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Bifner McDoogle posted:The creator did eventually confirm that Mr. Simmons is a gay character, the guy he's with in the Thanksgiving episode was his partner. It was pretty much impossible to have an recognizably LGBT+ character on cable in the 90's, so it was unconfirmed until pretty recently. As obvious as it was even then, admitting it would get the show instantly cancelled at the time. unconfirmed bachelor
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I forget, were there any other child actors on the show besides Helga that kept playing their characters the whole way through? Conversely, was there ever a case where one of the reoccurring adult VAs had to be replaced?
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Open Source Idiom posted:Hell yeah, Royal Crackers rules. I love that the second season is just clearly off doing its own thing half the time now, almost always completely unrelated to the ostensibly premise of the show. CIA shenanigans in the Middle East? Sure! 80's slasher? Why the gently caress not!? It's become a stronger show for it, IMO. Everything's forced to become more character driven. I like how they just use the cracker money to do stuff as well and don't focus completely on it, unless its funny towards the story. Reminds me of how American Dad pivoted from the conservative/liberal dynamic in the early seasons to just anything happening. I think the writers are American Dad fans too because they did the escalator joke, which I still find funny. Should become a standard joke in comedy. I kind of thought the cannibal woman that the dad slept with in the flashback episode was supposed to be their mom. Thats why there's no pictures of her anywhere or mention of her anywhere outside of that episode.
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gurragadon posted:I like how they just use the cracker money to do stuff as well and don't focus completely on it, unless its funny towards the story. Reminds me of how American Dad pivoted from the conservative/liberal dynamic in the early seasons to just anything happening. I think the writers are American Dad fans too because they did the escalator joke, which I still find funny. Should become a standard joke in comedy. I too feel like it has a lot of what makes American Dad great for just being able to do anything and keep trucking. I felt very meh on Season 1 but Season 2 shows the potential while showing they know how to start using it. I hope it gets 10+ seasons I really want to see what weird places they can take it now.
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I AM GRANDO posted:My immediate response is that the neighborhood in Hey Arnold is way too diverse to be in Seattle, but maybe I don’t know enough about it for that to be a fair take. Having attended Seattle public schools, the diversity actually feels pretty accurate but there should definitely be more Chinese characters (it appears Phoebe is likely Japanese). The street/neighborhood aesthetics are definitely more New York/Chicago which is probably where a lot of the confusion comes from (I also didn't know it was based on Seattle until very recently)
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doomrider7 posted:Helga's dad was a sketchy owner of a beeper company not a fireman. And yeah, Hey Arnold really set a gold standard for being REAL about it's depiction of inner city kids. lol. i remember the bobs beepers or some poo poo. I also feel like he probably didnt evolve with the times but didnt lose everything because of medical folks using them still.
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I guess it's also relevant to consider cartoons where white characters aren't the lead or even the majority, which is sort of one of those areas where my knowledge is a bit deficient. There have been a number of American cartoons with primarily black or asian characters ever since at least the 70s, but I don't think the old ones were rerun much when I was a kid, and I didn't really watch many of the ones contemporary to my time. Of course some wikipedia categories help, but there's a lot I don't know enough to verify everything. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:1970s_American_black_cartoons https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:1980s_American_black_cartoons https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:1990s_American_black_cartoons https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:2000s_American_black_cartoons So from that, you see a few of black cartoons in the 70s, a few less in the 80s, and a few more in the 90s (although the cartoons of the 90s have a lot of different qualifiers; there's one that just has the one lead character as black, a few that are more adult-targeted, and then Little Bill is a show targeted to the newer demographic of extra little kids). Almost all the shows look like pretty short runs except for Fat Albert. But then when you hit the aughts, there's a jump up in black cartoons, and you get shows with longer runs and also shows that I've actually seen a fair amount of. There's some kind of broader question you can ask about how much the kind of approach counts to overall representation and diversity in cartoons, where you kind of get a "segregation" effect in cartoons, but I'm sure it's true to some people's lives where they're either in a mainly white area or a mainly black area. For asian american cartoons, there's less of them, and Wikipedia seems a little less helpful, but then I've actually seen more of the cartoons so I have more of an idea that there were shows out there. Maybe asians were slower at getting represented in American cartoons, but I guess that's natural from there being much less asians in America. "The Amazing Chan and the Chan Clan" seems like it was the only one mainly-asian cartoon for a long while (and it's very not good from the little I checked out; not like super racist, just very low production value, even by the 70s standards). But then you hit the 2000s and you get a few more. And of course the real reason you get more isn't just the desire for more representation, it's the influence of anime. That earlier wikipedia list is just Chinese American shows, there's a lot more non-chinese Asian American cartoons out there, from Xiaolin Showdown taking place in the Himalayans to a bunch of shows with Japanese characters like Hi Hi Puffy Ami Yumi or Samurai Jack. Recently Disney just ran a couple shows starring Thai Americans. There's even various forms of fictional nationality but asian-inspired characters, most famously Avatar. And this is in addition to media coming direct from China, Japan, and Korea that could even increase asian representation in American TV. There's also been a number of Hispanic American cartoons, maybe a bit more than specifically asian american shows, but without the as much of the added caveat of the booming foreign media evening things out. I guess some of the specific need for representation is a bit more blurry since a lot of hispanic americans can just sort of assimilate over time into "white", and at that point you might have to segue into all the other various things out there for the sake of representation; other national origins, religions, regions, disabilities. Benagain posted:Hey Arnold was set in Seattle actually and yes I just found that out like a month ago and still refuse to believe it More intended to be a city melange, although I'm not really sure how much west coast vibes it really has. I guess the one thing I could point to is the relative apparent lack of hispanic characters? New York City was 26% hispanic in 2000, but Seattle was only 4%.
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Sockser posted:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JDa3ii_mHmc drat this is a better one of those "jokes you never got as a kid."
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https://twitter.com/mouse_inhouse/status/1780257310507720935 Jeez. I knew about Clay but not Andy.
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I remember the show not really straying into fantasy territory much either (the only big exceptions I can think of are the end of The Haunted Train and possibly the movie that closed out the show). I also liked that sometimes characters didn’t learn any lessons from their experience in the episode and just kept being assholes. Hey Arnold was a pretty smart show for the time (it definitely had some of the most realistic depictions of kids/families at least) that honestly still holds up in a lot of respects Larryb fucked around with this message at 21:20 on Apr 16, 2024 |
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Larryb posted:I remember the show not really straying into fantasy territory much either (the only big exceptions I can think of are the end of The Haunted Train and possibly the movie that closed out the show). i always liked the harold started as bully and then just ended up being some fat insecure jewish kid. I always like the meat/butcher episode which i liked.
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Bifner McDoogle posted:Ha, don't know how I forgot that, but it's absolutely true. The bizarre pride he takes in the beeper business is one of those things that's funny as a kid and funnier as an adult. I can't remember where I read it, but the showrunners of "As Told By Ginger" wrote Courtney as being closetedly lesbian and having a crush on Ginger hence her whole thing of wanting to include her in stuff. They had an arc where she comes out to her, where Ginger politely declines, but supports her about it without outing her. Dapper_Swindler posted:lol. i remember the bobs beepers or some poo poo. I also feel like he probably didnt evolve with the times but didnt lose everything because of medical folks using them still. The movie has them fall on hard times because he never segued into cellular and just stuck with beepers. Edit: I always thought Phoebe was Korean or Filipino. Mr. Hyunh was definitely vietnamese as shown in the Christmas episode. doomrider7 fucked around with this message at 21:35 on Apr 16, 2024 |
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The Seattle thing is crazy to me since there was a whole episode about a story from the revolutionary war on that island, which made me think east coast.
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doomrider7 posted:Edit: I always thought Phoebe was Korean or Filipino. Mr. Hyunh was definitely vietnamese as shown in the Christmas episode. He also says it outright as a throwaway gag in an earlier episode Out of curiosity, where was it established that the show took place in Seattle? An interview or something? Larryb fucked around with this message at 23:42 on Apr 16, 2024 |
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Neeksy posted:The Seattle thing is crazy to me since there was a whole episode about a story from the revolutionary war on that island, which made me think east coast. And isn’t the secret motivation of the villain from the movie getting revenge on behalf of his ancestor who fought for the British?
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Neeksy posted:The Seattle thing is crazy to me since there was a whole episode about a story from the revolutionary war on that island, which made me think east coast. Revolutionary or a war over a pig?
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Larryb posted:He also says it outright as a throwaway gag in an earlier episode Something like that yeah which always felt weird. I do know that it was kept vague so that it felt like it could be ANY city in the US, but certain things always gave it a SUPER East Coast vibe(local harbor, random small islands just off the coast, Revolutionary War stories).
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SlothfulCobra posted:Revolutionary or a war over a pig? Boo to the wikipedia page for not having "1 pig" under Strength
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Can someone sell me on Smiling Friends? For some reason I thought the title was ironic or something, but I watched a few clips from the Gwimbly episode and I think I misled myself.
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It’s good? Either ya like it or ya don’t. The Gwimbly episode is pretty on point for the general vibe of the show so if that isn’t hitting for you the rest of it likely won’t as well. It’s mostly a vehicle for the animation team to just do whatever the hell they want to and the writing and delivery is pretty fun.
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Warbird posted:It’s good? Either ya like it or ya don’t. The Gwimbly episode is pretty on point for the general vibe of the show so if that isn’t hitting for you the rest of it likely won’t as well. It’s mostly a vehicle for the animation team to just do whatever the hell they want to and the writing and delivery is pretty fun. Oh yeah forgot mention I enjoyed what I watched. So if the rest of the series is like that I'll be sure to check it out.
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Yeah the premise of the show is basically an excuse to throw these weird characters at even weirder depressed people.
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I can’t prove anything but they have an unusually high mortality rate for guest voices.
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Gwimbly is probably the strongest episode of the show, but there's not a single iconic stinker in the whole lot
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Warbird posted:I can’t prove anything but they have an unusually high mortality rate for guest voices. RIP God
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Alcohol has yet to claim Mike Stoklassa.
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Too much of a hack fraud to die. Rich is also in this season from what I understand.
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Space Ghost marathon livestream  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qiheRTcwkc4
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doomrider7 posted:Something like that yeah which always felt weird. I do know that it was kept vague so that it felt like it could be ANY city in the US, but certain things always gave it a SUPER East Coast vibe(local harbor, random small islands just off the coast, Revolutionary War stories). I've read that the city seems mostly New York but mixing elements and aesthetics from Seattle and even Portland. It's a pretty common thing in cartoons, whether or not the setting even gets named, and smart because it makes the setting more relatable and sidesteps geography pendants, as well as letting writers and artists incorporate whatever elements they want.
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Electric Phantasm posted:Oh yeah forgot mention I enjoyed what I watched. So if the rest of the series is like that I'll be sure to check it out. yeah its mostly good. I think some episodes are better then others, but none are bad really. i like the tone alot. some of the jokes/gags might not click fully because they are weird in jokes from oney plays which zach is on, but thats only a couple.
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I've watched like, three minutes total of Oneyplays and can't think of any jokes or dialogue in Smiling Friends that were impenetrable just because so much of the show is based around weird friend in-joke non-sequitors and such anyway. There was never a moment that I was like "well I feel like I'm missing something here".
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Get ready to watch some heroes kick the poo poo out some thieving gnomes! Golden Axe Animated Series From Mike McMahan Set at Comedy Central; Matthew Rhys and Danny Pudi Among Voice Cast
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Were they unable to find anyone else to pick it up? I heard the news the other day and it's a super bummer.
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Warbird posted:Were they unable to find anyone else to pick it up? I heard the news the other day and it's a super bummer. Who else could? Paramount owns Trek outright as far as I know.
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YO. That show had so much potential. I was always waiting it to just, like, "get good". The designs were sick.
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I guess we have different tastes then because a lot of people found the first season fun and it has my personal favorite versions of Clark and Lois Looking forward to more personally, hope we get a release date soon
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