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Who do you wish to win the Democratic primaries?
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Joe Biden, the Inappropriate Toucher 18 1.46%
Bernie Sanders, the Hand Flailer 665 54.11%
Elizabeth Warren, the Plan Maker 319 25.96%
Kamala Harris, the Cop Lord 26 2.12%
Cory Booker, the Super Hero Wannabe 5 0.41%
Julian Castro, the Twin 5 0.41%
Kirsten Gillibrand, the Franken Killer 5 0.41%
Pete Buttigieg, the Troop Sociopath 17 1.38%
Robert Francis O'Rourke, the Fake Latino 3 0.24%
Jay Inslee, the Climate Alarmist 8 0.65%
Marianne Williamson, the Crystal Queen 86 7.00%
Tulsi Gabbard, the Muslim Hater 23 1.87%
Andrew Yang, the $1000 Fool 32 2.60%
Eric Swalwell, the Insurance Wife Guy 2 0.16%
Amy Klobuchar, the Comb Enthusiast 1 0.08%
Bill de Blasio, the NYPD Most Hated 4 0.33%
Tim Ryan, the Dope Face 3 0.24%
John Hickenlooper, the Also Ran 7 0.57%
Total: 1229 votes
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FlamingLiberal
Jan 18, 2009

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Raskolnikov38 posted:

lmao Harris already walked back her support for abolishing private insurance again
Some pharma lobbyist began to lower her big fat check from them into a shredder off camera

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FlamingLiberal
Jan 18, 2009

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I expect if Harris is the nominee that she will shift to the right more than a lot of other candidates might

FlamingLiberal
Jan 18, 2009

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I know some people had already bailed from the Biden campaign before this debate, but I’ll be interested to see if any more leave now

FlamingLiberal
Jan 18, 2009

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This guy has never met a camera he didn’t like

Between this and his total disaster of a town meeting after the SBPD shot that one guy you can really see what kind of person Mayor Butt really is

FlamingLiberal
Jan 18, 2009

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Feldegast42 posted:

Do we have any real confirmation that Biden is dropping in the polls other than the one teasing tweet shook Nate sent out? I'm not really convinced it's done anything yet...
He has been gradually slipping since he declared, but I expect to see more of an accurate gauge of how the debate affected him next week

FlamingLiberal
Jan 18, 2009

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lol why were we worried about Biden again

FlamingLiberal
Jan 18, 2009

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mcmagic posted:

Bernie is in some trouble.
It’s one poll.

FlamingLiberal
Jan 18, 2009

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I remember when Obama was open to a public option

FlamingLiberal
Jan 18, 2009

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After the next debate I expect polls to tighten more and at least a few of those candidates polling within the margin of error to drop out

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Jan 18, 2009

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Pembroke Fuse posted:

Hey, at this point, every Dem candidate may as well go as far left as they can... because if Biden is a socialist, so is Ben Shapiro.
They tried the same attack on Obama and it failed because he at least said he was going to do things differently.

The BEST I have seen Biden trot out is that he will bring things back to the Obama era which is not good enough.

FlamingLiberal
Jan 18, 2009

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I completely missed that the other day Biden said he would bring back the individual mandate if elected, which is literally the least popular part of Obamacare and the part that was put in to give insurance companies something to get onboard with the bill

FlamingLiberal
Jan 18, 2009

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I have not really heard about a death spiral. Costs never stopped rising for healthcare overall, they just stopped rising as fast

FlamingLiberal
Jan 18, 2009

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twodot posted:

The theory goes, if insurers aren't allowed to charge extra or deny coverage to people with pre-existing conditions, then people will simply refuse to have health insurance until they are aware that there is an expensive bill coming, where they will then immediately apply for insurance the day before, and stick the insurer with large bills while paying small premiums. If that were to happen then the business of health insurance becomes pure risk for insurers, and they would just decline to offer insurance since there is no premiums they could set that would offset their costs, therefore we need an individual mandate that makes sure that people don't wait until they know that there's an upcoming large bill to get insurance, and that makes the insurance industry happy. In practice, all of that appears to have been just made up theory crafting (except for the part where insurance companies love to be gifted a captive audience by the federal government, that part is definitely true).
I'm aware of the theory, but like you said it has not happened in practice and I think it would have by now since I think it's been at least a year since Trump effectively killed it by setting the penalty to $0.

FlamingLiberal
Jan 18, 2009

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Gyges posted:

Wasn't he the last person to declare?

I could be thinking of one of the other 30 indistinguishable white guys though.
One of the last. DeBlasio was a late one and now we have Steyer getting in

FlamingLiberal
Jan 18, 2009

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I’m pretty sure Deion owned a failed charter school that was a huge disaster

FlamingLiberal
Jan 18, 2009

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https://twitter.com/markzbarabak/status/1148262537252757506?s=21

FlamingLiberal
Jan 18, 2009

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Good news guys, the best candidate of them all has wandered in!

https://twitter.com/tomsteyer/status/1148579342680637440?s=21

FlamingLiberal
Jan 18, 2009

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Main Paineframe posted:

The raw numbers are even funnier.
  • Total sample, 1500 people.
  • 70%, or 1050 people, were registered voters.
  • Those 1050 people were asked if they voted in the 2016 primaries.
  • 36% of them said they voted in the Dem primary. Those 378 people were asked who they voted for in the 2016 Dem primary
  • 30% of them, or 113 people, said they voted for Sanders
A poll cherry picked to make Sanders look bad? Well I never.

FlamingLiberal
Jan 18, 2009

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It’s so nice that Tom Steyer is going to drop like $100 mil on his no-chance campaign when that money could flip the Senate

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Jan 18, 2009

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Ytlaya posted:

The kind of annoying thing about this topic is that the source of what Sanders distaste exists among minorities and women (which isn't exactly much, but I guess technically exists with a subset) is the way the media portrays him; many people (somewhat understandably) take the view that it makes sense to assume that accusations of someone being bigoted should be assumed to be true by default, and there isn't really any way to address that which won't come off as condescending (since people usually aren't going to respond well to "your perception has been manipulated by others in a way that is causing you to act against your own interests").

The option I usually go with is to just not engage, unless the person in question is stating something that is demonstrably false. There isn't really any way to get through to that sort of person - to them, any attempt to contest their claims will be perceived as a "thou doth protest too much" sort of situation. Fortunately, however, "minorities and women being against Sanders" isn't a significant issue (the only demographics consistently opposed to Bernie are the wealthy and older people).
They’ve done the same thing to Jeremy Corbyn in the UK despite him being the most harmless guy on Earth. They tried to label him as a misogynist but that failed, so they tried to label him and his allies as anti-Semitic since they support a free Palestine and that was much more effective.

In my experience the majority of the Sanders hate comes from the #resistance types who are still convinced that somehow Bernie’s attacks on Hillary cost her the election.

FlamingLiberal
Jan 18, 2009

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joepinetree posted:

https://mobile.twitter.com/DavidKlion/status/1149005809956859904

All the worst people are very clear that Bernie is the only threat to them and yet it's an excuse to say Warren is not as good as Bernie.
Yes his enemies are all the worst people, which are the kinds of enemies you want to have

Haim Saban is the guy who said that Keith Ellison was an anti-Semite during the DNC Chair campaign because he is Muslim and supports Palestinian rights

FlamingLiberal
Jan 18, 2009

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Biden that low in Iowa is not good for him

FlamingLiberal
Jan 18, 2009

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I guess it didn’t work out so well for Jared Fogle

FlamingLiberal
Jan 18, 2009

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Easier to say that Biden just wants to bolster the ACA and nothing further

FlamingLiberal
Jan 18, 2009

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I’m not. Before he declared he had no staff or campaign infrastructure somehow, despite the fact that he had been planning to run since like 2016. So I have to think that most of his money went to just hiring people

FlamingLiberal
Jan 18, 2009

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mcmagic posted:

Who the hell is throwing all this money away on Buttigieg?
Some of the richer donors like him

FlamingLiberal
Jan 18, 2009

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Sounds about right

FlamingLiberal
Jan 18, 2009

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Isn’t Delaney the one who is just self-funding his entire campaign

If I am a staffer I cash that loving check and keep my mouth shut if he wants to throw his money away

FlamingLiberal
Jan 18, 2009

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God, on top of everything else, Trump winning has made all of the dumb rich people think they can now be president

Howard Schultz is still worse than Steyer by a mile though, as Steyer at least funds Dem Congressional races

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Jan 18, 2009

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BENGHAZI 2 posted:

his campaign promises are loving awful though
It's pretty amazing that in a primary, which is the time to go further 'out there' on campaign promises, he's already been pulling everything to the right

He's wanting to go back to 2016 before Trump, which is absolutely not possible, and he's nothing like Obama.

FlamingLiberal
Jan 18, 2009

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Oh thanks Biden, were you asleep during the 2016 election when the party tried to make Trump’s unfitness for office the main point and lost?

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Jan 18, 2009

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https://twitter.com/hickenlooper/status/1154530463769419778?s=21

The dark one is gaining momentum!

(He’s polling inside the MOE)

FlamingLiberal
Jan 18, 2009

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Gripweed posted:

charging over a hundred dollars for a ticket to see a podcast taping is pretty bad.
Especially when their podcast sucks

Pretty sure the Chapo shows are like $10-25

FlamingLiberal
Jan 18, 2009

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VitalSigns posted:

The fact that as a politician you can grift money from rich idiots isn't an excuse for pricing poor people out of your events in order to carry out said grift.
I mean PSA is basically the official podcast of rich elite liberals

FlamingLiberal
Jan 18, 2009

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Biden's going to keep falling. He's down more than 10% nationally from where he was when he declared.

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Jan 18, 2009

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Berke Negri posted:

he's got a lot of name recognition and sort of an incumbent advantage

that lead has been steadily dropping though
Yes and during the next debate it’s probably going to drop more since he will be piled on again

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Jan 18, 2009

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Lightning Knight posted:

I actually don’t agree with this, I think people will set their expectations low and he’ll skate by. We’ve seen this in the past with people like Romney and Trump who got free rides in their later debates because people no longer expected much of them.
It’s incredibly early though, this is only the 2nd debate. The field is also enormous so there is a high probability that candidates will go after who is currently leading (Biden) to get attention.

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Jan 18, 2009

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A big flaming stink posted:

have you considered the fact that biden is so loving stupid that he decided to defend his record on busing even when given an out by his opponent in 20 goddamn 19

the dude is going to find the one argument that will somehow alienate every single member of the entire political spectrum and then rant endlessly about it.

Like, say: "The president is a dirty draft dodger so we should reintroduce the draft so that young american men can learn some civic pride!"
I mean Beto a month ago decided that it would be an awesome idea to institute a ‘war tax’ that everyone would pay except THE TROOPS so you never know

FlamingLiberal
Jan 18, 2009

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Congrats to Kamala to coming up with an even more insane program than Beto's 'war tax'

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Jan 18, 2009

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Halloween Jack posted:

Speaking of which, when will Democrats learn that lame sops to The Troops is a complete no go for them?
When we’re all dead

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