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kw0134
Apr 19, 2003

I buy feet pics🍆

TheMcD posted:

This is a typical response. He is realizing that the position he holds in this world is privileged, and that our interference threatens that. He is the Reconstruction-era former Confederacy of States, forming his own Ku Klux Klan deep in his heart.
I need to find some way to use this line in life.

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iospace
Jan 19, 2038


Tangential, I was at a Brewer game during the Hoffman era (the good season). Seeing Hells Bells in person was awesome as all gently caress.

Seraphic Neoman
Jul 19, 2011


I was guessing we were gonna end up with Risa but this ended up being even funnier.

Cooked Auto
Aug 4, 2007

Sure, that's a thing that happened.

Seraphic Neoman
Jul 19, 2011


I just noticed the loving anime poster in the Peaches' locker room lmao

Zizek is actually outraged because she is having sex based on Bobson's choices, such as they are, and not out of her free will. I think he's upset because while he claims everyone is driven by sex, then need to be driven on their own terms, and Risa is not.
Which is a fair point, if it was not overshadowed by the much bigger point of "is she actually 18?"

Seraphic Neoman fucked around with this message at 03:09 on Jun 1, 2019

CirclMastr
Jul 4, 2010

TheMcD posted:

I suppose if you spend enough time doing something, it will begin to seem meaningful...even if it is a poorly written computer game.

This feels like an attack against me.

gyroball
Jul 29, 2003

Fortunately, the people found a mighty Rosenthal, called Trevor.

whispering: Just so everyone knows, it is possible to have each of the other team members in that scene, you just have to try REALLY hard for it not to be Risa

EponymousMrYar
Jan 4, 2015

The enemy of my enemy is my enemy.

gyroball posted:

whispering: Just so everyone knows, it is possible to have each of the other team members in that scene, you just have to try REALLY hard for it not to be Risa
Sounds like the perfect of Easter Eggs.

And a thing that VN's do, where you have a large cast and the easiest one to get with is the one who has the least amount of screentimes because no matter what, you get positive points for them. And the only way to not get them is to not get any negative points with the others.

That might be really old VN's though. Of the 1995 era.

Cooked Auto posted:

Sure, that's a thing that happened.

Zizek makes everything.... Uh.... Umm.... I don't know? He just does ok.

Mukaikubo
Mar 14, 2006

"You treat her like a lady... and she'll always bring you home."
You're right. That didn't go the way I expected it to.


:catdrugs:

TheFlyingLlama
Jan 2, 2013

You really think someone would do that? Just go on the internet and be a llama?



gyroball posted:

whispering: Just so everyone knows, it is possible to have each of the other team members in that scene, you just have to try REALLY hard for it not to be Risa

wait, really? I haven't gotten risa once in either of the playthoughs I did lol

TheMcD
May 4, 2013

Monaca / Subject N 2024
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Despair will never let you down.
Malice will never disappoint you.

Yeah, you basically need to make all the correct choices towards each character to get them instead of Risa. It doesn't change much - there's some minor dialogue changes, but that's about it. Makes sense, too, given that you need to do things exactly right to get them.

CommissarMega
Nov 18, 2008

THUNDERDOME LOSER
Aw, I was hoping we'd get some extra moves or something if we ended up with, say, Ai.

TheGreatEvilKing
Mar 28, 2016





Zizek is the best.

TheMcD
May 4, 2013

Monaca / Subject N 2024
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Despair will never let you down.
Malice will never disappoint you.

CommissarMega posted:

Aw, I was hoping we'd get some extra moves or something if we ended up with, say, Ai.

If that was the case, I'd have gone that route. I have RPG Maker vision, after all.

TheMcD
May 4, 2013

Monaca / Subject N 2024
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Despair will never let you down.
Malice will never disappoint you.

Update VII - Ended Up Spending Almost Four Hours Singing Show Tunes.



Alright, so last time, we invaded a hentai game just to stop loving from happening, and now it's time to leave.

I do not see any reason why not. We have done a good thing here, my friends. We have begun to sow the seeds of dissent. Whether those seeds will blossom into the flower of revolution, or be ground to dust by the millstone of oppression will be up to the people of this world.
Just get on with the ontology.
Remember, my friends, "dasein".



This is quite troublesome.
Oh, you think so? You think it is "troublesome" that we might be trapped in a hentai adaptation of "A League of Their Own" for the rest of our lives?
I do not believe that I ever used the word "trapped"...nor the word "hentai". Once again, Moose, I believe you show that you know this genre too well.
Just try the magic again!



Something is quite wrong.



♪ BGM: Dugan

This isn't your world. You don't belong here.
Dugan?
What the gently caress do you want?
Did you really think it would be so easy? That you could just waltz into someone else's world, disrupt everything, and just walk away?
I am a philosopher. It is my job to disrupt people's world then walk away.
Philosopher? Heh. That's one way to put it. You said that you made my choices for me, what did you mean by that?



Like this but blue, and we'd choose what you would say or do. We were doing this so that you would hook up with one of the hot anime chicks. But totally not the pink haired girl, because I am not a sex offender.
That voice I heard in my head... The little whisper, nudging me towards one word and the next... That was you.
It was mostly Zizek and Moose. I think this whole thing is kinda weird, and I don't want anyone thinking that I'm "into" it.
Bobson! You're the one who insisted that we keep playing!
That was ghost Pedro Martinez, not me.
Shut up! All of you! You did this to me! You brought me to this moment. You didn't interfere when I lost my playing career. You didn't interfere when I took my first drink. You never went and fixed all the problems that led to this point, but just as soon as something started to go right --something you claim you gave me-- you swept in and took it away. Why? Why would you do that?
The system was flawed. The rules were wrong. We could not abide them. You have to realize, Mr. Dugan, that there is nothing inherently sinful about being privileged by the invisible structures of society. Nevertheless, when you are confronted with the truth of your privilege, you must--
Shut up! This was none of your business! This is not your world! But... If it is so important to you, perhaps the only fitting thing to do... Would be to keep you here.
What are you talking about?
Oh no...



I would remark that this is impossible, but that is a stupid word.
This is my world. You may have been able to make the choices for me from your own universe, but here I am the main character. I can nullify your magic, and keep you in this realm until the day you die.
Oh poo poo! Some day, I'm going to die! gently caress!
More importantly, if Dugan has his way, you're going to die here.
I'm still not sure where here is!
Well, I have a World Series to prepare for. I will leave it up to you to figure out where you go from here. I hope you like drinking and watching girls play baseball, because those are the only things to do around here.



No, I will not be trapped here. I will have to start my philosophical work all over again.
THAT is your biggest concern?
Yes.
Drinks...girls...baseball... This might be paradise.
We still have a World Series to win in the real world!
Oh poo poo! We gotta get out of here! Zizek, what do we do?
Let me think... I need to regroup myself. We should find someplace to stay the night. Do not worry, my friends, remember that time passes much slower in this world.
Okay, but you better come up with something.



♪ BGM: Silence ♫

It was bizarrely empty. Not just of people, but of objects, decorations, even rooms... Zizek tried to explain it, noting that the game was only coded to a certain number of locations, and as such we were limited as to where we could go and what we could see. The idea was terrifying to me. Suddenly a world of nothing but drinking, girls, and baseball didn't sound so appealing. If we were stuck here, we were stuck in the stadium. No, worse, we were struck in the parts of the stadium relevant to the game.



♪ BGM: Moose

No, it makes perfect sense. There has to be a bedroom.
And why is that, Moose?
For a sex scene, obviously. You haven't been paying any attention, have you?
I'm pretty sure they were just going to hook up in Dugan's office, the way things were going before we interfered.
Well, yeah... But typically there are multiple sex scenes. The first one is more sudden; it is the climax of the story. The other is slower, and more rewarding. It occurs after all the other conflict has resolved. It is the denouement.
You REALLY know a lot about this stuff, don't you?
I know a lot about a lot of stuff.
The boy is right. You seem to have a surprising expertise with all things related to Japanese eroge.
I don't want to talk about it.
Moose, we're stuck here. Anything you could tell us that would help us get home would be useful.
I spend a decent amount of time on the internet. That's all. I pick these things up.
Have you picked anything up that would help us out of this mess?
No. We're in a pretty obscure mess, after all.
I suppose there are not too many people who have been trapped in these sorts of games by magic.
Yes, Bobson, you suppose right.
Dugan is the problem. If we can get rid of him, we can go home. Right?
Your theory is sound, Bobson. He clearly is capable of some sort of magic which is counteracting my Ontology.
So, what do we do?
We make him stop! I have a game 7 to close out!
If I remember right, the Championship series starts tomorrow. That means Dugan will have to return to the field to manage.
We can confront him then.
We have time, right? Waiting until tomorrow won't--
You won't be late for your game, Moose. Spending a whole day in unreality will only take up a mere hour in reality.
Well this still sucks and we shouldn't have done it.
Let us just try and get some rest.



Does this mean that I will be well-rested in the real world? Because if I can get a full night's sleep in a mere hour with this Ontology of yours, I might just have to go back to community college to learn philosophy.
One does not merely LEARN Ontology.
Let's just head out to the field, find Dugan, and get all of this over with.
Agreed. We have spent far too many minutes of our lives worrying about a world that does not, technically, exist.



♪ BGM: The Virtual Game

Let's have a look around.
What's with the weird invisible barriers? Why can't we go further out into the field?
Remember what I said, young Bobson. The only parts of this world that exist are those that are rendered within the game. Currently, we are on the "screen" that represents the home dugout. We cannot move beyond what exists in this virtual construct.
loving weird.

Alright, let's go and talk to people.



Nope! I bet he'll get here soon! He's totally reliable! How about you hang out with me until he shows up? I know how to please--
NO!



Hi, Mitsuki.
H-how do you know my name?
You wouldn't believe it if I told you.
It's a pretty hosed up story.
Oh.
But I really want to thank you. You can't understand, but you helped me a lot.
But we've never met...
I know, but thanks to you I have the secondary pitch I need. I learned your change-up.
My change-up...?
That's right! I couldn't have done it without you, though I admit at the time I didn't really think of you as a person.
I... I have no response to that.
You did a good thing for me, Mitsuki, and that's why we're here. We're going to help you out.
Help me out?
Dugan... He's not the man you think he is. We need to defeat him. Do you know where we can find him?
No... I expected him to be here.
That's okay. We'll keep looking.



My name is Bobson, and who I am is a very difficult thing to explain.
What are you doing in the dugout? Are you scouts? Reporters?
Nothing like that. Where's Dugan?
Haven't seen him. Not since yesterday.
drat it!
He's probably off drinking somewhere. That's what he does.
We know.



Uh... Sure, you could say that.
Huh, I didn't know we had any negro fans.
WHAT?
Settle down, Bobson. This is 1943, so--
No it's not! This game was made in the 90s!
Maybe they were going for historical realism?
I highly doubt that!
It is just a word, Bobson.
So I shouldn't take it seriously?
No, you should take it more seriously than the deepest wound.
Um, excuse me... I thought we were having a conversation.
Yeah, we were until--
Miss Haruka, have you seen Jimmy Dugan around?
No, sorry... Haven't seen him. Weird, he's usually here before all of us.
Thanks.



That's uh... That's because we're from another universe.
Bobson!
It would be best if our status in this world remain a secret, though I suppose that is already out of the proverbial window.
I was just trying to be friendly...
What do you mean by "another universe"?
Nothing. My friend was just mouthing off.
No, no he wasn't. You're hiding something.
Never!
If you're from somewhere other than this stadium, I want to know about it. As far as I can tell, I can't leave the field, even though I know there's a world beyond the outfield walls.
That's horrible!
So you ARE from somewhere else?
Nice job, Bobson.
What was I supposed to do, lie to her?
So, why are you here?
We need to find your manager, Jimmy Dugan.
Why?
We can't go back home unless we find him.
Well, good luck. To be honest, he always gave me the creeps.



♪ BGM: Dugan

How did he do that?
W-what's going on?
Somehow, our presence here has allowed Dugan to use magic.
What? Why?
I don't know. Zizek?
I theorize that Applied Ontology may have some side effects that I was unable to predict.



We didn't have much choice!
What a shame... I hope you guys stick around for the championship game. You cost me the girl, but I will recover. I will win this game and prove myself. And then... Then I will have my revenge.
Oh, really? What are you going to do?
You really don't get it, do you? Ever since you made me realize that I am just a character in a game, I've been thinking... The only parts of this world that exist are the parts that were coded. And the game, as you call it, ends after the championship...doesn't it?
Wait... If the only places that exist are the game locations, to the point where we can't even walk out onto certain parts of the field... What does happen when the game is over?
When my story is over, the game ends. Everything inside the game ends... Even you.
Zizek, please tell me this isn't true? We won't cease to exist when the game ends, will we?
That is certainly a possibility.
Oh god this just keeps getting worse. This is like that time I accidentally went to that gay bar, and the guy hit on me, and suddenly I couldn't just leave. I didn't want him to think I was homophobic or anything, it was all just a weird honest mistake. Ended up spending almost four hours singing show tunes, and now I know the words to every song in Yentl and--
This is going to end up worse than the week you couldn't stop humming "Papa Can You Hear Me", Bobson. We're going to die, and being trapped inside a video game when it ends sounds like a pretty bad way to go.
At least it should be painless, right?
I am not so sure. We are in uncharted territory. Perhaps to die this way is entirely peaceful, but perhaps it is also an agony never known to men before. So it is really a crap shoot.
We won't let you do this, Dugan! This isn't right!
Oh, stop the whining, Mr. Bobson. There is no crying in baseball.
loving FINALLY!
What?
Ever since we started up this game, I have been waiting for that line.
Yeah, it really was kind of strange that we didn't hear it before now.
What are all of you talking about?
Heh, looks like he doesn't understand everything about this world.
QUIET!





Do not be too hard on him; he has long been the hero of his own story, he is only now adjusting to being the villain. He has not yet learned that the words hero and villain are merely concepts that we apply onto actions.
I don't care, I don't want to die here.
Neither do I, Bobson. We'll have to figure something out.
We are not too far from the championship game...
Let's go check out the locker room...



What are we even going to do if we find him? Doesn't he have some kind of magic powers in this world?
I have the feeling that you are asking me this question.
You are the one who put us in this predicament.
This is a completely unexpected result of Applied Ontology.
There are *expected* results?
I would say that it is a science, but the term "science" is deceptive in that it pre-supposes the existence of truth.
Would you *please* just make sense for once?
No.



Kami! What are you doing here?
You're looking for Dugan, aren't you?
Like I said, we need to find him so we can go home.
Yeah, and we have to figure out what to do about his magic.
I think I might have an answer for that. I think the reason that he can use magic is because he's the-hm-I guess you would call him the main character of this game. If this "Applied Ontology" I heard you talking about is capable of changing reality, maybe it has created a reality centered around him. A reality he can manipulate.
That sounds correct. Perhaps I have made a gross miscalculation. I believed that changing the rules of this world was a good thing. But I failed to consider that the act of changing the rules might create new, unintended rules.
It's like when baseball banned the spitball. The pitch was outlawed, in part, out of fear for the safety of the players. A dirty, scuffed up ball was harder to see and avoid if thrown at the head. But banning the spitball ended up removing the easiest kind of breaking ball for a pitcher to throw. Pitchers ended up throwing more curves and, later, sliders and split-finger deliveries that were harder on their arms. A rule enacted for the safety of the players may have led to considerably more arm injuries.
Yeah, it's exactly like that!
Were you listening to a word I said?
Nah, I was thinking about whether a tiger or a bear would win in a fight.
That's just dumb. A tiger, obviously.
Nah, I think it would be the bear.
How does any of this help us?
Well, if somewhere along the line we end up needing to choose between going into a room with a tiger in it or a bear in it--
That is not what I meant! We know that Dugan can use magic, and it is likely because I made his world reality with Applied Ongology. But how do we stop him?
Dugan is a drunk.
Yeah, we know. We played the game.
We also saw the movie, and I am pretty sure Tom Hanks never used magic. I mean, I did sleep through the middle but that would have been a hell of a left loving turn.
It was part of the story that Dugan would sober up. One of the girls poured out all of his liquor yesterday, and he was going to get all mad about it... But he would get over it and break his addiction because of the power of love or some poo poo.
Wait- What did you just say?
I think she said "poo poo".
You're drat right I did. I've spent my whole life acting like this game says I should act, and I never understood why. Now I know, and I'm not going to put up with any more of it. To start, I put a bottle of whiskey on his desk.
You did WHAT?
I kicked him off the wagon. After he confronted you, he came in here and found it. God knows where he is right now... ...but give him a bit of time while he gets wasted before the championship game. I bet his magic won't be so strong.
Holy poo poo! Thanks, Kami!
I didn't do it for you. I did it because I wanted to see him fail. He's spent this whole game ruling over us, controlling us, using us... I wanted him to know he'll never be the strongest thing in the world. The liquor will always be able to reduce him to a red-faced, sweating, mumbling incoherent mess. I wanted to see it break him.
...
...
Remind me never to piss you off.
That's probably a good idea.
So, where would he go to drink?
There aren't many options...
He is probably in the bedroom. It is likely that he was drawn there, as that is where he would be right now if the story had progressed as intended. His second love scene with his romantic interest would take place right before the climactic game, perhaps even intercut so their climaxes would--
I think I just threw up in my mouth a little.
What are we waiting for? Let's get going!

Hey, guess what? This update is over now because I really hosed up gauging the length of what I'm working on and broke the loving character limit again. So next time, we'll confront Dugan! When is next time? Immediately!

TheMcD
May 4, 2013

Monaca / Subject N 2024
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Despair will never let you down.
Malice will never disappoint you.

Update VIII - I'll Do Worse Than Just Hit Him! I'll Use Math!



Now, it's time to confront Dugan.

We just want to go home. Let Zizek take us out of here and we'll leave you alone.
You really don't get it, do you? It's too late for that. You've gone and messed everything up. Look at me... *hic* I was supposed to redeem myself. This was supposed to end with me becoming a better person. Then you decided that you knew better...
I'm sorry, but you're using magic to try and kill us by trapping us in the end of a video game, so you're not very sympathetic right now.
I don't care! Don't you see? Nothing matters anymore.
Stop it! Do you realize what you're saying? That the only meaning in your life was the control that you could exert over us? Do you even realize how hosed up that is?
Heh, darling, you shouldn't talk like that.
DON'T CALL ME DARLING!
I'll... I'll do whatever I want to do. Have you forgotten? This is my story.
Begone!



What's going on? My magic... What did you do?
It's what you did to yourself, Dugan.
So this is how it goes. I should have expected as much. For all of your lofty ideals, you are no better than me. You speak of high ideals, but you still result to the lowest of tactics. No matter... I know what you have done.
It didn't have to be this way, Dugan. You might hate us for changing your story, but we were the ones who started it in the first place. Up until yesterday, we were right along with you. We wanted you to succeed. Just... Not like this.
It's not my fault!
This is the only world I know. I was created for this world, for the purpose of fulfilling the desires of the people who play this game. People like you. Now you deny me of the very thing I was created to accomplish, and you tell me that I am evil because I resist.
NO! This is my world, and I can fix this! I WILL DESTROY YOU!
This is bad, Bobson. It looks like we're going to have to fight him.
Yeah, I don't think there's any getting around that...
Only one of us can face him...



While having a pitching duel seems appropriate, philosophizing at people as combat is better.

Zizek. I choose Zizek.
Do not worry. I will be super effective.
Fascinating... You do not even play baseball, do you?
What need do I have of games, when I can dismantle you with critique?
Go ahead, then! Do your worst!



Alright, here we are. Let's start out with some Marxist critique.

Zizek applies a Marxist critique!

How did you grow up, Mr. Dugan?
What do you mean?
Were you poor or rich?
Poor, I suppose.
Then how can you be so blind to the oppression which you are part of?



Well, the manager can't be it - the manager usually gets paid a fairly low amount compared to star players. So it'll have to be the player character.

As the player character, you are the bourgeois. You actually do not have any personality of your own. This is an implicit requirement of a player character within a video game. The player must be able to see himself within his avatar. But this means that the supporting characters must provide all of the actual characterization within the storyline. As such, the player character robs the lower class of its labor value.
Y-you're right...

Let's give it some more Marxism.

Zizek applies a Marxist critique!

I fight you, but destroying you will do no good in the long run. In this world, you alone are the dominant class, and as the dominant class is deposed, a new one will rise to take its place.



Well, that doesn't mean we should just stop!

This is only more reason for me to continue! In reality, history has no end... It only continues to evolve, and progress. My interference in this world, ruled by you, can only be seen as an advancement of those who must be advanced. So despite the fact that I may create a ruling class of similar darkness, I will force myself forward through the fog of doubt!

Now, let's try some Kantian to mix things up.

Zizek applies a Kantian critique!

Have you ever considered whether you are real, Mr. Dugan?
What do you mean?
Assuming that we never have direct experience of things, is it perhaps possible that you are simply your own dream?



I'll admit, I just guessed on this one.

Rather than exist as an independent object, you are nothing but a subject. You are merely the filter by which this virtual construct experiences itself and nothing more.
Oh god...

And that'll do it.



♪ BGM: Silence ♫

No, I am exactly as smart as I look. You merely have deficient vision.
What does... What does that even mean?
Don't ask me. I still haven't figured him out.
It doesn't matter. I'm still in control here.
Are you kidding? We just ate your lunch for breakfast.
I'm not even going to dignify that with a response.
You just did! That was a response!
I'm still the main character here! Fighting you didn't do anything but help me sober up.





If you're going to give me the option...

gently caress that. This is ridiculous. I'm not--
Wait!

♪ BGM: Kaminari

This isn't your fight! Those three may have helped wake me up, but they shouldn't have the satisfaction of defeating you.
Kami, what are you doing?
Something I would have done a long time ago if not for this god damned video game we're all stuck in.



You just hit me! We're supposed to be friends!
That's the thing, isn't it? Everything that is "supposed" to be is set up to help you get what you want. I was just a tool for you to use along the way. But now that I realize what was going on, I'm going to make sure that you can't hurt these people.
Kami, are you sure about this?
Two of us have not even fought him yet. You do not need to risk yourself.
But I do! You came here to free me from this virtual construct of patriarchy. But I can't really be free if I depend on three men to free me. I have to be the instrument of my own emancipation.
I had not thought of it like that, but you are quite correct. To insist upon saving you would only further place the yoke of oppression around your neck.

Zizek has learned a new form of critique! Zizek has learned [Feminist Critique]!

She's right and all, but how is she going to defeat Dugan? He has magic, remember?
Well, I just need my own form of magic, don't I?
Well, girl, you better learn fast. Because it's almost game time.
Don't call me "girl"!
I don't have time for this. If you think you can defeat me, you have until the end of the championship game. Then this all disappears...your friends right along with it.



♪ BGM: How Things Are

I have to break free of this lovely world. I have to learn magic.
Creating magic in this world should not be difficult for the characters within. Any concept which is unfamiliar within the time period or virtual construct... will appear to be magic. For example, if we were to introduce the concept of nuclear power, it would manifest as a form of magic. Unfortunately, we do not have any nuclear materials, nor the scientific ability to make use of them.
Yeah, but we don't need those things... The year is 1943. All sorts of concepts would be alien to this world. Mass media, globalization, civil rights...
Yeah, but we don't have any experts on any of those things. And Kami wants to do this on her own, anyway.
Baseball!
Baseball?
Bill James hasn't even been born. Earl Weaver is 13 years old. No one today knows how to evaluate baseball players. It's all about batting average, counting stats, and the eye test.
Yeah, sabermetrics hasn't even been invented yet! Building a team around advanced stats would see like magic!
Kami has already shown she's smart... We just have to push her in the right direction.
What are you guys talking about?
All right, Kami, I want you to think about something. What is the value of a walk?
A...walk?
Think about this: When a batter gets a hit, part of that is just the fielders failing to get to the ball. But when a batter takes a walk, that is an absolute reflection of their ability to recognize balls and strikes. Am I right?
...huh. And, I guess, outs are a finite resource in baseball. Three outs ends an inning, twenty-seven ends the game. The most valuable thing a batter can do is to prevent herself from making an out. I'm starting to understand!
This is it! She is learning how to use magic!



Kami became a Sabermagician!

Flashy.

This is amazing! I understand so much more about baseball now!
Just watch out for old school sportswriters. A woman who knows the importance of OBP might literally kill them.

Kami joined the party!

Now I can't wait for another shot at Dugan! I'll do worse than just hit him! I'll use math!
Let's go. We don't have much time.

Alright, before we continue...

TheMcD's Baseball Stuff posted:



Bill James is a baseball historian and statistician who has been very influential on the game. It was James who first coined the term Sabermetrics to describe empirical analysis of baseball - the name "sabermetrics" is a reference to the Society for American Baseball Research (SABR) for short. There's quite a few statistics used these days that are attributed to James, for example:

- Pythagorean Winning Percentage: This describes an "expected" winning percentage for teams based on the runs they've scored and allowed so far across the season. It's calculated as follows, with RS being runs scored and RA being runs allowed: (RS^2) / (RS^2 + RA^2). So for example, let's take the current 2019 San Francisco Giants, whose current record is 24-34. That's pretty bad, but should they be this bad? Let's calculate. They have scored 224 runs so far and allowed 300. So, RS^2 is 50176 and RA^2 is 90000. 50176 / (50176 + 90000) = 0.35795. Then we multiply that with the number of games they've played so far. 58 * 0.35795 = 20.76. So they're expected to have won only 21 games at this point, meaning that for as lovely the Giants have been, they've actually been lucky and won more games than they should. Great.
- Game Score: This attempts to give a number that describes how well a starting pitcher pitches. You start with 50 points, add one for every out recorded, two for every inning completed after the fourth, one for each strikeout. Then, subtract two for each hit given up, four for each earned run allowed, two for each unearned run allowed, and one for each walk given up. So for instance, the best Game Score yet is when Kerry Wood pitched a game for the Chicago Cubs in which he pitched all nine innings, gave up one hit, no walks, and struck out 20, adding up to 105 points.
- Similarity Score: This is a method to find players that most compare to one specific player. Basically, it takes the career stats for a player, puts them into a big formula and out comes a score. It's way too complex to explain in this space, though.

Sabermetrics have made their way into baseball front offices and managing minds more and more, and the way player value is evaluated has changed drastically as a result.



Earl Weaver was a long-time manager of the Baltimore Orioles and quite an innovator when it comes to managing. He was one that meticulously kept track of matchups, so when he finds out that his shortstop who can't hit somehow actually can hit against a specific ace pitcher, he would move that shortstop up the batting order against that particular pitcher. Weaver also formulated ten laws he abided by in the book Weaver On Strategy, which is still an excellent read:

1. No one’s going to give a drat in July if you lost a game in March.
2. If you don’t make any promises to your players, you won’t have to break them.
3. The easiest way around the bases is with one swing of the bat.
4. Your most precious possessions on offense are your 27 outs.
5. If you play for one run, that’s all you’ll get.
6. Don’t play for one run unless you know that run will win a ballgame.
7. It’s easier to find four good starters than five.
8. The best place for a rookie pitcher is long relief.
9. The key step for an infielder is the first one - left or right - but before the ball is hit.
10. The job of arguing with the umpires belongs to the manager, because it won’t hurt the team if he gets kicked out of the game.

You'll note that we've just earlier gone over Weaver's rule number four - that the 27 outs a team gets are the most important thing. His practice of starting rookie pitchers in long relief meant that they wouldn't be subjected to high-pressure situations or high workloads early in their career, which helped in keeping them from getting arm injuries.

Weaver, in keeping with rule number ten, was also quite adept at arguing with umpires. And finally, I couldn't write something about Earl Weaver without linking this magical little piece.

Now, on with the show.



♪ BGM: The Virtual Game

The whole field is empty. Isn't the game only a few minutes away?
Yeah, something's not right.



♪ BGM: Dugan

What's he doing all by himself?
I do not like where this is going.
I knew you would come. I knew it wouldn't take you long to figure out that you couldn't use magic.
But-
Shh... Lets try to keep the element of surprise.
This isn't your story, Kaminari. This isn't your game. You cannot control it like I can.



Your approximation of recent events is likely correct, Bobson.
You have no idea what you are dealing with! This is my world, and I can do as I like!
You're wrong, Dugan. If you controlled this world, then these visitors would have never been able to enter it and change the sequence of events.
Shut up! Who are you? You were merely created to serve me! Don't you understand, you are nothing!
No, Dugan... Pitcher wins are nothing!



♪ BGM: Kaminari

That surprised you, didn't it? You know what else is going to surprise you? All those times you made me bunt, you were significantly hurting our chances of winning!



It's magic, Dugan. Sabermagics.
Sabermagics?!?!
That's right, Dugan. All along, you were wrong about everything. You aren't the only one in this world who can learn magic. This is not your story alone. Most importantly, RBI are a worthless stat!



TheMcD's Baseball Stuff posted:

I don't think I've explained Runs Batted In (RBI) yet. They're really simple - if your actions as a batter result in a run scoring, you are credited with a RBI (except if you grounded into a double play - a double play being when two outs are made in a single at bat's defensive actions - or reached base on an error). So theoretically, a perfect batter who always, say, hits a double, could still end up with 0 RBI if nobody gets on base in front of him. This is the crux of why RBI are a super poo poo stat.

Just for that... I will destroy you!
All right, Kami, are you ready for this?
More than ready. Come at me, Dugan!



Alright, time for another combat tutorial, as it were, because Kami's combat works differently again. Well, in a way, it's kinda like Zizek's.



We have the choice between these two spells.

TheMcD's Baseball Stuff posted:

These two spells are plays on words based on two sabermetric ideas.

- Win Expectancy is essentially calculating how likely it is a team will win at any given moment in a baseball game, and therefore every possible action in a game has a different effect on win expectancy - striking out with nobody on base and no outs in a game you're leading 3-0 is less hurtful than striking out with the bases loaded (meaning there's runners on first, second and third) and two outs in a game you're trailing 1-2.

- A Replacement Player is a basic idea - if I, as a manager, were to just go down to my highest level minor league team and say "give me a guy I can use right now", the guy I get is a replacement player. This idea is used to then go into stats like Wins Above Replacement (WAR), which attempt to assign value to a player based on this baseline. There's a ton of work that goes into WAR calculation and different sites have different formulas, so we're not going into that. But for instance, we can take Mike Trout's 2018 season and calculate a WAR of 10.2 for him, meaning that that season, if instead of using Mike Trout, the Los Angeles Angels would've just grabbed some shithead from the minors to play in center field, they would've been expected to win 10.2 less games than they did. And yes, one player having that much effect on a team's winning is reserved only for superstars like Trout. A basic guideline is that 8 or more WAR is an MVP-level season, 5 or more WAR is an all-star level season, 2 or more WAR is a starting player-level season, 0 or more WAR is a substitution player-level season, and negative WAR is a replacement player level season.

Now, Replacement Prayer isn't all that fun for me, but let's look at it, because it gives another point of view on the idea of "replacement player".

Kami calculates a replacement prayer!

De profundis clamavi ad te, Domine: Domine, exaudi vocem meam: Fiant aures tuae intendentes, in vocem deprecationis meae.
W-what are you doing?
Domine Iesu, dimitte nobis debita nostra, salva nos ab igne inferiori, perduc in caelum omnes animas, praesertim eas, quae misericordiae tuae maxime indigent.
You're freaking me out! What are you talking about?
Oh, just some random Latin prayers. I don't even know what they mean.
Then why are you saying them?
They're Replacement Prayers, just random prayers that might be poor fits for the situation but they were what I could come up with. You see in any given system, there are resources that are readily available. They're bad resources, but they are there... and you should never expend money or time to acquire anything on their level.
Where are you going with this?
I'm not putting any effort into picking out a prayer, because I know it won't help me in this situation. Just like in baseball, there are [replacement level] players. They can be found in any minor league system, or on the cheap in the FA market, or in the case of our league...in the dance halls.
What are you saying?
You should use a baseline to evaluate players, which is the approximate value of these freely available players!
But that means I have to use math!
Wait, why are you lecturing me on this? You're a girl; you can't do math.
Are you kidding me? poo poo, seriously?
It's just science.
THAT'S NOT SCIENCE! I'll show you who can't do math! 2(x + 3) - x = 2x + 8; Solve for X!
What? No! I'm a baseball manager, I can't do that.



Then I spend like a minute figuring out that the correct answer is -2, and after that, we win the battle. But let's look at Win Hexpectancy instead before that.

Kami calculates a win hexpectancy!

Hail to the guardians of the North, mighty earth which feeds us, our home and mother!
What are you doing?
Hail to the guardians of the East, blessed air that soothes us, the breath of life in all existence.
Oh god, this is some sort of witchcraft.
Hail to the guardians of the South, sacred fire that sparks life in all, our protector and progenitor.
No, I won't let you freak me out.
Hail to the guardians of the West, Waters of life, where all are purified and reborn.
WHAT ARE YOU DOING?
Blessed Baseba'al, I am but a spoke in the great wheel, but I call upon your power to determine whether I will win this fight.

I can see it, Dugan... The numbers are in my favor.
What are you talking about?
There are no outs. Top of the ninth. The game is tied and I have a runner on third base. All he has to do is make it to the plate.
Call for the bunt, right?

And here, we are given a choice to agree or disagree. This is what Win Hexpectancy is about - you are given a baseball situation and have to work out the right move for the situation. In this case, bunting is bad.

No! Of course not! A suicide squeeze could just as easily get the runner thrown out at home, and if the batter swings away they might get a sac fly. Besides, it's only the top of the ninth and we want to score as many runs as possible!

And that wins us the battle as well.



What did you do?



♪ BGM: The Virtual Game

Way to go, Kami! You did it!
This magic thing is pretty awesome. Does this mean that you guys can go home now?
It does appear that I can use my ontology again, if we are ready to leave this world.
That's the plan.
Finally! We need to get back to the real world and get ready for Game Seven.
You bastards! Don't run away! You have taken everything from me!
This may be a problem, Bobson.
What do you mean?
We have basically violated the Prime Directive.
I have no idea what that means.
You seriously never watched Star Trek?
Nerd.
What?
His assessment is correct, Moose. You have demonstrated that you are what people refer to as a "nerd".
You're a god drat philosopher!
Perhaps.
In Star Trek, the most important rule of the Federation is to avoid interfering the development of primitive societies.
Nerd.
We've dramatically changed this world, and we've broken all of its internal rules. Now we're responsible for it.
NERD.
Ugh... We can't just leave Dugan here, like he is, to try and control these girls again once we're gone. Zizek, is there a way to use your ontology to remove him from the game?
Well, it is certainly possible to delete aspects of the unreal world with ontology. But is that the sort of people we want to be?
No, no it's not!
Kami, what do you think? Should we leave Dugan here in this world with you?
I don't know what you're talking about. I'm planning on coming with you guys.
WHAT?
The world that created this game seems like a hosed up place, and I'm going to help clean it up. I'm going to smash the patriarchy!
That seems like a prudent idea. Kami will come with us.
Okay, but what do we do about Dugan?
I think that is up to Bobson to decide.
What? Why me?
You are the main character.
Awww, man, I never asked for this.
Did you ever ask to be born? I know that I did not ask to be born, and I would most certainly be happier if I had not been.
Yikes. Fine, I'll choose... But I should ask the girls what they think we should do. They are the ones who will have to live with him.
You mean that you should ask the *women* here what they think.
I like her already.
Approach Dugan when you have made your decision. I will keep him paralyzed until you are ready.

Alright, what does everybody think?

I don't want him around here when you're gone. Get rid of him.

I'm not happy with how Dugan treated us, but I'm not sure you should kill him.

You don't have to delete Dugan! We can keep him in line! You showed us what we need to do, Kami!

Don't leave him here. We'll fight him but... I'm afraid of what will happen.

So that's two for deleting, one for not deleting, one ambivalent. Let's ask our party members.

I think you should have Zizek delete him. He's not real, and this world would be better off without him.

This decision, I cannot help you with. In this, I am but a tool, a gun to be fired if you so desire. Then again, aren't we all tools?
Heh, yeah Zizek, sometimes you are a tool.

That's one for, and one... Zizek.



I have faith that the other women on the team can keep him under control... or get rid of him if they have to. But if you think he needs to be deleted, I'll go along with it. You and your friends know more about how this works...at least for now.
Don't do it! I can change!
No, I do not think that you can. Unlike the women of this team, who have been created with personalities that can develop... you are nothing but a cipher. You an empty vessel by which the user of the game expresses his selfish desires. You can never change, because you are nothing to begin with. You merely seek the goals you have been given. If we do allow you to live, you will continue to embody this insatiable desire--for booze, for flesh, for revenge--until you die.
I thought you didn't want to kill him, Zizek.
I do not. I find him fascinating, and I am curious what happens when a cipher is free of the chains that define him. But as I said, this is your choice.



Well, I think if we sum it all together, that's a win for killing him. So that's what we're doing!

Sorry, Dugan, but I can't let you terrorize these women after we leave. There's no way to know you won't get your magic back, and who knows what you would do with it.
You're making the right choice, Bobson.
Then it is decided. I will do it. This is unfortunate, but your decision makes a certain element of sense.
No! Don't!
Do it, Zizek!



We've freed this world.
Was it really yours to free?
Ugh, I don't want to think about it. Let's just go home.
Okay. Let's get out of here.
Ms. Kami, are you sure you want to come with us? You may never be able to return to this world, at least as you know it.
gently caress this world.
That is the correct response! Though gently caress our world as well. It is admittedly not that much better.
Well I plan on changing that.
You should not plan on changing anything because you cannot change anything, but I admire your tenacity nonetheless... and that is quite a compliment coming from me because there are very few things that I admire that are not dead.
All right, time to go home!
Risa, Ai, Mitsu, Haruka... Good luck.
Dasein!



This is our universe, Kami. What do you think?
Is it just this room? Because this is awful small. And it smells like cooked cabbage.
There is a good reason for that.
No! Our world is massive. This is just one room in one apartment building in one city in one country and--
I think she gets the point.
So, what is the first thing that you will do now that you are in our world?
I can't even imagine what her path to citizenship looks like... this might get weird.
For now, I'll stick around with you guys. At least I want to see how the World Series turns out.
Then we should be on our way!

And there we are. I bet you didn't expect that we would be playing a hentai game based on A League Of Their Own. Or that we would literally enter it to cockblock the main character. Or that we would be blocked from leaving by the main character, who had suddenly become able to cast magic. Or that we would convert one of the female characters to a sabermagician and fight the main character with her. Or that that female character would then decide "gently caress this world, I'm going with you" and now finds herself in the real world.

I told you poo poo would kinda get nuts.

TheMcD fucked around with this message at 22:36 on Jun 3, 2019

Seraphic Neoman
Jul 19, 2011


Goddamn I don't know which is the best part, Zizek learning feminist critique, the flashy magic RTP or Moose displaying his knowledge of eroge story progression. :allears:

This update is wild.

curiousCat
Sep 23, 2012

Does this look like the face of mercy, kupo?
what the gently caress, I love this

ultrafilter
Aug 23, 2007

It's okay if you have any questions.


Sure, why not?

Cooked Auto
Aug 4, 2007

That thing certainly went in a lot of directions.

Bellmaker
Oct 18, 2008

Chapter DOOF



Can we all take a moment to appreciate ~sabermagics~ :allears:

Hwurmp
May 20, 2005

This is the real Barkley Shut Up and Jam Gaiden 2

Double May Care
Mar 28, 2012

We need Dragon-type Pokemon to help us prepare our food before we cook it. We're not sure why!

This is incredible. I can't imagine what the other chapters will bring.

TheGreatEvilKing
Mar 28, 2016





This is amazing. I can't name a best part.

iospace
Jan 19, 2038


Fun facts, a few SABRmetrics have made their way to everyday usage.

  • The aforementioned WAR. There's two ways of calculating it, one formula from Baseball Reference, and another from Fangraphs, denoted bWAR and fWAR respectively.
  • On-Base Plus Slugging, or OPS. Average has some flaws in terms of showing how good a batter is, namely it ignores walks and doesn't account for the type of hit. On-base percentage, or OBS, includes walks in its total (both consider an error or fielder's choice to be an out for the batter, since an error assumes the batter would be out anyway, and a fielder's choice means the fielder could get the batter out but decided to get someone else out instead). Slugging percentage divides the total bases (or how many bases a runner safely reached on a given hit) by at bats, which also ignores walks. By combining OBS and Slugging, you get a good feel for how good a batter is, by combining how good a batter is with getting on base, with how good are they at hitting for power. The best hitters hitting around 1.000 or higher on the season.
  • Walks-Hits per Innings Pitched, or WHIP. A pitching stat, basically shows how many base runners a pitcher allows on average per inning.

OPS is probably the most popular, then followed by WHIP. The MVP tends to be the OPS leader.

It shouldn't surprise you that the league leader in all time OPS is Babe Ruth, followed by Ted Williams. Mike Trout is 9th all time at the moment, a hair below 1.000

iospace fucked around with this message at 00:24 on Jun 4, 2019

G-Mawwwwwww
Jan 31, 2003

My LPth are Hot Garbage
Biscuit Hider
This is nuts. How far would you say we're into the game?

fucking love Fiona Apple
Jun 19, 2013

samus comfy so what

Kami is the true hero of the story. What a character.

As a die-hard baseball fan this LP is like crack to me. I'm loving every minute of it.

rujasu
Dec 19, 2013

SSNeoman posted:

Goddamn I don't know which is the best part, Zizek learning feminist critique, the flashy magic RTP or Moose displaying his knowledge of eroge story progression. :allears:

This update is wild.

I liked the part where Not Tom Hanks looked like he was going to turn into an eldritch monster and this was immediately followed by a brief explanation of why RBI are a bad statistic.

EponymousMrYar
Jan 4, 2015

The enemy of my enemy is my enemy.

TheGreatEvilKing posted:

This is amazing. I can't name a best part.

The fourth member of the party in this game is a girl who literally comes from an Eroge based off of A League of their Own and uses Baseball Math to cast magic.

That's my favorite part of this most recent sequence of events.

Jen X
Sep 29, 2014

To bring light to the darkness, whether that darkness be ignorance, injustice, apathy, or stagnation.
gyroball holy poo poo

Fedule
Mar 27, 2010


No one left uncured.
I got you.
I'm in awe.

TheGreatEvilKing
Mar 28, 2016





EponymousMrYar posted:

The fourth member of the party in this game is a girl who literally comes from an Eroge based off of A League of their Own and uses Baseball Math to cast magic.

That's my favorite part of this most recent sequence of events.

You forgot she teaches Zizek Feminism.

Deadmans Tea Party
Jan 9, 2019

TheMcD posted:

Blessed Baseba'al, I am but a spoke in the great wheel, but I call upon your power to determine whether I will win this fight.

I am in awe of this pun.

I will admit, I thought you would get another pitch after escaping the game.

Erainor
Dec 30, 2017

THUNDERDOME LOSER
I can't even imagine what her path to citizenship looks like... this might get weird.

Understatement! This is great!

Turtlicious
Sep 17, 2012

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS
Amazing.

wedgekree
Feb 20, 2013
I am definitely following! Uhm, where can this game be bought on Steam?

Quackles
Aug 11, 2018

Pixels of Light.


TheMcD posted:

As the player character, you are the bourgeois. You actually do not have any personality of your own. This is an implicit requirement of a player character within a video game. The player must be able to see himself within his avatar. But this means that the supporting characters must provide all of the actual characterization within the storyline. As such, the player character robs the lower class of its labor value.

I kinda wanna see "Slavoj Zizek Plays Undertale" now.

TheFlyingLlama
Jan 2, 2013

You really think someone would do that? Just go on the internet and be a llama?



wedgekree posted:

I am definitely following! Uhm, where can this game be bought on Steam?

https://redbirdmenace.itch.io/the-closer


not on steam, but can be downloaded for free off of itch.io

TheFlyingLlama
Jan 2, 2013

You really think someone would do that? Just go on the internet and be a llama?



and I'm gonna post that as many times as I need to in this thread, it's a good game and gyroball deserves more downloads/players

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frankenfreak
Feb 16, 2007

I SCORED 85% ON A QUIZ ABOUT MONDAY NIGHT RAW AND ALL I GOT WAS THIS LOUSY TEXT

#bastionboogerbrigade

Deadmans Tea Party posted:

I am in awe of this pun.
It's great.

All of this is great. The only thing I could criticize is the lack of Lacan used by Zizek, but I just spotted that he has a poster of him on his wall, so maybe that's forthcoming.

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