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| Joe Biden, the Inappropriate Toucher |
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18 | 1.46% |
| Bernie Sanders, the Hand Flailer |
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665 | 54.11% |
| Elizabeth Warren, the Plan Maker |
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319 | 25.96% |
| Kamala Harris, the Cop Lord |
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26 | 2.12% |
| Cory Booker, the Super Hero Wannabe |
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5 | 0.41% |
| Julian Castro, the Twin |
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5 | 0.41% |
| Kirsten Gillibrand, the Franken Killer |
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5 | 0.41% |
| Pete Buttigieg, the Troop Sociopath |
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17 | 1.38% |
| Robert Francis O'Rourke, the Fake Latino |
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3 | 0.24% |
| Jay Inslee, the Climate Alarmist |
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8 | 0.65% |
| Marianne Williamson, the Crystal Queen |
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86 | 7.00% |
| Tulsi Gabbard, the Muslim Hater |
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23 | 1.87% |
| Andrew Yang, the $1000 Fool |
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32 | 2.60% |
| Eric Swalwell, the Insurance Wife Guy |
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2 | 0.16% |
| Amy Klobuchar, the Comb Enthusiast |
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1 | 0.08% |
| Bill de Blasio, the NYPD Most Hated |
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4 | 0.33% |
| Tim Ryan, the Dope Face |
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3 | 0.24% |
| John Hickenlooper, the Also Ran |
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7 | 0.57% |
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Hyrax Attack! posted:I’m 100% in favor of Canada style healthcare for all America, but isn’t it a moot point in America unless the Democrats have 60 senators? Filibuster can be nuked with 51 votes, that's why Gorsuch and Kavanaugh are on the Supreme Court
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Jun 28, 2019 14:18
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Trabisnikof posted:And none of these are really new ideas, so again if this is the lethal poison to Republicans, imagine how stupid Obama is to have not done it. Uh, yes? If Democrats had banned gerrymandering in sometime between Jan 2009 and November 2010, REDMAP wouldn't have been possible and they would have taken back the House in 2012
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Jun 28, 2019 19:04
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LionArcher posted:So I’ve been in the past threads as not loving Bernie. I’ll start by stating I was wrong about the book thing, and for that I apologize. I read a couple of hot takes on twitter and didn’t do research before bringing it here. Somebody asked me why I don’t like him, and last night I think it was covered perfectly. His policy’s are all things I generally agree with (minus that judge flub). But his delivery method bugs me. He yells too much, and just seems too old. Contrast that with Warren, who I like a great deal. Have you critically scrutinized your assumption that being high school debate club champion is synonymous with "electable"?
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Jun 28, 2019 19:14
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Skex posted:I know that it's going to shock you, but I totally agree, not making election reform and security a priority the second the Democrats retook control of the government was the biggest mistake they made. That does shock me, but hey, cool!
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Jun 28, 2019 19:19
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sean10mm posted:Being as gullible as possible about a magic crystal anti-vax woo-woo scammer is the new woke lmao I'm voting for Marianne because of this post
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Jun 28, 2019 19:26
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Typo posted:I'm voting for Marianne because of this post If your post inspires two more people, and their posts each inspire two more people...
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Jun 28, 2019 19:35
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I feel like Williamson confuses people the same way Gabbard does. Legitimately better than 95% of Democratic politicians, yet still utterly horrible. But a ton of people hear someone say the first, and immediately jump to the conclusion that this is the same as saying she's good, because the alternative would be to face the fact that the party is mostly a pack of greedy evil opportunists lusting for foreign blood.
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Jun 28, 2019 19:42
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LionArcher posted:Yes. I think a lot of what makes someone electable is how good they are at stump speeches rallies and so on. OK how do you think the President would score in formal debate team high competition. If your answer is "bad" then it's clearly not the same set of skills as stump speeches and rallies.
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Jun 28, 2019 19:43
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selec posted:Disagree. I am personally pro-mandatory, but I see being anti vax as being about science and the other question about policy around the science. The science is that mandatory vaccination is imperative to protect public health. Being against mandatory vaccination is being against the science, it's the same anti-science position as Jill Stein.
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Jun 28, 2019 20:23
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Condiv posted:this is true. the thing that confuses me about this hyperventilation about her anti-vaxx positions is the lack of hyperventilating about other positions that are dangerous here and now, not just hypothetically dangerous. I guess because the mainstream candidates support hideous, awful policies that are mainstream, they shouldn't be worried about as much as a kook that probably thinks she can send hordes of angels into her bloodstream to fight off measels it's the same thing as Gravel being a 9/11 Truther totally discrediting him because his Truther conspiracy is anti- endless war and military industrial complex. But Tim Ryan can be a Truther congressman with a place at the debates while still thinking the Taliban did 9/11 because his Truther conspiracy is flattering to neocon Democrats and the military industrial complex.
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Jun 28, 2019 20:26
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theblackw0lf posted:Interestingly while Harrs's approval went up considerably, her disapproval went up slightly. That's to be expected as some people with no opinion form opinions after seeing the debate, some of those opinions are going to be bad. Most candidates had favorability and unfavorability go up a bit, as long as the former goes up more than the latter it's good for you. Obviously the ideal is to do so good that it converts people who don't like you, but hey
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Jun 28, 2019 20:51
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Groovelord Neato posted:angels are monstrous beings that had to say "be not afraid" whenever they appeared to humans so they wouldn't poo poo their pants. If those creatures showed up on every battlefield, yeah I don't think any of the humans there would be able to imagine continuing the fight
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Jun 28, 2019 21:30
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PerniciousKnid posted:On issues like social justice or foreign policy, there are powerful stakeholders on the "wrong" side, and it's inevitable that most candidates will feel that they need to engage with at least some of these in order to build a winning coalition. Oh ok so if she were doing it for money and endorsements being antivax would be smart
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Jun 29, 2019 14:06
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Endorph posted:yes you're right nobody in this thread is criticizing biden or harris She is one of the better candidate, and that's not a compliment. VitalSigns posted:I feel like Williamson confuses people the same way Gabbard does.
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Jun 29, 2019 14:15
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HootTheOwl posted:And you shouted them all down and they've left. That's how a forum works. Warren or Harris will make the news again and you'll shout down their supporters again and the thread will be in agreement again. Lol forever at people who can't defend their ideas in a discussion forum complaining that others are allowed to disagree with them
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Jun 29, 2019 15:07
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Koalas March posted:Why Wasn't she the only candidate to explicitly say we need reparations for slavery last night.
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Jun 29, 2019 15:10
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Punk da Bundo posted:I live in Dearborn , you’re an idiot . And if Bernie isn’t the nominee , I will just write in Marianne as a protest vote . Real simple . Wait what, if Marianne is the nominee you'll write her in? Why wouldn't you just vote for the nominee then
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Jun 29, 2019 15:24
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Gyges posted:Very brave, I don't think I'd bet on even a negative probability event with a genital tat on the line. What is a negative probability event Ogmius815 posted:Guys Marianne Williamson is not going to be the democratic nominee. Do I get to choose the body part as well as the tattoo
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Jun 29, 2019 23:43
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If Marianne Williamson is the democratic nominee, I will get a tattoo of VitalSign’s choice on a part of my body ordinarily covered by clothing.
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Z. Autobahn posted:Pretty sure Judakel, Phi, and Punk da Bundo would all agree with that statement? "Warren is as bad as Trump" is an insane statement, they only agree on the desirability of one genocide
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Jun 30, 2019 01:58
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Craptacular! posted:There’s a non-zero chance you come out of this with a new life as a Roger Stone cosplayer. Godspeed, sir. That's an interesting idea. I'm also considering Marianne, half-transformed into a being of light, ascending out of the USS Enterprise-D. Ogmius815 posted:
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Jun 30, 2019 04:26
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Craptacular! posted:Also they need to have perfect histories on an array of social justice matters or else random minority Foo will fail to vote and Trump will win again. Well, yes? Building a coalition is critical, we saw what happens when the campaign strategy is to promise as little as possible to just barely win, because the assumption is Trump will certainly lose. If we want to win, telling voting blocs to gently caress off and "we don't need your votes" seems like a bad idea!
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Jun 30, 2019 04:35
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Craptacular! posted:The counterpoint to this is that Bernie’s 2016 campaign did not hit all the perfect notes on race and it probably still would have won. Considering Harris's lackluster polling numbers among POC, it seems the white dude hilariously out of touch with minorities is you ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
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Jun 30, 2019 07:44
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"Electability" as is commonly used is completely meaningless and just a euphemism for "politician who makes me feel good". Hillary Clinton was the second most unpopular major party candidate ever nominated in US history, and somehow lost to the most unpopular because her campaign was an incompetent and hypercorrupt clusterfuck, nevertheless she was ""electable" because supporting her makes me feel smart and sophisticated.
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Jun 30, 2019 17:23
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Anyone "remotely" electable would have blown the most unpopular candidate in American history out of the water. Nearly any other democraat would have won handily because there would have been no national security scandal for the FBI to reopen right before the election. The way Ogmius uses "electable" is completely meaningless, if the definition of "electable" includes literally almost every Democrat then the concept is obviously completely useless as a guide to choosing which Democrat is the best nominee
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Jun 30, 2019 21:18
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Well Bernie Sanders sounds pretty different so maybe it's possible to sound different after all, and the idea that every politician is psychically compelled to parrot MIC war propaganda is absurd
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Jun 30, 2019 21:38
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LinYutang posted:
Lol an unironic "Bernie is ahead, this is bad news...for Bernie!"
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Jun 30, 2019 23:04
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Z. Autobahn posted:
Those polls don't indicate what he is implying they do. Maybe he even knows that since he refuses to state outright what he thinks those polls indicate
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Jul 1, 2019 00:36
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Willa Rogers posted:aka campaigning for other candidates, you dolt. I remember in 2016 the Hillary crew's line was that she would fight and campaign for the Democratic downballot, while Bernie (who is not even a Democrat) would throw them to the wolves because his campaign was all about him. And then not only did it turn out Hillary was siphoning funds and campaign contributions from the downballot into her Victory Fund (lol), but when Bernie turned out to actually be what they claimed Hillary was they hated it and now campaigning for the downballot is narcissistic and bad.
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Jul 1, 2019 12:08
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guestimate posted:There is no way Kamala beats Trump in 2020. Just no way, barring Trump OBVIOUSLY making GBS threads his pants during a town hall debate and tracking it all over the stage in a double figure eight pattern. he would still win handily
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Jul 2, 2019 04:08
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enraged_camel posted:So the argument is that she cannot be trusted because she wasn't balls-to-the-wall about M4A from the beginning? Correct. Also she doesn't support it now.
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Jul 2, 2019 04:13
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LinYutang posted:Speaking of structural change: Warren has strongly come out in favor of abolishing the electoral college. Bernie has not. Amusing how people pretend Bernie's ideas are politically impossible pie-in-the-sky and then turn around and praise something that can't happen without 2/3 of both houses of congress plus 3/4 of the states at the same time that we've all acknowledged we can't get 60 Senate votes for anything. "But but the popular vote interstate compact--" doesn't work unless you get a majority of electoral votes and aint no Republican-controlled chamber going to vote away an advantage that paid off for them twice in 16 years. So how many Democratic trifectas do you have in state governments, whoops not enough. And unlike an amendment states can withdraw so not only do Democrats need complete control of 270 EV worth of state governments they have to hold that forever. enraged_camel posted:She doesn't? Yeah I don't take her contradicting herself at a debate seriously, where's her healthcare plan, it's not in her website, she hasn't announced it like she's announced her other plans. Candidates say poo poo they don't mean at debates all the time.
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Jul 2, 2019 04:40
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enraged_camel posted:I mean I find it difficult to trust someone who genuinely believes that a tax on stock and bond trades is a good idea. Why isn't it a good idea
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Jul 2, 2019 04:44
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enraged_camel posted:I find it difficult to fault someone for listening to what the public wants. Well yeah if you just assume that's what happened then sure. And if I just assume someone wouldn't offer to sell me the Brooklyn Bridge unless it's his to sell than I'd find it difficult to fault such a generous offer too. The public supported Medicare For All a year ago too, why weren't they listening then? Maybe all the flipfloppers were coincidentally all visited by the Ghost of Christmas Future right when they needed a polling bump and their hearts all grew three sizes, that's certainly possible. But it's a lot more likely that politicians who change their tune when they want to get elected aren't saying what they believe, they're just saying what they think voters want to hear.
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Jul 2, 2019 04:55
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joepinetree posted:. Hell, in today's HarrisX poll Warren managed to get 1% of African American voters and 8% of Latinos, versus 8 and 26 for Bernie, respectively. Interesting how Warren's "problem" with PoC is so rarely brought up
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Jul 2, 2019 04:58
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Slavery is a mutually beneficial arrangement, because slaveowners would rather get free labor than have to murder all their recalcitrant slaves, and the slaves would rather work then get murdered. Everybody wins. I am smart.
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Jul 2, 2019 11:53
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oxsnard posted:That was never a forgone conclusion. Bahaha Of course it was they own both parties
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Jul 2, 2019 12:03
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oxsnard posted:Hmmmm yes I suppose the CEOs of all the companies not in finance that went bankrupt or lost billions said "we shall let this happen as it is in the benefit of us capitalists for the long term" CEOs don't care if their companies lose billions, they often do it on purpose because firing people, destroying the business, and looting the remains increases their personal wealth and power faster than running a successful firm. Billionaires made bank off the recession buying everyone's depressed assets
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Jul 2, 2019 12:07
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CelestialScribe posted:Lol omg. https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2018/07/toys-r-us-bankruptcy-private-equity/561758/ quote:Less attention was paid to the albatross that Bain, KKR, and Vornado had placed around the company’s neck. Toys “R” Us had a debt load of $1.86 billion before it was bought out. Immediately after the deal, it shouldered more than $5 billion in debt. And though sales had slumped before the deal, they held relatively steady after it, even when the Great Recession hit. The company generated $11.2 billion in sales in the 12 months before the deal; in the 12 months before November 2017, it generated $11.1 billion.
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Jul 2, 2019 12:21
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The US is a plutocracy where capitalists dictate government policy regardless of popular will or the outcomes of elections. It's obviously stupid to argue that capitalists want single payer because of the demonstrable savings it offers to all their businesses, but somehow they're frustrated by the political system they control. If 99% of capitalists really cared more about saving money for their businesses at the expense of other capitalists than they do about their class interests we'd have had single payer 50 years ago.
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Jul 2, 2019 12:33
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poo poo, I wish capitalists cared about their personal wellbeing instead of their class interests, if that were the case we wouldn't be accelerating this train towards climate apocalypse
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Jul 2, 2019 12:36
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