And not choosing helps whoever you were least aligned with. I like your AV btw, reminds me of stuff from https://rekall.me/. 7c Nickel fucked around with this message at 22:05 on May 18, 2019 |
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May 18, 2019 21:33
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A big flaming stink posted:not only does this speak to a horrific level of cynicism regarding one's fellow human, not only does this belief of demographics as destiny stand on incredibly fraught ground, but you do realize that the time required for these terrible white people to die out will result in the death of billions, right? Yes, millions and millions of people are going to die because a large enough percentage of the population is poo poo. I am not smug or satisfied about this but "That sounds horrible so it can't be true!" is not actually an argument. You will not change this by not voting, you will only make things worse faster. quote:who could have possibly expected people to be less than thrilled with the dichotomy of fascists and fascist enablers? The thing is, that as poo poo as things are they CAN ALWAYS BE WORSE.
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May 18, 2019 23:01
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Paradoxish posted:I forgot this thread existed, so I'm gonna respond to this even though it was from a few pages ago. I'm not sure we're really disagreeing here? In my view, all the labor and agitation is necessary to show/generate the weight behind them that can translate to electoral success. Demonstrating that success builds on itself. Conversely, failure makes people, not just elected official but voters too, look elsewhere and usually that's to who won (the right 99% of the time). It's an almost entirely bottom up point of view. And even if their work doesn't translate to electoral success, that doesn't mean that their point of view isn't correct or that they shouldn't advocate it.
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