kidkissinger posted:

pretty much every single comment on NPRs Facebook article about Harris winning the debate is about how Buttigieg was the real winner because he didn't raise his voice and showed composure.

Gripweed posted:

I think there's a miscommunication going on. I really doubt that anybody here is actually going to vote for Williamson in the primary. We're all Bernie voters or Warren nerds.

But, a lot of people still appreciate Williamson as a presence in the debate. We can talk about how she has good individual policies, and others can counter with her bad policies, and so on, but I don't think that's what's really motivating people to like her. I think the reason people like her is that not only does she come across as a genuinely good person on stage next to the usual gaggle of loving robots, but she actually talks about emotions. For far too long, Democrats have treated politics like some miserable debate for nerds where they all compete to to be the most bi-partisanly reasonable. So when a woman who seems like she actually cares about things is on stage next to goddamn Buttigieg and starts talking about how Trump has gotten into all of our brains and made us feel worse, gently caress yeah we like her! We want her to stay on that stage, to keep addressing the actual psychic damage done by the Trump administration.

You guys can be like "oh, look at her trade policy proposal, it doesn't address the blugdbb..." all you want, Williamson is actually talking about the daily mental assault that living under the Trump administration is. That's why we like her.

I'm not going to vote for her, but I like her and I want her to stay on that debate stage long after Delany and Beto and Tim.... I wanna say Reynolds? are gone.

Koalas March posted:

https://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3837920&userid=0&perpage=40&pagenumber=98#post496319338

JazzFlight posted:

I mean, like in a sane world people would see any of these quotes and go, "Oh yeah, this guy sucks!" but I'm sure there will be polls where somehow his support goes up or stays steady because in our world people go "LA LA LA LA LA I CAN'T HEAR YOU I DON'T WANT TO THINK ABOUT POLITICS LA LA LA LA LA."

The Muppets On PCP posted:

DeadlyMuffin posted:

This tweet seems pretty innocuous to me. Good thing you're here to read between the lines and let us know she actually meant "American Empire Forever!"

The hate for Warren in this thread doesn't actually seem to be particularly grounded in reality, but instead on this kind of nonsense.

I know I'll get laughed at for going to her website (because Clinton had a website!) but:

HootTheOwl posted:

He had a better passer rating in those playoffs than he did when he won with Indy, and that includes a game winning drive. This isn't a good analogy for you.

HootTheOwl posted:

No, unless this is like when he used cowboys instead of broncos and you also mean something else?

LinYutang posted:

Bernie has been seriously campaigning for four years. Thus far he has a ceiling of around 20% with total name recognition. The premise of creating a broad working class coalition to push through transformative change hasn't at all come to fruition; his polling among black voters is still dismal. But people still insist he is "electable."

So there probably is something to the idea that "electable" is a sophisticated way to say "candidate I agree with."

Typo posted:

Bernie's actual problem this cycle btw is more with older voters in general rather than race/gender, something like <30% of 65+ say they would even -consider- voting for him and he's at 7% with them. The average age of Dem primary voter in 2016 is something between 47-52.

if you expect huge surge of young voters he does win but that's a huge if

Majorian posted:

What's your source?

Mellow Seas posted:

I don’t have any confusing triangular graphs to back me up but my understanding is that Bernie “isn’t doing well” with black voters simply because Biden is and you can’t (in the paradigm of a poll) support two candidates at once. If/when Biden crashes Bernie should be picking up a lot of black voters, because they actually “like” him - in a fav/unfav sense - more than white voters.

icantfindaname posted:

https://mobile.twitter.com/ZaidJilani/status/1145804312637054976

Unoriginal Name posted:

10% for Biden

10% for Biden

10% for Biden

mcmagic posted:

I don't think Biden's collapse is good or bad for Bernie. The bad thing for Bernie is that the centrists in the race like Major Butt and Harris are hugging him and his policies so that if you're a typical voter, Bernie isn't able to stand out.

Judakel posted:

Warren comes out in favor of whatever will get her numbers up, and this should be a huge red flag that makes that case. This is an inconsequential thing to debate, because it ain't happening.

enraged_camel posted:

I mean I find it difficult to trust someone who genuinely believes that a tax on stock and bond trades is a good idea.

enraged_camel posted:

This is a matter of debate, to say the least.

I generally share everyone's sentiments regarding politicians who "flip-flop" based on public opinion polls, but also I find it difficult to fault someone for listening to what the public wants. To me, it depends on the candidate, and what kind of person they are generally. Warren has an extremely solid track record when it comes to fighting for causes she believes in. To me, it's okay if she isn't fully sure on other issues, and has come around to them only recently. In my humble opinion, this doesn't make her any less trustworthy.

Oracle posted:

Its fear of the unknown plain and simple. When what's at stake is your health and ultimately your life and that of your loved ones people get pretty risk averse pretty drat quick.

VitalSigns posted:

I want Bernie to win, but look at this poll, let's all give up and agree Biden is the nominee. I really want Bernie to win though, as a Bernie supporter, let's all give up ok.

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Party Plane Jones posted:

I just don't think this space has room for that kind of negative energy

Z. Autobahn posted:

"I like Bernie but I think he's going to lose" is a completely valid viewpoint with zero contradiction. I like a lot of poo poo that I think isn't going to happen.

Being cynical or skeptical or pessimistic isn't the same thing as concern-trolling, and it's dumb to treat it as such.

Marxalot posted:

Biden was sundowning the entire time so








Polling data still consistent with my 2016 prediction of Trump winning 2020.

Nostradumbass McHellworld has logged the f*k in

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Potato Salad posted:

Except they overwhelmingly voted for Clinton.

It's 2019. How did this talking point come back up?

Judakel posted:

What I make of it is that every "Voting for Bernie but throwing Warren a little money for *half-measure plan*" is to blame.

DARPA posted:

The fact he said white people feeling uncomfortable voting for black candidates isn't racist.

Condiv posted:

what are you talking about specifically?

Feldegast42 posted:

No even better, Mitch McConnell.

Marxalot posted:

https://twitter.com/bad_takes/status/1149553144793202688

if only there was some common thread among these random shitlib bernie detractors in the media





e: here's the article I guess https://twitter.com/juliaioffe/status/1149490172930564098