Agent Burt Macklin posted:

This is so great. Laura Dern is incredible right now on Big Little Lies, and there is this whole subplot about her melting down about her seven-year-old melting down about climate change.

Cerebral Bore posted:

Unless you've literally been in a coma for the past four years this debate won't be your first impression of Bernie Sanders, so I dunno what the hell you're on about.

WampaLord posted:

You're making me agree with Mellow Seas, that's how much of a downer you're being.

RuanGacho posted:

It's a very weird feeling to me to consider the debates where we have to listen to hot takes about whats wrong and right in what is said from literally everyone who has no business telling the left what to think.

LinYutang posted:

It's not. Until you take it in the context of Bernie's 2016 campaign, in which he wasn't running a serious operation for most of it and was getting better results than four years of campaigning later.

Marxalot posted:

I love how all these polls swing by about 10% depending on who runs it

Marxalot posted:

That nerds shouldn't pay too much attention to this garbage whether it means the news happens to be good or bad for Your Guy(or Gal) that particular day. It's only useful for trying to make weak dunks online.

Heavy neutrino posted:

???? It's definitely not what you think it means.

It's on a normal distribution, meaning the -5 and +5 lie at the edges of the 95% confidence interval. They should be vanishingly rare compared to smaller misses like +/- 1.3%

VitalSigns posted:

If all those businesses who stand to benefit from M4A supported M4A now and were being thwarted by the power of the healthcare lobby that would explain it, but businesses manifestly do not support M4A even though it would benefit the company's bottom line. So again why haven't they figured out what oxnard has figured out? Are they just bad at making money?

Gripweed posted:

There's no way. Either Bernie will have won and Mayor Pete style robots will no longer be leaders in the Democrat party, Trump will have won and there will no longer even be the illusion of free elections in a bunch of states so who cares, or Harris will have won, served one term, and been replaced by a King/Crenshaw ticket after which elections are formally canceled

VitalSigns posted:

I want Bernie to win, but look at this poll, let's all give up and agree Biden is the nominee. I really want Bernie to win though, as a Bernie supporter, let's all give up ok.

Willie Tomg posted:

Trump was polling at 1% by this time in 2015 for gently caress's sake.

sexpig by night posted:

every time I think you're a one note poster you come back with gold.

BENGHAZI 2 posted:

The thing about saying ten percent reduction and an extra five percent in your pocket and so on is they sound great until you look at what those numbers mean and you realize that people still have loving jackshit and are still starving because when you're making 7.25 an hour an extra five percent is loving nothing

MSDOS KAPITAL posted:

Well good to know that if all her proposals _{that's she's definitely going to weasel out of after the primary} are enacted in total and to the letter then we will mitigate some of the damage inflicted on the working class over the last forty years. Not reverse it, I mean we're not doing speeches about democratic socialism over here that would be laughable - just stop it right where it is now and preserve the status quo which totally doesn't suck rear end for 99% of the country.

Here's why even the friendliest liberal is a piece of poo poo, Mellow Seas: y'all are so absolutely loving terrified of going over some imaginary line that the Republicans drew for you, in using government power granted to you by the people to make their lives better, that you will never do enough. It is inconceivable to a contemporary American liberal that they could use that power to solve some loving problems. Like really loving solve them so they go away. Paper over them, sure, but actually solving problems is not on the table because that would require first admitting that something is fundamentally broken somewhere, and that judicious use of power is Good, and liberals just don't have that in them. If the Democratic establishment that you love accidentally did a thing that truly helped even 1% of the population (well, not that 1%, some other 1%), they would self-flagellate nearly to extinction in penance for their egregious and unwarranted overreach. At best, you can be dragged along by the left because some of our actual priorities are priorities you also claim to have. That is the full extent of your worth as an ally.

Ultimately, political parties and representation in them should be bucketed according to political ideology. However, under such a regime you would have no representation, because you have no ideology. So instead we have this poo poo where the party is full of idiots like yourself who hem and haw about the details and yet somehow nothing ever gets loving done.

Even on her best day Warren will get no farther than libertarian paternalism, Mellow Seas, and that's just so much reheated poo poo.

twodot posted:

So your problem here is you fell for a lie, and other people, not falling for the lie, said "Hey this is some bullshit" before the lie was carefully explained to you by another poster? Like that other poster was not doing original research or investigative journalism, they just read the policy and then quoted words other people wrote here.

Mellow Seas posted:

I don’t know what the policy is, and it all depends on that, but that’s a worthwhile goal. I agree that in a campaign context it sounds tiny and unimpressive. “Stop the explosion in the cost of housing” would sound a lot better, even if 10% is technically 10% better.

RuanGacho posted:

Mellow Seas strikes me not as a liberal but apparently representative of the general public more than the typical left leaning poster here.

Which is troubling in its own way but not some sort of apostasy.

Theyre going to skim the Warren plan and come to the same conclusions.

...and then wonder loudly wtf why are we never satisfied.

twodot posted:

Uh, yeah, if you read a headline and your reaction is "I have no idea what it means, but it is good, I will read the substance later", then you have fallen for a lie. They are on purpose exploiting a cognitive bias to create sticky impressions before you get a chance to do a real evaluation, and you have fallen for it.

twodot posted:

Yet you are still here complaining that other people were correct earlier than you. It had no effect on you whatsoever, you just independently felt compelled to first defend it as a worthwhile goal despite openly acknowledging you know nothing about it, and are now continuing to defend the fact you were wrong during a time when other people were right. No effect at all. Impressions aren't sticky, no sir.

Marxalot posted:

That's kind of shocking. Aren't those the pod save america weirds?

VitalSigns posted:

Should being in the US without documents be prosecuted as a civil offense, Mellow Seas?

Cerebral Bore posted:

You do know that this is the laziest and most cowardly way of trying to get people to agree with you, right?

Gripweed posted: