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Who do you wish to win the Democratic primaries?
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Joe Biden, the Inappropriate Toucher 18 1.46%
Bernie Sanders, the Hand Flailer 665 54.11%
Elizabeth Warren, the Plan Maker 319 25.96%
Kamala Harris, the Cop Lord 26 2.12%
Cory Booker, the Super Hero Wannabe 5 0.41%
Julian Castro, the Twin 5 0.41%
Kirsten Gillibrand, the Franken Killer 5 0.41%
Pete Buttigieg, the Troop Sociopath 17 1.38%
Robert Francis O'Rourke, the Fake Latino 3 0.24%
Jay Inslee, the Climate Alarmist 8 0.65%
Marianne Williamson, the Crystal Queen 86 7.00%
Tulsi Gabbard, the Muslim Hater 23 1.87%
Andrew Yang, the $1000 Fool 32 2.60%
Eric Swalwell, the Insurance Wife Guy 2 0.16%
Amy Klobuchar, the Comb Enthusiast 1 0.08%
Bill de Blasio, the NYPD Most Hated 4 0.33%
Tim Ryan, the Dope Face 3 0.24%
John Hickenlooper, the Also Ran 7 0.57%
Total: 1229 votes
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Gripweed
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When should we expect the first post-debate polls?

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Democrazy posted:

Despite having never given any money to a candidate before this cycle, today is payday, and I kinda wanna give to Marianne Williamson.

I just want to see how far we can take this.

The second debate is going to have fewer people on stage at a time, so that means they'll all get more time to talk. I really want to see a debate where Marianne gets more time to talk and the moderators give the other candidates follow up questions based on what she said

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https://twitter.com/BoxrecGrey/status/1144495391221485568

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https://twitter.com/corbin_dewitt/status/1144448430376275968

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https://twitter.com/AJaramaz/status/1144457840322437120

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You know what else is closed on federal holidays? schools. Making election day a holiday would be great for college students and high school students old enough to vote

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I don't agree with a lot of Williamson's policies, but I'm supporting her because she's the most electable candidate

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https://twitter.com/marwilliamson/status/1144676557291687936

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TulliusCicero posted:

She's also Dianne Chambers but real, but go off man

Even here we aren't free from the Harry Potter comparisons

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Lightning Knight posted:

I respect this gimmick, you can be the Marianne stan itt.

What's wrong in that post?

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Lightning Knight posted:

I didn’t say it was wrong, did I?

How is it a gimmick then? It's just an accurate statement

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Punk da Bundo posted:

how could anybody not like mike gravel , the anti imperialist candidate . You guys want everything to be like the West Wing . Lmao

Because the Gravel campaign was nothing more than two teens tweeting under the name of a retired politician in an attempt to get on their favorite podcast.

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https://twitter.com/DonWinslow01/status/1144747800275632129

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I think there's a miscommunication going on. I really doubt that anybody here is actually going to vote for Williamson in the primary. We're all Bernie voters or Warren nerds.

But, a lot of people still appreciate Williamson as a presence in the debate. We can talk about how she has good individual policies, and others can counter with her bad policies, and so on, but I don't think that's what's really motivating people to like her. I think the reason people like her is that not only does she come across as a genuinely good person on stage next to the usual gaggle of loving robots, but she actually talks about emotions. For far too long, Democrats have treated politics like some miserable debate for nerds where they all compete to to be the most bi-partisanly reasonable. So when a woman who seems like she actually cares about things is on stage next to goddamn Buttigieg and starts talking about how Trump has gotten into all of our brains and made us feel worse, gently caress yeah we like her! We want her to stay on that stage, to keep addressing the actual psychic damage done by the Trump administration.

You guys can be like "oh, look at her trade policy proposal, it doesn't address the blugdbb..." all you want, Williamson is actually talking about the daily mental assault that living under the Trump administration is. That's why we like her.

I'm not going to vote for her, but I like her and I want her to stay on that debate stage long after Delany and Beto and Tim.... I wanna say Reynolds? are gone.

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It's also important to remember that the Democrat primary has always involved forgiving horrible monstrous politicians their many crimes just because they're better than the Republican opponent.

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https://twitter.com/BernieSanders/status/1145013425057280000

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How can all the sub 1% candidates justify staying in? It's one thing for Marianne or Yang, where they genuinely have something different to say. But Delaney? Bennet? They have nothing to offer to anyone.

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If the DNC was smart, which they aren't, they would encourage everyone to stay in as long as possible. If there's 20 fuckers on the stage and Bernie only gets to talk in 30 second increments, that really fucks him over.

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https://twitter.com/virgiltexas/status/1145867828731490304

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oxsnard posted:

Yeah this is a dumb argument. The gently caress Trump enthusiasm alone can (and will imo) push this to a victory.

How confident are you of that? As confident as you were that Hillary was going to win in 2016

blackmet posted:

Bernie is chicken noodle soup that has to be used TODAY or it will expire.

Bernie is the guy who thinks I should be able to go to the doctor.

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enraged_camel posted:

Didn't she raise her hand when asked if she would be open to banning for-profit insurance companies?

Yes. She has said that she's open to it before. She's also said she's open to other things, like a public option or lowering the Medicare age

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Employers would pay less for their employees healthcare under a single payer system, that's absolutely true. However, there would be other less tangible costs for employers. The biggest one being that employees would have more freedom to leave their jobs. Under the current system if you have good healthcare through your job, that's a massive incentive to stay in your job, no matter how miserable it is or how much you might want to do something else. If we moved to a single payer system, that incentive would be gone.

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guestimate posted:

Because I so fervently want Bernie to win
I wish that he would have not tried to do everything at once.
*Healthcare for all
*Attacking income inequality, all that entails
*Real efforts to lessen climate change

That would be enough, herculean in fact.

Adding free college scares the gently caress out of boomers because it sounds like socialism and everyone will wonder how the gently caress it is even possible. I wish SO badly
he would focus on just a few issues and tone down the revolution talk so HE COULD GET ELECTED.

In what world would it make him more electable if he had a worse platform of policies? There's 20 drat people on stage, how would he stand out if he only wanted half the stuff he wants now?

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You don't win elections with timidity and compromise

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please don't

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Here's a big thread about why Buttigieg is bad, mostly stuff we knew about him doing everything he can to protect a racist, murderous police department. But this one was a surprise

https://twitter.com/niktaylorde/status/1145726512714387456

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If Bernie dropped out all establishment support for Warren would instantly vanish

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oxsnard posted:

Harris winning would be only tolerable because of how upset the Nazis will be about a black woman being president

*hate crimes go up by 1000%* "heh, triggered?"

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Skippy McPants posted:

What's really gonna suck is when he comes back 4-12 years down the line and runs as a serious contender.

There's no way. Either Bernie will have won and Mayor Pete style robots will no longer be leaders in the Democrat party, Trump will have won and there will no longer even be the illusion of free elections in a bunch of states so who cares, or Harris will have won, served one term, and been replaced by a King/Crenshaw ticket after which elections are formally canceled

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Edgar Allan Pwned posted:

when will we see more people drop out?

has anyone dropped out yet?

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strong Kasichmentum at the end tho

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Ytlaya posted:

Not really? Neither Yang nor Marianne have a message that is particularly threatening, while being directly and strongly opposed to imperialism is harder to deal with.

There's also an easier excuse to refuse Gravel (explicitly not being "serious").

Gravel's message isn't about imperialism, the Gravel campaign's message is these two teens really want to go on Chapo

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A big flaming stink posted:

you're a really lovely bernie supporter TBH. sure you wouldn't be more at home as a warren stan? She really likes american imperialism too.

I am sorry that I am not an enthusiastic fan of the epic Twitter account you follow.

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Luckyellow posted:

One thing that I quite don't understand. I keep hearing that all of the other sub 1% polling candidates are just doing it for book deals. How does that work exactly?

I mean, they obviously don't have that many supporters so why would a publisher throw money at them for a book deal when there wouldn't be any buyers for the book? There must be something that I'm not getting.

They aren't doing it for book deals, they're doing it as a book tour. I think basically any representative or Senator can get a book deal, but nobody buys them unless they run for president.

And even then, nobody reads them. Barack Obama eating a dog and Hillary Clinton owning slaves were stories that came out after their respective elections, despite the fact that both of those stories were in the books the candidates wrote and published well before the election

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Maybe if Gravel wanted to go to the debate, he could've made literally a single public appearance anywhere, or done literally even a single rally.

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VH4Ever posted:

It's almost as if it's really a stunt being run by a few dumb teenagers or something.

The Gravel campaign is, to the best of my knowledge, the only presidential campaign in American history to have to release a proof of life video.

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Binders full of yarmulkes

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The New York establishment Dems are straight up stealing the DA election. I am not looking forward to what kinda poo poo they're gonna pull next year during the presidential primary

https://twitter.com/shaunking/status/1146818765478227968

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It never ends!

https://twitter.com/IsaacDovere/status/1148054937689083904

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Epicurius posted:

Gives him a chance to yell about impeaching Trump and get it on a national stage, I'd guess. Steyer has been one of the strongest advocates for impeachment.

he doesn't get a national stage if he doesn't even qualify for the debates

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