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He resigned from representing Weinstein a month ago. Which was curiously left out. Also, it is deeply amusing that in a thread about how everyone should get a defense, the final line of the OP is about how no one should actually, like, do that.
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Ogmius815 posted:The answer to the original thread title is a resounding “no,” by the way. yeah, its not like the rich can be held accountable for their choices
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"Everyone is equal as long as I get paid"
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Jun 11, 2019 21:11
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Nevvy Z posted:Everyone who compared being rich to being gay is the worst No you see rich people are an oppressed minority much like the gays. they are truly comparable when talking about legal representation. their status is entirely equivalent in this discussion. i am very smart
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Jun 12, 2019 02:30
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Owlofcreamcheese posted:Because minorities are the exact people that will shoulder the negative effects of every single poorly thought out "THIS WILL FUCKCK THE RICH!!!" vengeance fantasy thing people keep making up on how to change court systems. Marginalized groups are the exact people that are harmed if you take away legal protections. If you have a plan on how you'd change the legal system to take away rights because it'd make rich people lose a case that is cool, but it's not gonna stick to just hurting the people you wanted and marginalized groups are going to be the primary recipients of it. What right is being taken away from the rich
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Jun 12, 2019 03:33
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Owlofcreamcheese posted:None, because no one is implementing any of the extremely bad ideas people in this thread have had on trials should work. But the reason people keep bringing up minorities is that suggestions on how to make trials worse would disproportionately harm the people that already are least well served. In what way does removing private funding and publicly funding defense lawyers harm minorities
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Jun 12, 2019 03:45
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Imagine a system where a defendant's guilt was predetermined by arbitrary community judgements like say, the market value of their labor or their melanin content. Such a system sound truly broken
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Jun 12, 2019 17:57
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Hmm yes, maybe inequality is good. Persuasive argument, well thought out
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Jun 12, 2019 20:47
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Literally no one is arguing that rich people getting public defenders is bad why are you fuckwits demolishing that poor man of straw DOCTOR ZIMBARDO posted:indigent defendants often actually have access to some of the best legal representation available - just not enough of it. So close! He's so close!
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Jun 13, 2019 02:44
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You...you..have the PD's office be able to do it. Like, is it really that hard for you guys to imagine a fully funded and capable public defender that you have to believe in a private law firm backing them up
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Dead Reckoning posted:To catch you up, the response is "Aha, but the poor are given the choice of an assigned defender or nothing, so why should the rich be allowed to pay for their choice of lawyer? If being assigned a PD is not a violation of the right to choose your own counsel, why can we not force the wealthy to make the same choice?" making moral judgements doesnt negate the right to a public defender you stupid bastard 200 new posts because you dense fucks cant separate morality and right to counsel
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Jun 14, 2019 03:00
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DOCTOR ZIMBARDO posted:you keep saying that if you treat defense attorneys like christians treat abortionists that it will somehow dismantle patriarchy. i have too much respect for the human species to think that any member of it could be that stupid, so the only explanation is you're a fascist arguing in bad faith to try to rehabilitate the systematically racist and unjust criminal justice system by finding some way to blame its shortcomings on defense attorneys solving racism via profit motive: a real thought you are having
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Jun 14, 2019 03:15
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Hieronymous Alloy posted:That's handwaving though. Nationalizing the private bar isn't going to happen so it's an irrelevancy for discussions of actual current attorneys in the current real world representing real clients now. Why do you think rich people shouldnt get lawyers??
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Jun 14, 2019 04:01
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Hieronymous Alloy posted:zuh?I can't figure out how many levels of irony I'm supposed to read that with. Just the usual. Yours is a good post. Others, not so much
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If the stats show private counsel is statistically worse than a PD, shouldn't we be trying to get everyone a PD
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