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Ghost Leviathan
Mar 2, 2017

Exploration is ill-advised.

Fabulousity posted:

Whoa, I forgot all about Ugly Americans. That show is almost ten years old now :stare: Kurt Metzger as basically Undead Bender was great. Callie and Leonard also great. First season Twayne as a malicious all powerful demon middle manager muzzled only by HR and office environment social norms was also great. Season two Twayne as a mewling momma's boy not very great. Either way the show deserved more seasons than it got.

On a different note how about Mike Tyson's Mysteries? I guess adding Mike Tyson to something like Scooby Doo could only ever elevate it to pure art. Apparently he ad libs some of the dialogue but I have no idea how much.

Apparently sometimes when Mike flubs his lines they just leave it in if it's funnier.

Mike Tyson Mysteries feels like it could share a universe with the Venture Bros.

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Ghost Leviathan
Mar 2, 2017

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It's a good time to be a Ouiaboo.

Ghost Leviathan
Mar 2, 2017

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I feel kinda the point is that Japan's society is so hosed that rebellion is actually far easier than trying to live a 'normal' life because the pressures and cost of living make it impossible to settle down and have a family.

Ghost Leviathan
Mar 2, 2017

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Barudak posted:

Japanese birth rate is higher than Spain, Italy, Greece, Taiwan, Korea, and Hong Kong.

Like is it low, sure, is it appreciably lower than other developed countries? Not really.

Those societies kind of all have similar problems though with a crushing lack of opportunity for young people (Spain has ridiculously high youth unemployment iirc and Greece is being turbofucked economically), and Korea in particular has basically all of Japan's problems but even worse, probably Taiwan and Hong Kong aren't dissimilar.

Ghost Leviathan
Mar 2, 2017

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Kinda sounds like Aggretsuko is one of those shows dancing around the idea that the real enemy is capitalism but never quite able to get there.

Ghost Leviathan
Mar 2, 2017

Exploration is ill-advised.
I figured the joke might be that it's more realistic for her to become a billionare's trophy wife than to actually be able to marry a nice normal guy and raise a family like she wants.

A lot of anime lately seems to be either increasingly bizarrely specific escapism, a desperate cry for help, or both.

Ghost Leviathan
Mar 2, 2017

Exploration is ill-advised.
Speaking of one-season Netflix animation, was there any news on Castlevania or is that left hanging as well?

Surprised they were setting stuff up, thought they might do a Blackadder thing and timeskip after each season to the next generation of Belmonts.

Ghost Leviathan
Mar 2, 2017

Exploration is ill-advised.
Does Daria count for this? Either way, rewatching the finale movie and noticing there's an ongoing theme of at least half the cast having some personal crisis or another and the other half trying to help them, with varying results, but enough that it seems like a theme.

Ghost Leviathan
Mar 2, 2017

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I mean, it's set in Hell. The whole thing is everyone wallows in their worst behaviours because there's no incentive to do anything else. Which I have a feeling is something that people on the internet can relate to.

Ghost Leviathan
Mar 2, 2017

Exploration is ill-advised.
Much like how you pretty much are never going to find an experienced artist of any talent who hasn't drawn porn, you're not going to get far looking for cartoon artists who haven't drawn furries. It's a running joke with porn artists that when they disappear without warning leaving everyone hanging it usually means they've gotten a job.

Ghost Leviathan
Mar 2, 2017

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I think he was maybe implied to be Jewish in Gotham, but that's a pretty different interpretation of the character.

Ghost Leviathan
Mar 2, 2017

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When internet racists are praising you, you've probably done something wrong.


Bobbin Threadbare posted:

Reading the first person's other tweets in the thread, it sounds like the disconnect is based on the fact that Jewish stereotypes are largely harmless in the United States but are still weaponized in other countries where Jews are actively persecuted minorities.

How long ago was that synagogue shooting?

Ghost Leviathan
Mar 2, 2017

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The theory at the time was retaliation for the Bojack studio unionising.

Ghost Leviathan
Mar 2, 2017

Exploration is ill-advised.
Stuck in my head so I inflict it upon you: the Tuca and Bertie theme but with Banjo and Kazooie (and Banjo and Kazooie and Kazooie and Banjo and Banjo and Kazooie)

Ghost Leviathan
Mar 2, 2017

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Remember Bushworld Adventures? This is the same dude following up on another short.

https://twitter.com/MichaelRCusack/status/1286161029215301637

Ghost Leviathan
Mar 2, 2017

Exploration is ill-advised.

Warbird posted:

I really appreciate YOLO being presented as a documentary on Aussie life. And as far as the Hotel thing, it’s ok. I thought the Boss side story thing was pretty good.

Michael Cusack's entire body of work is literally just documentaries of Australian life

Ghost Leviathan
Mar 2, 2017

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Warbird posted:

I don't follow a lot of what's going on in YOLO but I'm also not an Aussie so I think it may just be a cultural barrier. I'm pretty sure it's real drat good though.

it's literally just unaltered footage of australian life

But please ask questions, they are always really funny

Ghost Leviathan
Mar 2, 2017

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I hadn't seen this show before. It looks like If The Emperor Had A Text-To-Speech Device. Which came first?

Ghost Leviathan
Mar 2, 2017

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the sex in the holodeck jokes were already flat out text in Deep Space Nine like everything good about Star Trek that hack writers both ignore and pretend they invented

Ghost Leviathan
Mar 2, 2017

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Seems like Cartoon Network was trying to copy Disney's weird scheduling voodoo and failing badly.

Ghost Leviathan
Mar 2, 2017

Exploration is ill-advised.

Warbird posted:

As someone with only a cursory awareness of either show, loving what?

It's more metaphorical, but pretty obvious. Finn's sexuality does clearly seem to be... undirected, maybe to be expected from someone who never met anyone of the same species until adolescence. And he's also a confirmed masochist.

I fell off around the Orgalorg arc ending in a wet fart, but apparently it got better?

Ghost Leviathan
Mar 2, 2017

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There's also an entire episode where Jake tries to find a form of pain that Finn doesn't actually enjoy.

Ghost Leviathan
Mar 2, 2017

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Adventure Time is vaguely twee but more willing to get into genuinely weird and dark poo poo, tweeness is usually despised because it's toothless, self-indulgent and made by and for manchildren (and womanchildren) finding the worst possible ways to express themselves.

Ghost Leviathan
Mar 2, 2017

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I still love that Bushworld Adventures is literally just Australian family life.

The manic burnout energy of Australian Rick arguably fits him even better than his usual voice.

Ghost Leviathan fucked around with this message at 07:28 on Nov 29, 2020

Ghost Leviathan
Mar 2, 2017

Exploration is ill-advised.
The thing I heard is T&B was cancelled in retaliation for the Bojack crew unionising.

Ghost Leviathan
Mar 2, 2017

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That doesn't surprise me, there's a lot of bits about Tuca and Bertie that are clearly hitting the ground running and flashbacks to previous stuff. It seems a common thing with TV shows nowadays; they expect you've watched a ton of stuff and don't need to have everything explained to you from the word go. Also means you can have flashbacks putting things into new perspective.

Though wondering if I should rewatch, with things in mind like Bertie having completely ignored the other bakery employee.

Ghost Leviathan
Mar 2, 2017

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ninjewtsu posted:

i dunno bojack sure managed it

Yeah, 'silly' isn't inherently dark or bright. (see 2000AD)

Ghost Leviathan
Mar 2, 2017

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The whole Fry/Leela thing in retrospect kinda works at least better than... most 00s romances in that they actually get along and Leela isn't opposed to Fry's interests arbitrarily, but he just doesn't suit her preferences as is. And he's not completely single-mindedly obsessed with her.

That said, it's a low bar. I've joked that the Anakin/Padme dynamic in the Star Wars prequels came off badly because it wasn't supposed to be healthy, but it's not like a 00s audience would have any reasonable bar to measure from with literally any other media of the era.

Ghost Leviathan
Mar 2, 2017

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Space Cadet Omoly posted:

I'd be up for Clone High being a funny take on Riverdale, but that show may be beyond parody.

I kinda got the impression it basically IS parody.


galenanorth posted:

clone of the original Velma, the Velma we know was the clone of a pre-existing person, mistakenly sent to Clone High by computer error, all kinds of ways that misinterpretation could go as a prompt

It's canon that there's been dozens of Velmas across history

Ghost Leviathan
Mar 2, 2017

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Owlofcreamcheese posted:

Bunch of ghost encounters explain why a smart girl ends up following a bunch of stoners in a van Instead of going to Vassar

This is actually basically the backstory for one of Webby's new friends in the DuckTales reboot, though she's more Egon as a purple female bird girl.

Ghost Leviathan
Mar 2, 2017

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Mokinokaro posted:

The even more egregious one from Star Trek is O'Brian going through a prison sentence where he's subjected to years of torture in a simulation yet seems perfectly fine most episodes after.

Picard's alternate life experience was at least warm.

Yeah, but that's a slightly tougher than normal Tuesday for O'Brien.

Ghost Leviathan
Mar 2, 2017

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readingatwork posted:

Can’t argue on this one. This is a surprisingly common trope in cartoons for some reason (My Life as a Teenage Robot, Sonic X, Star VS, etc) and every single time I see it done it bugs the poo poo out of me for this exact reason. Turning a character from the plucky kid or the comic relief into the voice of wisdom and experience in this way is such a cool idea that I’m shocked literally every writer on the planet has failed to capitalize on it.

Sheldon is now a space pirate with almost a century of experience and a genuine grudge against his former love interest! How in the hell do you look at that setup and say “nah let’s just go back to the status quo”!? :argh:

I really need to watch the rest of that show.

It's mostly an issue when these shows revolve around having a particular status quo for character development, and radically changing a character based on offscreen events wouldn't really work.

Ghost Leviathan
Mar 2, 2017

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Data Graham posted:

Mm, maybe. I feel that since so many of those machine-gun-fire shows came out of the Adult Swim machine, they were trying to resonate with the late-teens-early-20s "lol stoned college kids" crowd of the 00's, not the nearly-30-somethings who had grown up on classic Simpsons.

I can't say whether that cohort actually has that much faster a sense of humor than the Simpsons-raised ones though, or if [as] just like ... assumed they did.

You think the stoned college kids of the 00s hadn't grown up on The Simpsons?

I think the problem is just more that rapid-fire comedy smoothly following plot threads while pelting you with references and gags is really hard to do, and takes a lot of effort and requires good delivery.

Ghost Leviathan
Mar 2, 2017

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A lot makes sense when you realise that the slaveowners didn't really lose the Civil War.

Ghost Leviathan
Mar 2, 2017

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A lot of the Adult Swim shows draw from the same well of genre parody and exploring the bits of standard sci-fi concepts that get all the more hosed up the more you think about them.

Captain Sunshine is a funny example given the Michael Jackson riffs (and pretty sure that part of the joke is a reference to Captain Eo) but the prolonged joke is that the superhero lifestyle has left him with really poor ideas of personal boundaries and decency. (One of the takes on Michael Jackson before more accusers came out to pretty much confirm he was a predator and not just really messed up)

Ghost Leviathan
Mar 2, 2017

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Venture Bros does superhero parody more incidentally, given it covers a broader set of 'genres' with its characters critiquing escapist media in general (perhaps specifically pulp adventure and its descendants) and specifically focusing on how hosed up someone has to be and how hosed up it'll make them to engage in that kind of violent lifestyle.

There's a reason the new DuckTales gets called 'G-rated Venture Bros' since it's basically a less ironic take on one of the grand-daddies of kid-aimed pulp adventure fiction (the inspiration for Indiana Jones) and quite naturally ends up with a lot of overlapping themes.

Ghost Leviathan
Mar 2, 2017

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ShortyMR.CAT posted:

I dont think Damo and Darren can exist outside of youtube. I woulda argued its hilariously Australian but then they made YOLO and Bushworld adventures. So idk.

We all got ciggie butt brains

I'm pretty sure they're all in the same universe. Don't Damo and Darren show up in Captain Koala?

Ghost Leviathan
Mar 2, 2017

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Unreconstructed #StillWithHer is apparently a pretty common attitude in the entertainment industry. See also about the only coherent reading of the whole Holdo thing in The Last Jedi.

Ghost Leviathan
Mar 2, 2017

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Megillah Gorilla posted:

Is it that Holdo was an idiot?


EDIT: To be fair, every character in that movie acted like an idiot at drat near every opportunity.

Indeed. Though more that the aristocratic calm white woman spends the movie talking down to the hot-blooded bro (who happens to be Latino) to stop questioning her and support her unwaveringly because She Has A Plan and he should be respecting the chain of command (despite that never, ever being a thing with the Rebels or Resistance) and she would have saved them all if it weren't for all the minorities refusing to do what they're told. (Some suspect that it was supposed to be old white guy Han Solo she was calling out for his cowboy ways, but he's dead, which may be its own fitting analogy on top of all that)

It may seem contrived, but it's pretty much the only explanation I've heard that actually makes that whole plot make any sort of coherent sense.

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Ghost Leviathan
Mar 2, 2017

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Pretty sure he's specifically Namor, complete with Rick being the standin for Reed Richards.

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