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| Joe Biden, the Inappropriate Toucher |
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18 | 1.46% |
| Bernie Sanders, the Hand Flailer |
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665 | 54.11% |
| Elizabeth Warren, the Plan Maker |
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319 | 25.96% |
| Kamala Harris, the Cop Lord |
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26 | 2.12% |
| Cory Booker, the Super Hero Wannabe |
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5 | 0.41% |
| Julian Castro, the Twin |
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5 | 0.41% |
| Kirsten Gillibrand, the Franken Killer |
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5 | 0.41% |
| Pete Buttigieg, the Troop Sociopath |
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17 | 1.38% |
| Robert Francis O'Rourke, the Fake Latino |
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3 | 0.24% |
| Jay Inslee, the Climate Alarmist |
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8 | 0.65% |
| Marianne Williamson, the Crystal Queen |
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86 | 7.00% |
| Tulsi Gabbard, the Muslim Hater |
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23 | 1.87% |
| Andrew Yang, the $1000 Fool |
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32 | 2.60% |
| Eric Swalwell, the Insurance Wife Guy |
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2 | 0.16% |
| Amy Klobuchar, the Comb Enthusiast |
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1 | 0.08% |
| Bill de Blasio, the NYPD Most Hated |
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4 | 0.33% |
| Tim Ryan, the Dope Face |
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3 | 0.24% |
| John Hickenlooper, the Also Ran |
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7 | 0.57% |
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Ogmius815 posted:I’m pretty sure the Marianne “fans” are doing a sort of bit. No one really wants her to be the nominee. It’s entertaining to have one total kook in the debates, like with Mike Gravel or Ross Perot. THIS IS HOW WE GOT TRUMP
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Solvent posted:Hello. There's so many contradictory sentences here, I don't know where to start.
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Jun 28, 2019 15:37
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in the DSA thread, I’ve declared this rabid communist bullshit to be not funny anymore.
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Solvent posted:Hello. https://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3604430&pagenumber=1&perpage=40#post493567277
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Ogmius815 posted:I’m pretty sure the Marianne “fans” are doing a sort of bit. No one really wants her to be the nominee. It’s entertaining to have one total kook in the debates, like with Mike Gravel or Ross Perot. she is deeply amusing. not least because, in the grand tradition of the wacky weirdo who managed to scam their way in, she's saying a few things that genuinely need to be said. her raising the issue of why, exactly, all these people felt the need to flee their countries after we destroyed them recalls the sensible chuckles had at the expense of that wacky Mr. Kucinich, and his argument that trans people are people, back in 2004. good times. remember the way Jon Stewart just DESTROYED that crazy rear end in a top hat, for thinking "chicks with dicks" could be qualified for government roles? it is to laugh.
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Jun 28, 2019 15:39
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Yeah, Williamson is likable because her kooky perspective is genuinely more serious than what passes for a Very Serious Electable Candidate Who Gets Things Done in the minds of affluent liberals.TulliusCicero posted:Like I don't think JK Rowling is some master of literature either, but jesus folks popular culture is a thing
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Jun 28, 2019 15:39
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VH4Ever posted:I allow for this possibility but I just have no loving patience for it. Folks ITT already know I had no patience for the stupid Gravel thing either. No. Joke. Candidates. We get it, you hate fun. Congratulations on freaking out over two no hopers who were never going to be the nominee because you hate fun that much.
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Jun 28, 2019 15:41
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kidkissinger posted:THIS IS HOW WE GOT TRUMP Nahh Trump was something else. He was the white hot ball of rage given human form. He said what Republicans always believed. Williamson is just a kind of funny old lady who bought her way on the stage.
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Jun 28, 2019 15:42
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VH4Ever posted:I allow for this possibility but I just have no loving patience for it. Folks ITT already know I had no patience for the stupid Gravel thing either. No. Joke. Candidates.
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Jun 28, 2019 15:42
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Democrazy posted:My serious analysis is that a secret winner of this debate might be Bernie Sanders. While he didn’t do anything spectacular in the debate, he didn’t do anything too bad, and debates were never going to be his strong suit, anyway. He also is likely to benefit from Biden’s meltdown, as there has been some polling showing an overlap between Biden and Bernie’s support. The other problem is that the debate format really works against him because the moderators don't really engage with him. It feels like he gets a lot of questions about the practicality of his proposals and he makes a legitimate criticism that the moderators aren't really asking the questions in a way that speaks to the fact that he's talking about systematic change. But I think the way that Sanders expresses that often comes off as repetitive and deflective. Also going to go ahead and say a controversial thing: It is fine to be critical of Kamala Harris for the truancy law on a few points 1) It is absolutely right and admirable to draw a line against any punitive action for a non-violent crime 2) Harris's justification for the law was a very misguided one. She essentially argued that there was a correlation between dropouts and being a victim of a crime or ending up in prison. The problem is that education inequity runs parallel with other forms of inequity. In short, yes there might be a correlation, but there are also a bunch of other social factors that are leading to that sample to disproportionately be related to crime. With that said, I feel like the actual law itself gets unexamined in a way that makes me feel a bit uncomfortable. I want to be clear that I would rather not the law exist because I think Harris's reasoning is wrong and I do believe that bondage needs to be viewed as a last resort in America. With that said, I get it. I want to say that I think when the law is simplified to a quick "Copmala wants to send parents to jail for truancy" I feel like there is this image people get in their heads of truancy being Bart Simpson like scrapes. What I want to be clear that truancy itself is child abuse. It is abusive to purposefully take away a child's education and it is especially abusive when that child has a disability. And yes, there are definitely extreme cases in which there are reasons for why a parent is not sending a student to school, but there are legitimately parents who do not send their children to school for no real reason at all and it is an actual problem. I have had a student who suffered from a learning disability who missed school often (20% of school days) and would come two hours late when she did attend her school. 1) Her mother had a decent job and seemed financially stable 2) Her mother's job started after school started 3) I would call in the morning to ensure she was coming to school 4) We assigned mom a social worker who was very dedicated to getting any support mom needed 5) We found a neighbor student to help get the daughter to school 6) We did home visits 7) We eventually called Child Services who inquired if there was any specific support the family needed. She still missed school. And this isn't an isolated case. So, I get that when Harris seemed to be gloating that she scared a mom into sending her kid to school, people found it offputting, but I honestly get it because I wish I could scare parents into sending kids to school. And while I'm all on board for the social revolution that gives us a world where this poo poo isn't happening, these kids live in this world right now. And even if you think it's small of me to wish I could just bully a parent into making their kid go to school, please understand it is rooted in me doing things like making accommodations and separate lessons for a student to accommodate their disability only for his father to let him play Fortnight all week. It's also worth citing because I don't think it gets mentioned enough, the law was intended to come after literally everything else has been tried, offered, and failed as well as had failsafes to ensure parents could defer consequences with improvement. When Harris gives this quote, “I have a huge stick. The school district has a carrot — let’s work in tandem.” I get why it sounds monstrous, but as an educator who busts his butt to get kids to school and seeing my coworkers do the same, it does have a logic to it. The education system shouldn't be punitive--and I think that Harris actually does profoundly understand that. The notion that for all the work I do in earnest and out of kindness that there is some sort of nuclear option at the end of all the other stuff makes sense. Still, the fact that any parents got to the point where they were negotiating jailtime proves the inherent problem in this type the law and how despite the intent, a society that operates on punitive actions is an ultimately flawed society. I'm not really defending the law or Harris, and I do think there are tons of things to look at in Harris's prosecution career that I find a lot more troubling. My problem is that the truancy law has--at least here and other places on the progressive internet--become a sort of quick bludgeon. It's brought up with the assumption of it being such an obviously abominable thing to do. It is used to quickly disqualify Harris altogether. And I guess the main reason why I am uneasy about that is that I am suspicious if a lot of folks here or on other parts of the internet understand how much of a problem truancy is. Even when people do give the law some consideration, the response is the government should just provide some nebulous support for the family. That is a well-intentioned response, but it's one that ignores what it actually is like to try to give those supports or that those supports exist at all. In short, I disagree with Harris and am suspicious of her prosecution past. It was not a good solution, but I feel like folks who treat it an instant disqualifying feature are not being thoughtful and are simplifying the underlying issues at play.
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Jun 28, 2019 15:42
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Ogmius815 posted:I’m pretty sure the Marianne “fans” are doing a sort of bit. No one really wants her to be the nominee. It’s entertaining to have one total kook in the debates, like with Mike Gravel or Ross Perot. It's a Chapo bit. https://twitter.com/CHAPOTRAPHOUSE/status/1143706221465231363
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Jun 28, 2019 15:43
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WampaLord posted:We get it, you hate fun. Congratulations on freaking out over two no hopers who were never going to be the nominee because you hate fun that much. Look who's back after all. Yeah, I hate fun when little kids are rotting and dying in concentration camps. I really do. loving sue me. Boy am I loving glad I never followed anyone's advice to listen to these assholes. They contribute nothing but worthless bullshit to the political zeitgeist in this country.
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Jun 28, 2019 15:44
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Yeowch!!! My Balls!!! posted:she is deeply amusing. not least because, in the grand tradition of the wacky weirdo who managed to scam their way in, she's saying a few things that genuinely need to be said. It’s too bad Kuncinich finally cancelled himself for good last night with his bullshit whining about the race card lmao. Also I actually change my mind, I respect you unhinged Warren anti-communist rant guy, at least you’re honest about your liberalism and why you think what you think.
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Jun 28, 2019 15:44
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VH4Ever posted:Who gives a gently caress? To the recent Marianne Williamson fans ITT (assuming you're not doing a really bad troll): what in the gently caress is wrong with you? You're what's wrong with America. We're not electing a loving anti-vax, anti-science "power of positive thought!!" moron made famous by bored white housewives on Oprah!! Jesus Christ we're a dumb as gently caress country. I really don't feel I can be nice about this anymore. People are dying. Many more will. Stop loving around and get serious about what's in front of us. I’ll vote for whoever the gently caress I want to , liberal
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At least Solvent is gone, except in the hearts and minds and posts of people who are a little too laissez faire with the drat quote button. Williamson is a joke candidate and yes, joke candidates are annoying, but I think it’s ok to celebrate awesome things like rooming with a very good and famous actor, or having a natural speaking cadence identical to melodramatic Twin Peaks overacting. Let people have fun! You would have to be as crazy as, well, Marianne Williamson to vote for her, so we don’t have to worry about signal boosting that much, IMO.
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Jun 28, 2019 15:46
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Really telling that the centrists think that a vociferous anti-imperialist is a joke candidate.
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VH4Ever posted:Look who's back after all. Yeah, I hate fun when little kids are rotting and dying in concentration camps. I really do. loving sue me. She was one of the few candidate to actually call that out if you were paying attention at all. I don't want her to win (and she won't, obviously) but dude get over yourself and embrace some loving humor or you're gonna have a heart attack from stress. Mellow Seas posted:Williamson is a joke candidate and yes, joke candidates are annoying, but I think it’s ok to celebrate awesome things like rooming with a very good and famous actor, or having a natural speaking cadence identical to melodramatic Twin Peaks overacting. Let people have fun! You would have to be as crazy as, well, Marianne Williamson to vote for her, so we don’t have to worry about signal boosting that much, IMO. You're making me agree with Mellow Seas, that's how much of a downer you're being.
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SKULL.GIF posted:Really telling that the centrists think that a vociferous anti-imperialist is a joke candidate. An 89yo 9/11 truther absolutely is. I saw plenty of anti-war candidates onstage last night including some guy named...Bernie was it? VH4Ever fucked around with this message at 15:52 on Jun 28, 2019 |
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Jun 28, 2019 15:48
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TrixR4kids posted:The sole purpose of Gravel was to get him on stage to directly attack Biden and the other lovely centrists for a whopping $1 (or $4.20 if you're feeling generous) knowing full well he wasn't going to steal the thunder of any of the progressives. Marianne literally serves no purpose. That would have been pretty exciting, I'm still a little upset it didn't happen. VH4Ever posted:Look who's back after all. Yeah, I hate fun when little kids are rotting and dying in concentration camps. I really do. loving sue me. Thank you for letting us know!
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Jun 28, 2019 15:49
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SKULL.GIF posted:Really telling that the centrists think that a vociferous anti-imperialist is a joke candidate. I dunno dude, weaponizing love sounds like a hell of a handout to the military contractors IMO 
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Jun 28, 2019 15:50
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I respect the Gravel teens ultimately using the campaign as an elaborate mechanism to gently caress Tulsi Gabbard’s staffers.
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Jun 28, 2019 15:50
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Funny how the “joke “ candidates are the only ones saying anything worth listening to . Marianne the ONLY one calling out American imperialism in South America , while the others stood silent . But “serious” candidates like Elizabeth “I have a plan!!” Warren who’s plan is to boost capitalism are the adult candidates ?
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"society" is probably the piece of media most analogous to our time and most of the harry potter folks have probably never seen it.
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Jun 28, 2019 15:52
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WampaLord posted:
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Lightning Knight posted:I respect the Gravel teens ultimately using the campaign as an elaborate mechanism to gently caress Tulsi Gabbard’s staffers. Gabbard's my personal "Hell loving No" candidate.
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Mellow Seas posted:Hah! It’s genuinely good to have you back, dude. You post content and make the best Simpsons references in the thread. I don't know how "back" I am, but I appreciate it. Anyway, Bernie didn't do gangbusters but he did fine enough, obviously the media narrative takeaway is Biden failing due to Kamala knifing him hard, which I think works out great for Bernie if Kamala ends up stealing a good chunk of Biden's support. It's still June of 2019 and we have several more months and debates to go. Strap in, folks.
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VH4Ever posted:Boy am I loving glad I never followed anyone's advice to listen to these assholes. They contribute nothing but worthless bullshit to the political zeitgeist in this country. imagine being this uptight about a throw away bit from a podcast
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Jun 28, 2019 15:55
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Tibalt posted:Did I miss this story? I think they deleted the tweet now but they posted a picture of them hanging out with some Tulsi staffers with strong “we’re going to go to the hotel room and drink now” energy.
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Jun 28, 2019 15:55
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it's really bizarre how several left wing commentators like kyle kuklinski are gabbard fans.
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Jun 28, 2019 15:56
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Skippy McPants posted:I've been thinking about it since last night, and I'm having trouble coming up a more thorough political suicide than Biden's. Budd Dwyer?
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Tibalt posted:Gabbard's my personal "Hell loving No" candidate. Earnest support from 4chan Nazi boards is enough to completely write Gabbard as a dangerous trap.
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Groovelord Neato posted:"society" is probably the piece of media most analogous to our time and most of the harry potter folks have probably never seen it. Society has a lot of what I'm looking for in a movie: dampness
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Jun 28, 2019 15:57
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The exchanges between Biden and Harris were so awful for Biden. Talking about opposing bussing on the principal that it shouldn't be a federal issue and should be up to the states is a really idiotic stance when the states weren't doing anything. An old white guy trying to rehab his image by explaining (white-splaining?) to a black woman who went through it was just  . I'm white as hell and it was clearly not a good look for him. My boomer dad does nothing but shitpost on Occupy Democrats all day and was super happy when Biden announced, but has since really soured on him thankfully.
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Harris is bad for many other reasons besides being a cop. She's already walked bad the whole "eliminate private insurance" bit.
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DoombatINC posted:Society has a lot of what I'm looking for in a movie: dampness it is an incredibly damp movie. patrick ewing damp.
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Kevyn posted:Budd Dwyer? Oof, wow. I mean, accurate but drat that's dark.
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Jun 28, 2019 16:00
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roughly 8 or so indistinguishable lanyard liberal centrists, Bernie, and Marianne Marianne could beat Trump
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Everybody is excessively mad about everything because we live in Trumpworld. The crystal rubbing anti-vaxxer isn't going to have any effect on the Democratic primary though. WampaLord posted:I don't know how "back" I am, but I appreciate it. I feel like the left is split 2 ways (Sanders vs. Warren), and the centrist/establishment/[insert epithet here] side is potentially split like 6+ ways or some poo poo. Biden's support is a mile wide but an inch deep, because there are plenty of other people equally acceptable to the middle of the roaders everyone here wants to go away. (I also want the centrist Dems to just go away at this point.) I don't know if it's going to turn out WELL, but this definitely isn't a replay of 2015-16 for the Democrats. sean10mm fucked around with this message at 16:05 on Jun 28, 2019 |
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She's no worse than any of the the other warmongering imperialist mass incarcerating corporate candidates who responses to our species looming extinction amount to do nothing (so anyone not named Bernie p. much). In fact better than them despite being a nutso grifter.
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VH4Ever posted:Look who's back after all. Yeah, I hate fun when little kids are rotting and dying in concentration camps. I really do. loving sue me. If we all get serious right now maybe they'll move up the election from being 16 months away!
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Lightning Knight posted:I think they deleted the tweet now but they posted a picture of them hanging out with some Tulsi staffers with strong “we’re going to go to the hotel room and drink now” energy.
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