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Who do you wish to win the Democratic primaries?
This poll is closed.
Joe Biden, the Inappropriate Toucher 18 1.46%
Bernie Sanders, the Hand Flailer 665 54.11%
Elizabeth Warren, the Plan Maker 319 25.96%
Kamala Harris, the Cop Lord 26 2.12%
Cory Booker, the Super Hero Wannabe 5 0.41%
Julian Castro, the Twin 5 0.41%
Kirsten Gillibrand, the Franken Killer 5 0.41%
Pete Buttigieg, the Troop Sociopath 17 1.38%
Robert Francis O'Rourke, the Fake Latino 3 0.24%
Jay Inslee, the Climate Alarmist 8 0.65%
Marianne Williamson, the Crystal Queen 86 7.00%
Tulsi Gabbard, the Muslim Hater 23 1.87%
Andrew Yang, the $1000 Fool 32 2.60%
Eric Swalwell, the Insurance Wife Guy 2 0.16%
Amy Klobuchar, the Comb Enthusiast 1 0.08%
Bill de Blasio, the NYPD Most Hated 4 0.33%
Tim Ryan, the Dope Face 3 0.24%
John Hickenlooper, the Also Ran 7 0.57%
Total: 1229 votes
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tylersayten
Mar 20, 2019

by LITERALLY AN ADMIN

This kind of bullshit is why Trump gets away with calling the media fake news.

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tylersayten
Mar 20, 2019

by LITERALLY AN ADMIN

Calibanibal posted:

Not surprising that Bernie stans itt want to minimize and decenter the accomplishments of Harris, Warren and Williamson.

God forbid we criticize the cop, former republican, and witch doctor, comrade.

tylersayten
Mar 20, 2019

by LITERALLY AN ADMIN

Helsing posted:

It's loving insane to think you can reverse engineer the strategies of a party run by white supremacist oligarchs and merely apply the same tactics to fight for a completely different political agenda. All you're doing is giving your leaders the necessary tools to break their promises. All you're doing is taking the most politically active and conscious part of your own coalition and constantly telling them to internalize the beliefs and thoughts of the enemy.

Seriously, how do you not get that what you're describing has been the mainstream Democratic approach for decades? You're more or less describing the ideology of the New Democrats and then of the Obama administration.

This is one of the many reasons why I dislike Warren so much. How does she expect to defeat the literal white supremacist/Christian theocrat party if she can’t even go on Fox News? Bernie got a Fox News studio audience to cheer for every progressive policy he proposed by rationally explaining each one in a calm demeanor.

Warren is so toxic for the left-wing base right now. Please don’t fall for a centrist who literally took a DNA test for Trump.

tylersayten
Mar 20, 2019

by LITERALLY AN ADMIN

MSDOS KAPITAL posted:

lol I'm not going to defend Nate but I think there's a difference between that and just saying "actually polls do matter." Like I've gone out of my way to explain why I think the polling is going to systematically underrate Bernie (and for that matter, though probably to a lesser extent, Warren) but you ignored all that poo poo in favor of the zinger. Good on you :)

But, I think if the polls did show Bernie with a clear and commanding lead up to this point with no sign of faltering, you probably wouldn't be in here talking about how polls don't matter quite so much.

I predicted Trump was going to be the next President the moment Bernie won the Michigan primary. It was abundantly clear that the rustbelt was simply not going to pull the lever for an establishment shill in 2016. They had Hillary polling 20+ points in Michigan as well. So yeah, I think “polling” has been proven to be little more than establishment gaslighting and public manipulation since 2016.

tylersayten
Mar 20, 2019

by LITERALLY AN ADMIN

Son of Thunderbeast posted:

10% over 10 years lmao

Warren needs to stop wasting everyone's goddamn time already

The more she reveals how establishment she is, the better. :getin:

tylersayten
Mar 20, 2019

by LITERALLY AN ADMIN

Unoriginal Name posted:

Harm reduction as policy: the Democratic Party story.

Tax cuts and cost reductions in 2019. This country is so hosed

They won’t even get on Yang’s lovely UBI lol

tylersayten
Mar 20, 2019

by LITERALLY AN ADMIN
I’d vote for Yang over Warren at this point.

tylersayten
Mar 20, 2019

by LITERALLY AN ADMIN
https://twitter.com/lukewsavage/status/1147691507811540992?s=21

tylersayten
Mar 20, 2019

by LITERALLY AN ADMIN

Can we please end this country already

tylersayten
Mar 20, 2019

by LITERALLY AN ADMIN
The fact anyone who calls themselves a leftist who thinks a white person - who also happens to be a former Reaganite FFS - lying about their ethnicity for their own self-aggrandizement is permissible in any way shape or form should probably gently caress off.

This Cherokee origin bullshit means a Warren nominee would completely neutralize any effective Democratic attacks painting Donald Trump as a serial liar. Trump then uses this lie to explain her flip-flopping record and statements in addition to his skill at manipulating an ever increasingly worthless media to get reelected. She also said she’ll take donor money if she’s the nominee. But wouldn’t it be great if there was a candidate with an actual consistent 40+ year record on progressive issues in the field right now?

tylersayten
Mar 20, 2019

by LITERALLY AN ADMIN
Donald Trump literally punk’d Warren into taking a DNA test about her Pocahontas bullshit - which backfired spectacularly - and there are still people ITT who think she has a chance against him in the general election. :lol:

We’re not even getting into how she’s such a blatant Trojan Horse for the establishment against the left.

tylersayten
Mar 20, 2019

by LITERALLY AN ADMIN
Like Hillary Clinton, Elizabeth Warren is a former republican. The only difference being that Warren was a republican until 1996, when she was 46 years old. Not knowing that republicans are evil at 46 years old - not to mention being one - simply makes you unelectable and untrustworthy to me. Lying about your ethnicity for material gain aside.

tylersayten
Mar 20, 2019

by LITERALLY AN ADMIN
I would vote for Yang over Warren and other establishment candidates.

tylersayten
Mar 20, 2019

by LITERALLY AN ADMIN

Punk da Bundo posted:

Lol Yang wants us to live under neo feudalism

I’d rather live under neo feudalism with UBI than neo feudalism without it.

tylersayten
Mar 20, 2019

by LITERALLY AN ADMIN

Condiv posted:

his UBI doesn't count for you if you benefit from any programs

it's literally a reverse means-tested UBI

And it’s still better than any Democrat candidate’s platform except Bernie’s. How sad is that.

tylersayten
Mar 20, 2019

by LITERALLY AN ADMIN

WampaLord posted:

So just vote for Bernie?

Jesus Christ do not become an unironic Yang Ganger, UBI is a cool idea but his version sucks and he sucks.

Oh yeah, Bernie has always been my first and likely only choice. Yang is my second based on his UBI - albeit a lovely one - alone.

And I’m picking Yang as my second only in the context of every candidate being worthless establishment hacks except Bernie, which is true.

tylersayten
Mar 20, 2019

by LITERALLY AN ADMIN

Majorian posted:

I mean, my dude...Yang is a tech billionaire. That's pretty drat establishment, w/r/t the Democratic Party.

I’ll take an establishment candidate offering UBI over those that don’t. I know this is a low bar, but then again, this is America we’re working with here.

tylersayten
Mar 20, 2019

by LITERALLY AN ADMIN

eke out posted:

so literally just "gently caress you, anyone using the social safety net, got mine" huh

But enough about the DNC’s platform.

tylersayten
Mar 20, 2019

by LITERALLY AN ADMIN

Majorian posted:

But it's UBI with massive slashes to important federal safety net programs. You can see why that's not a good thing, right?

Yeah, it’s not good at all, but everyone except Bernie is going to slash them anyway.

tylersayten
Mar 20, 2019

by LITERALLY AN ADMIN

papa horny michael posted:

Imagine writing this while the Marianne Williamson campaign exists.

The literal witch doctor candidate? That one?

tylersayten
Mar 20, 2019

by LITERALLY AN ADMIN

Punk da Bundo posted:

Marianne Williamson is a way better choice than Yang Gang

Blasphemy. The Gospel of Yangism will defeat the pagan witch doctor and her grotesque, voodoo politics.

tylersayten
Mar 20, 2019

by LITERALLY AN ADMIN
Even though Yang’s UBI is next to poo poo, I strongly advise everyone to read his book The War on Normal People - it’s a loving sobering alarm bell about the coming tidal wave of automation over the next 10 years. This is going to have a PROFOUND affect on politics and daily life.

tylersayten
Mar 20, 2019

by LITERALLY AN ADMIN
It’s going to be fun watching Warren fans rationalize her positive statements and quotes about Reagan and republicans throughout the 80s and 90s during the general election (after she ratfucks Bernie). All Trump will have to do is read them off at his rallies while calling her Lyin’ Pocahontas and boom! 4 more years of Trump.

tylersayten
Mar 20, 2019

by LITERALLY AN ADMIN
Marianne Williamson reminds me of that substitute teacher I had a crush on in High School.

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tylersayten
Mar 20, 2019

by LITERALLY AN ADMIN

Chilichimp posted:

I hate her more just for going ON "The Rubin Report".

Bro how do you pass up the opportunity to make Dave Rubin look like a complete rear end of himself on his own show

tylersayten
Mar 20, 2019

by LITERALLY AN ADMIN

Trabisnikof posted:

The context of this is she’s really just saying “minorities” because she’s implying it’s people from Oakland or Richmond coming to SF to crime.

Harris is so embarrassing to the Bay Area holy poo poo

tylersayten
Mar 20, 2019

by LITERALLY AN ADMIN

Solkanar512 posted:

That’s not what he said.

Of the million things you could be legitimately criticizing Biden for, this is pretty loving stupid. No one knew how far this poo poo was going to go.

Plenty of people who know about politics could tell Hillary’s general election campaign was completely hosed before it began. I knew Donald Trump was going to be the next President when Bernie won that Michigan primary. It sent a very clear message to anyone with an iota of political literacy that the Rustbelt was simply not going to vote for any candidate that voted for/supported NAFTA - you know, the same agreement that literally destroyed the RustBelt in less than a generation? Add on top of this the way Obama kept pushing the TPP at the same time, which was just NAFTA on steroids.

The Democrats basically handed trump that election on a loving silver platter

tylersayten
Mar 20, 2019

by LITERALLY AN ADMIN
https://www.politico.com/story/2019/07/25/warren-hillary-clinton-vice-president-1435422

Elizabeth Warren just announced how she would have accepted an offer to be Hillary’s VP. There it is in plain site, folks. She refused to endorse Bernie in the 2016 primary because 1) she’s not progressive/socialist at all, 2) she’s an establishment politician, and 3) she only cares about power. I’m not even getting into how she was a republican until she was almost 50, or how she literally lied about her ethnicity for material gain.

Elizabeth Warren is a loving neoliberal Trojan horse, and all of her fans in denial about this need to be educated on it. This is your future, people. Start exposing her to everyone you know now.

tylersayten
Mar 20, 2019

by LITERALLY AN ADMIN

mormonpartyboat posted:

dangerous ground for kamala, given biden's strong history of being lovely to black people

gently caress Biden, but Kamala’s policing record wrt to black people is just as bad

tylersayten
Mar 20, 2019

by LITERALLY AN ADMIN

KingNastidon posted:

Well, I'd prefer people don't spill blood if democratic primary voters don't nominate bernie sanders.

It continues to astound me to no end how centrist creatures such as you are still in denial about the mass political violence that is inevitable in this country due to the dystopian material reality so many are living in regardless of who is the Dem nominee. The Bernie platform is literally the only one of all the candidates that has any chance of somewhat minimizing it.

tylersayten
Mar 20, 2019

by LITERALLY AN ADMIN

Marxalot posted:



tHe MeDiA iSn'T bIaSeD

The media sure as gently caress does, and you’re a fool if you believe their denial of it.

tylersayten
Mar 20, 2019

by LITERALLY AN ADMIN

SKULL.GIF posted:

I'm all in for Bernie but Warren did exceptionally well last night and I think a lot of internet leftists aren't allowing themselves to recognize that.

The problem with Warren is that she’s the public option candidate who has a chance, while Bernie is the universal/single-payer/left candidate who has a chance. The public option is loving bad because it will be nothing more than a punching bag for the private health industry and capitalists - and by extension, the entire corporate media apparatus - to use as “proof” that “leftism” doesn’t work during and after they continuously gut funds to it.

This isn’t even mentioning how the public option will won’t be comprehensive coverage to begin with due to being in “competition” with private insurance. You know how Medicare doesn’t cover everything that private plans do? The public option will be like that but on steroids.

tylersayten
Mar 20, 2019

by LITERALLY AN ADMIN
Literally the only memorable thing about last night was Tulsi pulling multiple truth daggers on Harris. Kamala’s policing record is so appalling - I bet a lot of republicans are envious of it.

tylersayten
Mar 20, 2019

by LITERALLY AN ADMIN

Son of Thunderbeast posted:

It's crystal clear now, for sure.

Not until the Crystal Queen’s orb verifies it.

tylersayten
Mar 20, 2019

by LITERALLY AN ADMIN
https://twitter.com/shaunking/status/1156738534126030849?s=21

Looks like Tulsi’s exposure of Kamala’s republican record is sticking

tylersayten
Mar 20, 2019

by LITERALLY AN ADMIN
More Kamala awfulness headed your way!

https://twitter.com/davidsirota/status/1157040868244672513?s=21

tylersayten
Mar 20, 2019

by LITERALLY AN ADMIN

Gripweed posted:

Kamala Harris' response to attacks on her record seems pretty convincing to me. Everyone who doesn't like her is a Russia-backed Assadist, and what record?

https://twitter.com/RealTimBlack/status/1157338794930114561?s=20

It really can’t be overstated just how loving sleazy Kamala is in every way.

tylersayten
Mar 20, 2019

by LITERALLY AN ADMIN

Zipperelli. posted:

Can someone give me a quick explanation why all these rich idiots want fascism, like they wouldnt be affected in any way, which is wildly untrue?

Probably because fascism is the only system left that would prevent the rich from being skinned alive for destroying anything resembling labor rights, healthcare, the welfare state, and the biosphere on this planet.

tylersayten
Mar 20, 2019

by LITERALLY AN ADMIN

Judakel posted:

Apparently I got probated for saying this so: Warren has no health plan as part of her platform. She has no clue on healthcare and is latching on to whatever's popular.

It really goes like this:
  • Bernie is the Universal/Single-Payer/Medicare for All AKA common sense candidate.
  • Warren is the public option candidate, which still sucks rear end.
  • Everyone else just wants to fund Romneycare Obamacare, AKA worthless.

The media is quite adept at confusing Warren’s :siren: plan :siren: with Bernie’s. I had some idiot in a shared Lyft ride the other day ignorantly proclaim how Warren’s entire political ideology is identical to Bernie’s, and she was shocked to learn from me that Warren was a republican until she was 46 years old.

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tylersayten
Mar 20, 2019

by LITERALLY AN ADMIN

Mind_Taker posted:

Also keep Delaney in because all he is doing is helping show how good progressive policies are.

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