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You know, I'm sure there are plenty of Republican voters who aren't crazy about Trump's history with women. They'll try to rationalize it away ("She was his wife, it doesn't count," or "They're all lying" or whatever), or maybe they'll even believe it, but feel they have no choice but to vote for him. After all, they didn't vote for Trump in the primary, the Republican base did, but they're part of the team and they have to vote R. Kind of like what I'm hearing from a lot of D supporters right now with regards to Biden. In a way, I'm sure it must be nice to have no standards. No line in the sand you can point to and say, "This far, and no farther." It's probably very liberating.
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I wouldn't give up on AOC just yet; she still endorsed Sanders at the time when he needed her endorsement the most, and when the politically expedient thing for her to do would have been to withhold that endorsement. I'd wait and see what the PAC she set up does.
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Apr 4, 2020 02:32
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I think Entryism is still a perfectly valid strategy for leftist politics, but for it to work you need to be ruthless. Use whatever power you gain to promote your agenda and drive out others; gain control of the party through any means. This means being willing to accept short-term losses for the possibility of long-term gains. None of that is to say that it would be easy; the Democratic party has proven itself to be very resistant to change, and I'm certainly not going to fault anyone for looking to third parties as a new home. It's your vote and you don't have to listen to anyone else tell you how to use it.
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Apr 4, 2020 06:45
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Unoriginal Name posted:Don't surrender to the right! Specifically, the rapist who wants to ensure Republicans are elected. As opposed to the rapist who wants to ensure Republicans are elected and is also orange.
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Apr 5, 2020 02:18
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PerniciousKnid posted:I'm thinking about voting for Trump. Don't vote for fascists. Also don't vote for quislings. It's not that hard, c'mon. Ghost Leviathan posted:The cognitive dissonance actually does finally seem to be driving liberals crazy as they've had to openly abandon every single one of their stated principles. Idpol was supposed to use guilt and outrage to force compliance but it looks like it's turning on them. This is from a post that was originally made here in D&D, many years ago. I kept it because it was such an oddly honest moment for a neoliberal where they're basically admitting to being a cyberpunk villain. quote:I'm not being defeatist at all. I'm declaring a full on victory an doing a dance about it. I/WE loving WON. The deal is done fucker. Vote for neoliberalism and vote for the professional class and its social liberalism killing safety nets. If you don't do that, say hello to rape kids, blacks not getting to vote, and gays being bashed. I'd say you're a bigot if you don't vote our team.
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Apr 6, 2020 16:43
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I wish I could tell you who it was. It was in a heated thread on socialism back around the time I first joined. I actually saved a bookmark, but that was several computers ago. I kept the text for inspiration, though. Was it a bit? Maybe, but IIRC it was consistent with their other posts in that thread. None were quite as on-the-nose/blatant as that one, though.
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Apr 6, 2020 19:15
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Any Green New Deal Biden passes will be a GND in name only, effectively worse than nothing because it will damage the very idea of a meaningful GND. And Biden will normalize far more of Trump's actions than he will roll back - see Obama and the War on Terror, mass surveillance, etc.
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Apr 7, 2020 20:25
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Sounds to me like you're really eager to vote for a rapist.
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Apr 7, 2020 20:31
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volts5000 posted:That is a complete misrepresentation of my argument. I have not, nor have I ever, supported Joe Biden. If you vote for him, you support him. In fact, if you vote for him, you support the wing of the party he represents. That's just how it works. VitalSigns posted:Biden's all-time body count is still higher than Trump's Half a million civilians. At the low end.
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Apr 10, 2020 21:38
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From a leftist perspective, it matters why and how you're talking poo poo about Trump. Some anti-Trump narratives or statements are actively harmful long-term. E.g., he's too easy on China, he's not bombing this place enough, he half-assed the attempted coup in Venezuela, etc. Also, by itself "talking poo poo about Trump" does not make you part of the Left, even if you think you are, which is key to Ytlaya's statement. I say all this without having listened to more than four minutes of PSA, and having zero desire to do so. (Podcasts aren't really my thing, but even if they were, there's a long list I'd have to exhaust before I'd even consider listening to this one.)
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Jul 16, 2020 22:30
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I don't hate PSA, personally. It's not worth hating. I'm pretty sure it's the same warmed-over tripe liberal punditry I've heard ten thousand times in throughout my entire life, and I'm not interested in wasting my time on it. Frankly, I've already spent too much time talking about it.
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Jul 16, 2020 22:48
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sexpig by night posted:guys it's okay, I've come to save the day. Thank you for your service. 
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Jul 16, 2020 23:31
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Remind me, what happened to the Occupy protests again? And which president was in power when it happened?
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I know I've mentioned this before (in this thread, even), but if you believe the Dems are still worth working with/through, there's also the consideration of which faction(s) your vote is empowering. The Dems aren't a single, unified front, like any major party anywhere in the world they're a bunch of bickering wings and networks of alliances and adversaries, and the wings represented by Biden gain prominence and power within the party with his success - and have their influence and power harmed if he somehow snatches defeat from the jaws of victory this November. Repeated losses is one of the big reasons why the Clinton wing's power has been steadily waning after 2000.
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