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| Joe Biden, the Inappropriate Toucher |
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18 | 1.46% |
| Bernie Sanders, the Hand Flailer |
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665 | 54.11% |
| Elizabeth Warren, the Plan Maker |
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319 | 25.96% |
| Kamala Harris, the Cop Lord |
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26 | 2.12% |
| Cory Booker, the Super Hero Wannabe |
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5 | 0.41% |
| Julian Castro, the Twin |
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5 | 0.41% |
| Kirsten Gillibrand, the Franken Killer |
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5 | 0.41% |
| Pete Buttigieg, the Troop Sociopath |
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17 | 1.38% |
| Robert Francis O'Rourke, the Fake Latino |
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3 | 0.24% |
| Jay Inslee, the Climate Alarmist |
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8 | 0.65% |
| Marianne Williamson, the Crystal Queen |
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86 | 7.00% |
| Tulsi Gabbard, the Muslim Hater |
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23 | 1.87% |
| Andrew Yang, the $1000 Fool |
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32 | 2.60% |
| Eric Swalwell, the Insurance Wife Guy |
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2 | 0.16% |
| Amy Klobuchar, the Comb Enthusiast |
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1 | 0.08% |
| Bill de Blasio, the NYPD Most Hated |
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4 | 0.33% |
| Tim Ryan, the Dope Face |
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3 | 0.24% |
| John Hickenlooper, the Also Ran |
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I know Trump misrepresented the healthcare-for-the-undocumented thing, but I would like in the future for candidates to talk about what that means, because as far as I know only Thailand has pulled this off to the fullest extent possible. I know a number of these candidates have caveats but aside from Bernie going ‘yes, like Thailand’ there hasn’t been a lot of real policy goals.
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IUG posted:I don't suppose that there's any other candidate who wants to break up the big tech companies, because that's my major reason for supporting her. I like Warren, but I’m not sure her plan to break up Amazon doesn’t immediately make Walmart extremely, ridiculously powerful. As far as I can tell, she doesn’t put any counterweight to them filling the vacuum; they’re just rewarded for not being a “tech company”. It’s weird because I’m an “end of work” type who was to redistribute the poo poo out of money, but I can kind of see where the whole “they’re going too far left” poo poo comes from. I mean I do dislike certain tech companies, but I don’t want the government to force Apple into separate hardware/software companies. The bullshit on Android regarding one company making the OS and another company making a phone with another company’s components might be good for marketplaces, but it means my three month old Android doesn’t get an OS update because Qualcomm won’t give Samsung an updated driver. The more companies are involved, the more profit motives there are and the more likely one of the hands in your pocket says, “why develop the device you already bought when planned obsolescence nets us another sale?” Craptacular! fucked around with this message at 20:25 on Jun 29, 2019 |
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Ogmius815 posted:Guys Marianne Williamson is not going to be the democratic nominee. There’s a non-zero chance you come out of this with a new life as a Roger Stone cosplayer. Godspeed, sir.
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I’m just tired of “well you know (name) will not keep to their promises” as if that’s some kind of tangible negative. You’re predicting the future, and it’s deliberately hard to argue with someone who feels they can prognosticate eventual timelines. On top of that, this very forum was where I learned that you ask for everything if you want to accomplish even something. Warren asking for single payer healthcare and then “walking it back” is more likely to make things better than the idiots on the stage who think they can just ask for a public option and expect to get one. The problem is some people here have turned into the left’s equivalent of the abortion amendment people, tired of pols who not only tease their pet issue but want them to deliver with the passion of conviction. Also they need to have perfect histories on an array of social justice matters or else random minority Foo will fail to vote and Trump will win again.
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Jun 30, 2019 03:53
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VitalSigns posted:Well, yes? Building a coalition is critical, we saw what happens when the campaign strategy is to promise as little as possible to just barely win, because the assumption is Trump will certainly lose. The counterpoint to this is that Bernie’s 2016 campaign did not hit all the perfect notes on race and it probably still would have won. It doesn’t stop a lot of (probably white) posters from saying that a woman of color will lose black voters because of how she’s more racist to POC than the white guy. I can’t speak for POC but that’ll never stop being hilarious to me. generic one posted:I agree that raising a lot of money doesn’t guarantee how well that money’s going to be spent. My point is, I don’t think there’s a candidate for president who has won the general election just off of small, individual donors, especially since the Citizens United decision, which is a significant factor. Keep in mind even if Bernie is the candidate and takes no large donors, MoveOn and other such organizations will, and will make ads that may overreach in attacking and make Bernie look bad. If the majority of Bernie ads are superpac ads screaming that Trump is a Russian mole, that’s not good. And then there’s the DNC and their bumper sticker and social media antics that are so out of touch that AOC dunks on it. Saying you won’t take big donor money is noble, but it means the advertisements are less “I’m Bernie Sanders and I approved this message: [cheerful music and discussion about health policy]” and more about a dramatic worrying horror movie soundtrack playing as a low intone voice mutters, “Donald Trump called Haiti a shithole, an indignity beneath the office. Donald Trump, unfit to serve. PaidforbyEnoughOfTrumpDotCom” As you can’t loving do anything about the cash flooding into politics without first attaining power, I see it as Warren wanting to make sure the ads that happen reflect her campaign.
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Ytlaya posted:Also, I have no clue what you're trying to get at with the abortion thing, since there's a pretty fuckin huge difference between "people upset about politicians teasing doing a very important good thing and not doing it" and "people upset about politicians teasing doing something that will cause millions of women to suffer and not doing it." Like seriously, what the gently caress lol, I don't think you thought this out. Imagine I posted the @dril "there is no difference between good things and bad things" tweet quote:Uh, is it just me or are you basically saying "PoC will support the PoC candidate even if they're more racist to PoC"? That seems like a kinda messed up thing to think! It’s not so much the message as it is the messengers. People writing candidates off as ruined forever for not connecting with people they can’t cancel on others behalf is just kind of tiring, but it’s been a large part of Bernie or busting.
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Jun 30, 2019 18:41
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is pepsi ok posted:We're a button press away from ethering the entirety of North Korea, but yeah sure we totally need some diplomacy to promote US security or whatever Keep in mind most people have not read long articles on strategic defense and the options in North Korea. If they did, they’ll see every retaliation has enormous cost to either us or the South Koreans and maybe Japan, and the most likely outcome is that we’re going to have to accept that the Kim dynasty can point nuclear warheads at the lower 48 and learn to live under that threat. Long detailed infopieces about the various options usually end with, “well maybe we should being back 1950s style nuclear drills to classrooms again.” The candidates can’t actually say that, though. Most everyday Americans who don’t obsess over politics believe it’s unacceptable to surrender an untouchable mainland. Like a lot of privileges, it’s not one people let go of easily. So I’m not sure exactly what kind of statement you want from Warren, because “wake up and face to the shadow of annihilation” doesn’t really make people Pokémon Go to the polls.
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Jun 30, 2019 21:28
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I wish Bernie had some details about what he as President should do about the opioid crisis. Saying “as a Senator I proposed jailing pharma execs” is nice, but an “if elected I will do this” outline would win him support in places where I think he could use it. These places went for Hillary in the primary and then Trump in the general, and they’re communities where firefighters have turned into OD recovery specialists who sometimes spray water on a blaze. There’s even a rich gently caress family making big amounts of money on it, so it fits into Bern’s overall narrative of dancing around guillotines. Craptacular! fucked around with this message at 22:19 on Jul 8, 2019 |
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Jul 8, 2019 22:13
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I didn’t go to college because when I was young I took the “school isn’t cool and grown ups suck and just want to make you a slave” stuff too unironically. So I got a lot of grades you’d rather hide from your parents because I hated being there so much that I could barely even pay attention. Until colleges show no bias against kids whose report cards spent more ink printing “needs improvement / in danger of failing” over and over than they spent on the rest of it, college just isn’t for me. I have tried, tried to get through my twenties not being a resentful poo poo among the people I consider friends who expect me to be able to relate with their college difficulties because I seem like a sharp white guy and so naturally I went to college right. And now in my thirties I’m trying not to be think of why I should want the people who went to college to have their debts forgiven. (At least on the latter, I can see it in the “building a better world for our children” perspective.) What I don’t get is why at 37 my success metrics should be diminished by who I was at 17, but it’s cool that someone came through and explained that it’s because of some bullshit about nuance. Cool beans dude. We need fewer colleges and more apprenticeships kthxgoal
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Jul 15, 2019 09:49
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Heck Yes! Loam! posted:Bidens good at pushups too apparently This is entirely bad headline context. Biden was asked what he’d do if Trump attacks his mental capacity and Biden said in kinder words that he’d point out how fat Trump is.
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Jul 17, 2019 08:05
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When Warren was a Republican, many Democrats from the rural parts were racists and the party wasn’t 100% behind civil rights. Saying that Warren is a capitalist is fair. Suggesting she was a Republican because she thought Democrats were Marxist-Leninists is speculation. But this weird “if Warren really cared about gay people she would’ve joined the Democrats of Oklahoma” is weird when we’re talking about the party Richard Shelby hadn’t left yet.
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Jul 20, 2019 05:04
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Ytlaya posted:The thing that bothers me about these Warren folks is that they are almost never willing to just directly make their case for why they prefer their candidate over Sanders. I think she’s more likely to serve a second term than Bernie. I guess this is a “women live longer than men” thing because they’re both aging boomers but it’s just my belief. There are certain problems that aren’t solved by jailing a CEO, where at best it’s a good first step. Bernie has talked less about what he’d do as President to some things and more about how as a Senator he wanted to criminalize certain amoral behaviors. It’s cool he wanted to jail some pharma CEOs, but even guillotining the Sackler family doesn’t solve the opioid crisis. This is a situation where many people are victims and aren’t even aware of it, and it’s transformed fire departments into OD revival specialists who also sometimes pour water on a blaze. It’s one of the biggest domestic issues and I wish he’d have more vision of what he would do if he won. I think Warren, like Merkel, is a good foil to Putin and a lesser extent Xi. I understand Bernie is better aligned with this forum on Middle East policies, but that part of the world is not my personal top priority for foreign policy. I am probably fatigued from the past twenty years of US intervention there and concede any administration that doesn’t have Bolton is an improvement. The last issue is probably the opposite position of most Bernie people on Warren. There are occasional moments Bernie stakes out positions on things that I’m just not there yet. Most examples would be considered Cool And Good by most people here, and on some issues I tilt closer to some neoliberal positions than most here. I accept these differences though because no candidate is perfect and I have to be willing to compromise on some things to get what I want elsewhere. So that’s kind of why, if I lived in a primary state, I’d vote for Warren. As I live in a caucus state, my realpolitik rear end will go with whichever the underdog is because it’s more important to block Biden/Harris/etc.
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Question to the people who talk labor: isn’t working these sorts of poo poo Jobs a ladder for people with a terrible employment history? If you have huge, gaping holes in your history I can see opting to do some kind of unpaid campaign job simply to show the next employer you did something. This has always kind of been my quiet concern with the labor/union politics, it seems designed to benefit those who already are in the system by denying opportunity to people who fell through the cracks in some way. (Edit: I guess in Bernie’s ideal world a jobs guarantee is supposed to address this, but man I feel there’s better ways to address poverty.) Majorian posted:And Merkel's been a terrible foil for Putin, I'm sorry to tell you dude. She's been pretty much unable to stop him in any meaningful way. Europe’s situation to Russia is sort of like the US with Saudi Arabia, except worse because at least the US can do a lot to use less Saudi oil. Ideally, Europe can say disapproving things about the Saudis where our hands are magically tied, and we watch their backs regarding Russia. Hasn’t worked out well lately, though. Craptacular! fucked around with this message at 16:54 on Jul 20, 2019 |
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BENGHAZI 2 posted:No, you get stuck in them forever because you can't afford to do anything that would let you get a better job I feel like I’m less employable than this summer’s crop of high school kids, so it’s basically underpaying jobs or working in the kind of reintegration jobs ex-convicts working back into society do. I’ve tried to mentally tell myself I’m not too proud for either. Ytlaya posted:Pretty much "by definition" it's impossible for any "opportunity"-based approach to ever be any sort of real solution. All that can ever do is shuffle around existing jobs. While not exactly a zero-sum game, there will always be a hard limit to the number of decent-paying jobs that arise in a free-ish market. There can only be so many people working well-paying managerial-professional jobs, since all the poorly paying service/retail/etc jobs still need to be worked. So pretty much all policies that are meant to give people the opportunity to become one of the "haves" instead of the "have-nots" aren't [i]real[/i[ solutions. I feel like there can be less and less people experiencing the misery of dead end go nowhere jobs simply due to the capitalists looking to erase margins by replacing them all with machines, and so that’s why I get nervous with any progressive candidate who drones on about making sure people’s jobs don’t get automated away. These are often the same candidates promoting the jobs guarantee, and I guess we need to make sure humans are doing jobs that don’t really need them to be there to be done in order to keep that sustainable, but to me the jobs guarantee thing is like when single payer advocate hears “Obamacare but with a public plan”. I feel we should be reducing the amount of labor hours needed from people as we can, taxing the profits of the wealthy robo-labor barons, and use some combination of welfare and UBI to ensure that people who do work have jobs they want to do and not doing drudgery for basic survival. (Edited for cleanliness because I phone-posted all over) Craptacular! fucked around with this message at 20:23 on Jul 20, 2019 |
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Majorian posted:The reason why Bernie's the best candidate to help with the opioid crisis is because people suffering from addiction to opioids need Medicare For All if they're going to survive. There's really nothing in any of the other candidates' plans that are better-geared towards addressing this crisis than that. I agree about treating the addicted, but hundreds to thousands of pills per resident flood into communities and Doctors keep prescribing them. My Mom has pretty good healthcare and never thought herself a victim of the opioid crisis but last month she collapsed for the second time taking some of the relevant painkillers as prescribed. I didn’t know what she was taking was one of the drugs at the center of the problem because all I knew about was OxyContin thanks to Rush Limbaugh. Jailing a CEO is a good start, but more has to be done regulatory wise. The President controls the DEA and has some leverage here. MSDOS KAPITAL posted:No one talking about a jobs guarantee is doing so with a view to increasing power of capitalists over the rest of us. This is a good post and makes me feel better about Bernie. I still view automation as progress and cringe at its demonization, but that’s just me. It feels a neoliberal solution to a progressive problem, even though it’s really the opposite. Craptacular! fucked around with this message at 03:23 on Jul 21, 2019 |
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Judakel posted:This is just revisionism. She was a Republican during the Reagan years, not the 1960s. The Democrats had old racists hanging around into the Bush years. The Republicans has Strom, of course, but the flip of the southern racists didn’t really come around until Reagan as lots of older people in the northern cities (because, again, there were lots of lovely racists in Union territory as well) moved south due to lower rents and the standard of air conditioning making living there tolerable. And I mentioned Shelby, who changed to Republican in 1994. Warren said she was a Republican because family and so on, but the flip from Dixiecrats to GOP Racism didn’t happen just for Nixon’s re-election. It was a slow gradual change over 25 years. I guess you can complain that she wasn’t disgusted by Reagan, but Reagan didn’t really gently caress up the tax brackets to let the rich loot us all until his second term.
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They’re actually yelling out the narratives (Bernie VS Warren! Progressives VS Moderates!) in a video package with dramatic background music like a WWE blowoff match
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Jul 31, 2019 01:03
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Really great for Pete to give the argument against his proposal.
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Jul 31, 2019 01:42
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We need a “no sob stories” rule. We need labeling on GMOs so my five year old newphew, who when he isn’t undergoing chemotherapy just wants to eat natural food...
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Delaney go endorse Trump already.
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Jul 31, 2019 01:46
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Beto: “I’m just here to see how far you can get on the momentum of just being a Chad.”
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Psychepath posted:This debate is a full on Sanders/Warren vs the rest of the dipshits hit piece. gently caress these moderators. Sanders/Warren are collecting scalps left and right, though.
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Warren is the ogre that everyone keeps mooning. The unfortunate thing is people will call her a schoolmarm nanny for arguing with five men at once.
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Jul 31, 2019 03:22
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Someday, Bernie’s kids will refuse to honor his request to have the number of uninsured featured on his tomb.
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Jul 31, 2019 03:25
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Gatts posted:Crystal Lady has use. She's a counter to Trump. It's like The Dark Side came up and then the Force said "Here's the Light Side" Trump isn’t a fallen Jedi he’s a non-Jedi Sith Lord HTH
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Jul 31, 2019 03:35
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Hickenlooper and Klobuchar both promoting their special talent of attracting white voters.
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Jul 31, 2019 03:39
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Almost every speech, everybody but Warren and Bernie, is running on the theme of, “how are we going to get whites to vote for this default party of non-whites? I have words/prior election results/chi energy that will bring the mythical white voter to us.”
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Jul 31, 2019 03:45
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On MSNBC, the anti-Republican network, Claire McCaskill wants you to know that you can’t promise “free stuff” because people already assume they won’t get any of it and then Trump can tell them the Mexicans took it all. No criminal offense for border crossing combined with universal healthcare will be seen a mixture that will turn us into the underdeveloped world’s doctors office as people from elsewhere just dance across the border to get whatever they want done on our system’s dime. Jesus Christ. In theory that message was aimed at me, and it failed.
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Jul 31, 2019 04:15
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Beto was so funded by oil to the point he is unelectable almost anywhere outside of Texas, and failed to beat Texas’s least popular Republican. There isn’t anywhere he can go.
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Jul 31, 2019 04:18
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Brian Williams: “You has candidates out there calling for everything up to a free salad bar and breadsticks, just about; and others saying, we can’t possibly promise all this.” https://moneyinc.com/brian-williams-net-worth/
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Until Biden quits, Pete has a place being in the race simply because he makes it bad form for Biden to proclaim himself a gay rights icon for his marriage stance. Pete felt like he started to signal tonight that he wouldn’t mind being somebody’s VP. He’s done too much shady poo poo to survive intense scrutiny, but half of it is kind of a representation of how states have intentionally starved cities of money to the point of harassing the poor to afford things.
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An interesting note about the centrist wing VS Bernie is that much of their message revolves the idea about how if we raise the quality of life for everyone, union members won’t be able to enjoy markedly better lives than everyone else. I feel like I’ve been telling the guillotines gang forever, but union leadership is not your friend. They will sell you out to neoliberals the moment you give a salaried employee a benefit union hourlies enjoy.
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Ranter posted:What I'm hearing here is that the concept of a salary needs to be abolished, all workers should be hourly, and unions should be mandatory. I don’t want to be hourly and actually do remain ready to jump into work at any moment, or respond to work emails while at home. The main problem is at the government level, and Obama tried a band aid approach with his overtime rule which Trump immediately ripped off. Edit: Bootjudge was a McKinsey consultant in Afghanistan, doing exactly what you’d expect someone of that background would do there. Did you really think his service was going to look like The Hurt Locker? Craptacular! fucked around with this message at 06:18 on Jul 31, 2019 |
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Glasses Optional posted:The mayor stuff does absolutely seem troubling to me. The idea that he would demolish homes 'just cuz' is some mustache twirly stuff. I’ll say that the home demolishment stuff has some poor reporting going on, as out of ~560 demolitions the biggest opponents voiced in the articles are two persons. One bought a house after it had been marked for demolition and had a difficult time dealing with the city bureaucracy to preserve it, and the other had intentions of being a landlord for nine properties but couldn’t afford to make the renovations when a family member fell ill and medical bills ate up their renovations budget. Which is to say, both victims in this event were facing problems either directly created by capitalism or were capitalism-adjacent. That one lady’s story could be spun positively into a “never again” thing if Pete only supported real Medicare For All instead of Medicare For Those Who Can Afford To Buy In. There’s a couple other events like this that can be basically chalked up to bad optics, but the real problem with Pete’s candidacy is his going to bat for racist cops. (Are they racist? We don’t know because Pete is sealing evidence. Which means they’re most likely racist.) Craptacular! fucked around with this message at 14:09 on Jul 31, 2019 |
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The best part of all these centrists yelling about how they hate centrism and the last administration sucked is it is means Pelosi is so, so hosed unless she wakes up and supports impeachment already.
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I’ve mentioned Congressman Horsford in the past because he’s in my region, but more importantly a big powerful union easily pushed him to the top over every progressive group endorsing his opponents. https://twitter.com/meganmesserly/status/1157302058501804032 Horsford’s union buddies are probably still mad that Obama didn’t let them “double dip” and get tax credits for their plans that were too loaded up with benefits to qualify for them. So now you’ll maybe get a public option or nothing. I swear that unions will be the biggest opposition to ever getting a single payer system in America. gently caress em.
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Ice Bern: https://twitter.com/meganmesserly/status/1157743995428040704
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tylersayten posted:Oh great, we’re doing the 90s strategy of blaming Grand Theft Auto and Marilyn Manson again Most of this decade has been rehashing the 60s so I’m not sure why this is surprising.
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