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MiddleOne posted:I've got say I hated basically everything about the trial scene. this episode was the worst one by far
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I don't even care whether it was realistic or not, it was nails on a chalkboard to listen irregardless and not enjoyable television.
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Jul 15, 2019 12:02
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There was something genuinely funny about that lawyer pulling out Microsoft Stumble Simulator and trying to argue that in 100% of cases Perry wouldn’t fall like he did. Otherwise, yikes, didn’t enjoy the trial. Season 2 as a whole kind of suffers from not having the murder to frame itself around. Everything feels kinda disjointed.
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Jul 15, 2019 13:34
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Agreed that the simulator was dumb but so funny. I didn’t like the courtroom scene either, yet I’m still super excited to see Celeste turn it around on Mary Louise which I am sure will be equally dumb.
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Jul 15, 2019 14:31
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This was not a good episode of television
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Jul 15, 2019 16:41
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TheHan posted:There was something genuinely funny about that lawyer pulling out Microsoft Stumble Simulator and trying to argue that in 100% of cases Perry wouldn’t fall like he did. Like just, aaaaaagh. What was that.
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Jul 15, 2019 20:03
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Wonder how much ragdoll physics 2006 cost. Also Celestes lawyer is awful and the prosecutions whole case is she "banged some dudes"
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Jul 15, 2019 22:02
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Celeste's last resort is that an owl pushed Perry down the stairs
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Jul 15, 2019 23:11
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Despera posted:Wonder how much ragdoll physics 2006 cost. Also Celestes lawyer is awful and the prosecutions whole case is she "banged some dudes" Apparently mothers are not allowed to have a sex life in puritan 'wherever the show takes place'.
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Jul 16, 2019 00:11
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Despera posted:Wonder how much ragdoll physics 2006 cost. Also Celestes lawyer is awful and the prosecutions whole case is she "banged some dudes"
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Jul 16, 2019 00:48
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Fritzler posted:Also those dudes are all so hot. It is like they showed a presentation of male models. Would've loved it if the judge saw the photos and complimented her. If celeste was a man she would probably be getting high fives in court.
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Jul 16, 2019 01:12
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I think Meryl Streep has been killing it.
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Jul 16, 2019 02:06
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I feel like the judge would have sided with Celeste if she would have stayed the course. She seemed sympathetic and you do hosed up and weird things when you’re spiraling out from losing someone you love. I say this as someone who has recently lost someone close to me. There can be wake up calls and I could see the judge giving her the benefit of the doubt. Why wasn’t the therapist on the stand as a character witness? I think the direction of the show is Streep’s character wins and she goes after Ziggy next season. cheese eats mouse fucked around with this message at 02:52 on Jul 16, 2019 |
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Jul 16, 2019 02:50
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Also whats with this detective with nothing better to do than find out whether the rapist was pushed/fell? Even if he was alive he'd be locked up forever by this point. The lawyer like jesus christ never went to basic bargaining school. Before even she knew the case forcing the mother to split custody 50/50 with the grandmother just because the grandmother asked is somehow a "good deal." Yeah maybe if this Utah the judge would care about having SEX with someone. California though has the GDP of a small european country from porn alone.
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Jul 16, 2019 02:55
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MiddleOne posted:Apparently mothers are not allowed to have a sex life in puritan 'wherever the show takes place'. IT'S A SICKNESS
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Jul 16, 2019 03:10
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Despera posted:Also whats with this detective with nothing better to do than find out whether the rapist was pushed/fell? Even if he was alive he'd be locked up forever by this point. It's wild that the judge didn't throw the case out immediately, Perry's body isn't even cold yet and you're gonna rip these kids away from their mother cause she's distraught? Meryl Streep was already pretty great as a Ms.Marple style villain investigator but contriving a reason for the custody battle was a weird move.
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Jul 16, 2019 03:11
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Also, Celeste demanding to discuss Mary Louise’s fitness and that going over like some crazy surprise was nonsense. Perry was an abusive rapist who brutalized women for years, and the mother who raised him wants to take her grandkids from their mother to raise as her own. Nobody thought to look into that? Celeste’s lawyer didn’t contemplate this? That lawyer blows.
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Jul 16, 2019 09:39
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This courtroom episode reminded me of Broadchurch's second season. Just incredibly contrived and obviously awful arguments that no court should accept and yet they do for the sake of drama.
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Jul 16, 2019 10:48
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Agreed that trial was hard to watch just for how absurd it was while trying to pretend it was realistic. I have no legal knowledge but a judge would probably, like, say something when a lawyer continually tried to go back to the same point that had already been overruled about five times, right?
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Jul 16, 2019 14:23
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Gluten Freeman posted:This courtroom episode reminded me of Broadchurch's second season. Just incredibly contrived and obviously awful arguments that no court should accept and yet they do for the sake of drama. I really liked the first season of Broadchurch, haven't watched 2 and 3 yet. Should I keep it that way?
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Jul 16, 2019 15:28
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Xealot posted:Also, Celeste demanding to discuss Mary Louise’s fitness and that going over like some crazy surprise was nonsense. To be fair they did go out of their way to establish that she isn’t the best lawyer. There was the scene where they had Streep conflict out all the good ones and had Laura Dern’s character specifically say all the best attorneys were conflicted out and try to reassure Kidman that the lawyer she got wasn’t completely terrible.
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Jul 16, 2019 17:37
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I got confused by how bad the lawyer was too before remembering Mary’s plan, and to be fair the idea of a bad lawyer being a cartoonish buffoon is so ingrained that a bad lawyer who’s quiet and reserved flies under the radar.
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Jul 16, 2019 20:28
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Bulky Bartokomous posted:To be fair they did go out of their way to establish that she isn’t the best lawyer. There was the scene where they had Streep conflict out all the good ones and had Laura Dern’s character specifically say all the best attorneys were conflicted out and try to reassure Kidman that the lawyer she got wasn’t completely terrible. Shes not even just completely terrible, shes as useless as a fart into the wind. Splitting custody 50/50 just because they asked was just completely insane. At some point her complete incompetence is less that all the good lawyers got conflicted out and more like the showrunners had to make this trail seem close.
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Jul 16, 2019 21:48
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Is "contacting all the good lawyers" a real thing or just a tv trope?
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Jul 16, 2019 21:52
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Seems like monitoring the quality of every family law lawyer in the greater San Francisco-San Jose area would be pretty difficult.
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kanonvandekempen posted:I really liked the first season of Broadchurch, haven't watched 2 and 3 yet. Should I keep it that way? 2 is pretty bad, but 3 is meant to be better, it deals with an entirely different case instead of retreading season one again. I didn't watch it though, it got too depressing for my state of mind at the time.
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Despera posted:Seems like monitoring the quality of every family law lawyer in the greater San Francisco-San Jose area would be pretty difficult. The dude a couple episodes ago told her which ones to contact, but yeah I agree in principle. I'm also curious how this conflict of interest thing is supposed to work. Like, did she actually hire them? Or just sit down for a meet & greet and that did the trick? Not that we'll ever get more information on that in the show, but if it is a real life thing I'm going to start meeting as many lawyers of as many types as possible.
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Jul 17, 2019 04:27
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The main conflict of season 2 hinges on whether or not some judge will make an insane and indefensible decision (give the kids to streep).
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Jul 17, 2019 10:01
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nooneofconsequence posted:Is "contacting all the good lawyers" a real thing or just a tv trope? Badly need an answer to this. And also, accounting for the fact that Celeste is rich as gently caress, did Streep contact literally every custody lawyer in California? I don't understand why they went in this direction.
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Jul 17, 2019 10:23
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MiddleOne posted:Badly need an answer to this. And also, accounting for the fact that Celeste is rich as gently caress, did Streep contact literally every custody lawyer in California? Same problem that "GoT" had, maybe -- source material is exhausted and original ideas aren't well thought out?
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Jul 17, 2019 14:36
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nooneofconsequence posted:Is "contacting all the good lawyers" a real thing or just a tv trope? In many jurisdictions, yes, it is a real thing. Typically during an initial consult enough information is exchanged that would make it difficult for that lawyer to ethically work for the opposing party if the prospective client ends up not hiring them. In practice it usually isn’t that hard since there usually only a handful of attorneys in a specific practice area that are considered the best.
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Jul 17, 2019 14:55
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Bulky Bartokomous posted:In practice it usually isn’t that hard since there usually only a handful of attorneys in a specific practice area that are considered the best. I would buy that if California didn't have a population of almost 40 million. There's got to be literally thousands of top of their field custody lawyers.
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Jul 17, 2019 15:14
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Yes I googled and I see it's potentially a real thing. In practice, not so smart. Found a reddit thread where a guy did just that (after, guess what, someone on reddit told him to) and this is how it turned out: "I just got hit with a motion for attorneys fees saying that what I did was abuse of process, an attempt to deprive and interfere with justice, bad faith, and a bunch of other stuff. And that I have to pay part of her attorney fees because I made it more expensive for her." lol. Seems extremely unethical for her own lawyer to advise that course of action but he came off as a huge scumbag during the trial so maybe not unbelievable.
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Jul 17, 2019 15:39
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I feel like the writers could have avoided all of this if they'd established literally any grey area. Then there would be no need for hooky gimmicks to make it believable that Streeps character stand any chance.
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Jul 17, 2019 15:49
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There has gotta be more than a handful of good family law laywers in the SF-SD area. Not to mention pretty much any lawyer could handle this case competently. Flying someone up from LA for a week wouldnt be that expensive either. Also scumbag lawyer telling all his clients to conflict out every lawyer in the area would probably piss off enough law firms and deprive them of clients that they would do something about it.
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Jul 17, 2019 23:03
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"Smells like somebody's having a party 😎" I'm not convinced these writers have ever met a 7 year-old.
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Jul 17, 2019 23:07
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One of the things that legit annoys me about the writing is that when it comes to the kids the writers just go "gently caress it" and write them like a man in his 40s. When the actual goddamn Trammps started performing Disco Inferno to a room of screaming children in TYOOL 2019 I lost it.
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TheHan posted:One of the things that legit annoys me about the writing is that when it comes to the kids the writers just go "gently caress it" and write them like a man in his 40s. When the actual goddamn Trammps started performing Disco Inferno to a room of screaming children in TYOOL 2019 I lost it. Reminds me of an episode of Better Things where teenage girls went nuts over a Joe Walsh concert.
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Jul 18, 2019 02:44
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It’s apparently pretty widespread. I saw an article written for the Dallas bar the referred to it is a problem where people think it’s okay because everyone else is doing it.
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Well that was a big wet fart of an ending
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