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Who do you wish to win the Democratic primaries?
This poll is closed.
Joe Biden, the Inappropriate Toucher 18 1.46%
Bernie Sanders, the Hand Flailer 665 54.11%
Elizabeth Warren, the Plan Maker 319 25.96%
Kamala Harris, the Cop Lord 26 2.12%
Cory Booker, the Super Hero Wannabe 5 0.41%
Julian Castro, the Twin 5 0.41%
Kirsten Gillibrand, the Franken Killer 5 0.41%
Pete Buttigieg, the Troop Sociopath 17 1.38%
Robert Francis O'Rourke, the Fake Latino 3 0.24%
Jay Inslee, the Climate Alarmist 8 0.65%
Marianne Williamson, the Crystal Queen 86 7.00%
Tulsi Gabbard, the Muslim Hater 23 1.87%
Andrew Yang, the $1000 Fool 32 2.60%
Eric Swalwell, the Insurance Wife Guy 2 0.16%
Amy Klobuchar, the Comb Enthusiast 1 0.08%
Bill de Blasio, the NYPD Most Hated 4 0.33%
Tim Ryan, the Dope Face 3 0.24%
John Hickenlooper, the Also Ran 7 0.57%
Total: 1229 votes
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Willie Tomg
Feb 2, 2006
LISTEN: Biden Supported A Constitutional Amendment To End Mandated Busing In 1975


People say "YIKES" a lot these days, but when it really comes from the heart, y'know.....

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Willie Tomg
Feb 2, 2006

Helsing posted:

The primary is far from over and we need to remember that going forward Harris will start to face a lot more scrutiny. Much like with Biden this is a painful but necessary part of the process: somebody has to actually go negative on Harris and start using her record against her. Arguably it is good that Biden is fading so fast that the real contest can begin, the one that pits woke washed neoliberal authoritarians against an insurgent social democratic grassroots movement. After all, it won't be enough for Bernie to win, he has to actually start salting the earth for future neoliberal candidates. The stretch goal here needs to be that whatever the outcome of the primary, the path to power for the Hillary and Biden style candidates is cut off permanently.

Trump was polling at 1% by this time in 2015 for gently caress's sake.

Willie Tomg
Feb 2, 2006

Mellow Seas posted:

Source? Considering we are post-escalator anniversary that seems way wrong to me. I remember him taking off pretty much immediately, and then everybody spent six months assuming he would collapse at some point. I could be wrong.

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2016/president/us/2016_republican_presidential_nomination-3823.html

Trump doesn't even break the top 5 until mid-month, but when he does he begins the Trump Train and you can visually see him wipe out Bush, Carson, Fiorina, Cruz, and Kaisch in turn.

Majorian posted:

And Friend Ben was in the lead around then too, IIRC.

It was still Jeb! by this point but there was definitely a week apiece where people pretended to be extremely excited for friend ben, and for carly fiorina, and then a week or two where people were holding their noses for Cruz until new york city made fun of him so hard he dropped out.

Majorian posted:

A bit of an exaggeration, but not much of one actually. Trump was at 6% at the beginning of July 2015. He started spiking around the 15th.

yeah I was still thinking of June numbers where he was definitely totally underwater, still.

Willie Tomg
Feb 2, 2006
AOC is a year-old freshman house rep in direct ideological conflict with both the current speaker as well as those for whom the speaker is carrying the water--who are, to be clear: armed and organized white nationalists. I do not stan her like some do, but there is a compelling case to be made for her eating the elephant one bite at a time.

Willie Tomg
Feb 2, 2006

Judakel posted:

You only seem to point it out with the Berndawg, though. That's okay because I know you're a big supporter of his.

I don't know how I missed this but, 10%:

https://twitter.com/ewarren/status/1145828182744076288

in my city rent goes up by 10% per. loving. YEAR.

yronic heroism posted:

Oh no she wants people to save a giant percentage of income from their largest living expense. What a monster!

Edit: i am not sure goons understand how inflation works. ^^

not understanding basic poo poo is your only area of primacy, I'll grant you that.

Willie Tomg fucked around with this message at 20:41 on Jul 5, 2019

Willie Tomg
Feb 2, 2006

ummel posted:

Policy wonks: What can the feds actually do about rents? I've always viewed rent control as more of a local thing. Are we talking housing project construction? Rent reimbursement? Genuinely curious what options they'd even have.

Expand and massively fund section 8 via HUD while prosecuting malfeasance. It won't control price but it could staunch the bleeding on a given household's income.

Every growth city has seen what "incentives to increase supply" look like: handouts to developers to build high margin luxury units on a timeline of... well, about 10 years, she ain't lying about that.

Willie Tomg
Feb 2, 2006

yronic heroism posted:

Actually plenty of housing regulation, for example single-family requirements, are terrible NIMBYism (racism).

I too think mortgage regulations and local zoning are problematic in controlling *checks notes* federal rent programs wait NO! AW, gently caress

Willie Tomg
Feb 2, 2006
It is my RIGHT. As an AMERICAN. To sleep four to a bedroom, as rents go up and up and up because the equilibrium value is asymptotic to whatever money is left after food, utilities, transit, debt and health care. We need to focus on what's important. This is about justice.

Willie Tomg
Feb 2, 2006

Willie Tomg posted:

AOC is a year-old freshman house rep in direct ideological conflict with both the current speaker as well as those for whom the speaker is carrying the water--who are, to be clear: armed and organized white nationalists. I do not stan her like some do, but there is a compelling case to be made for her eating the elephant one bite at a time.

hey speaking of ^^^^ this

https://twitter.com/AOC/status/1147668951834476545

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=avcS0aYJ2a8

Willie Tomg
Feb 2, 2006

Sanguinia posted:

I will if it's against any candidate who publicly promises to immediately close the camps and doesn't backpeddle. Because if Trump wins they're not going anywhere, and they're not going anywhere until Trump loses, and we all know it.

You can argue any other point you want about systemic problems and the NEXT more competent GOP fascist and oncoming climate disaster and every other futurist justification for sitting at home and risking a second Trump term you want. If you willingly refuse to support a candidate who promises to close the camps just because they're not Bernie, you deserve scorn for life. That's not even getting into the OTHER minorities who are suffering and having their lives endangered by Trump every single day, who don't have the luxury of protesting with their vote or lack thereof. But there are plenty of Dems who won't do much for those other minorities either except maybe make incremental progress toward restoring what Trump has already ruined, so fine. But the camps are a non-negotiable issue as far as I'm concerned..

That these facilities were opened during the Bush and Obama administrations is a nontrivial detail, here.

Willie Tomg
Feb 2, 2006

BrandorKP posted:

Further in the post,

"So there is a conflict (but not a contradiction) within socialism about democracy."

Liberalism had the contradiction that it's about freedom, but it ends up taking freedom away and returning to fuedalism. The question is then: can socialism have democracy (which is liberal) with out that contradiction? Some of us think, yes it can (for diversity of reasons) and I think everybody discussing it at this moment does. But there are others who aren't posting right ag this moment but who do post in this thread, that think : no it can't. This is what I mean by a conflict.

To reclarify: the initiating event of this was the impunity of the South Bend cops and Pete Buttegeig blowing off that community until it became politically inconvenient.

A liberalism that hems and haws about police transparently brutalizing outgroups as happens across the US is nothing but despotism with a marketing budget. Mayor Pete has a problem where South Bend cops are savage toward their citizenry. His solution as president is that once you've been brutalized on the local and state level, and you see fit to give him the highest office in the land, the feds at least won't hit you with simple possession. That maybe, while inside, you will be spared the NutraLoaf--although we wouldn't want to deny officials' Freedom to apply it punitively! And a handful of tax credits and Opportunity Zones, themselves gamed to the dime and square foot respectively, to season the gruel.

Meanwhile in motherfucking Real America that matters a hell of a lot more than South Bend, the police are in organized gangs like The Reapers, The Regulators, and The Banditos who defend each other if citizens raise a complaint:

https://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me-fbi-investigating-sheriff-20190711-story.html

And the only reason the FBI is looking into them is because they savage rookies with naive consciences who do not join one of them. The only reason The Reapers aren't in South Bend is because nobody gives a gently caress about South Bend.

so: gently caress liberals. gently caress anyone who sees this state of affairs and declares themselves moderate in relation to it. That it's basically fine minus some tax credits to take the heat off the day and an exploratory commission to fact-find about the police killing five years ago. They are the enemy as surely as 3%'ers. They're worse. I would take a grain of an earnest Oathkeeper's opposition over a sackful of a liberal's false sympathy. They both lead to the same place, and the leaner meat makes me fart less.

Willie Tomg
Feb 2, 2006
If I meditated for a week on how to best inflame the most organized and militant sects of the american right wing while doing nothing whatsoever to empower the people who'd necessarily resist them I sincerely could not do better than "Opportunity Grants for black entrepreneurs as a response to police brutality"

Willie Tomg
Feb 2, 2006

Cerebral Bore posted:

This might be the lowest point of your already abysmal level of reading comprehension. Congrats, I guess?

Sure, because words meant things in the written form of communication prior to liberalism :jerkbag:

Willie Tomg
Feb 2, 2006
I thought it was pretty rich when the first round debates turned into a referendum on forced bussing with a cop acting the face for a few days before her heel turn, but now we're at Slavery? Pobody's Nerfect!

Liberalism is a developmental disability and if its adherents cannot be whipped into place then the fascists deserve their win by TKO.

Willie Tomg
Feb 2, 2006

Skex posted:

I don't understand why it is that "leftists" don't seem to grasp that there is a force in human motive that has consistently been opposed to any change no matter how good it is and that short of just straight murdering them all

I mean...

Willie Tomg
Feb 2, 2006

BrandorKP posted:

Yes he has hosed up pretty bad on this. I thought he'd break in the other direction. He may yet, but it's not going to happen in this primary.

But that second question (socialism and democracy) is the interesting one anyway. It's also not new. It's from Germany in the thirties. Many of the fault lines in these threads aren't new and the arguements certainly aren't. Where do you stand on that one?

This is a bizarre, asserted, just-so conception of socialism as distinct from democracy that does not actually exist. Weimar Germany is an interesting time period though, refresh my memory: who was it made the government with the Nazis in order to shut the left out of power in the Reichstag? I would otherwise generally reiterate Ytlaya's point and I do wonder how often a materialistic conception of political economy needs to be validated again and again and again before a broad acceptance takes hold that things keep happening in observable, repeated, and predictable patterns for fairly reasons.

Willie Tomg
Feb 2, 2006

Pembroke Fuse posted:

KPD collaborated with the NSDAP against the SPD (as did the USSR in general). Its not that clear-cut, which is why a simplified one-size model of politics and society is not that useful. The materialistic argument would be a very big part of a much larger and more complex model (human brains and their flaws are also material in nature).

Crucially, if we were to get in the weeds about it (not that I massively disagree with the details you've added) we'd be talking about a series of events that happened, which were documented in a way and could be discussed. That alone would be a step up. We would not be microwaving TobleroneTriangular's gimmick with a twist of The Gap In Pre-Freedom History.

Willie Tomg
Feb 2, 2006
Honestly I'd be 100% cool with a hypothetical Williamson administration that didn't try to gently caress around with the CDC and NIH, even if her equally hypothetical nomination would be a total poo poo show with most of America not having been inured as I was with a hippified upbringing to the Crystals and Woo Aesthetic.

Willie Tomg
Feb 2, 2006

Condiv posted:

https://twitter.com/thedailybeast/status/1149654663773343744

its extremely disheartening to me that warren is finding ways to get around paying her staff

it calls into question her labor friendlyness (which is supposed to be her selling point) when she's pulling this stuff

Stretching a dollar is the only thing the DNC seems to be good at anymore.

TBH a lot of DCCC resentment toward the Justice Dems makes a lot more sense when you realize each of the freshmen represent an opportunity cost of wealthy potential donors untapped and phones unbanked, leaving the grift coffers that much more empty. IMO Pelosi's statements about naivety aren't even about policy or tone so much as frustration that the freshman reps are doing politics instead of fundraising as would be good and proper for their first two terms.

Willie Tomg
Feb 2, 2006

Ytlaya posted:

I wouldn't, because I'm pretty sure she'd just end up doing things in the same way as usual. She's made comments on issues like Israel/Palestine that make me think, if actually in power, that she'd just listen to the advisors/etc.

Her advisors would be the most dovish in the USA in the last 70 years, but also as gentiles take Kabbalah 1000% seriously and earnestly inadvertently start WW3 because of it. I know these people. I know Williamson's people like the Bedouin know sand.

Willie Tomg
Feb 2, 2006

mcmagic posted:

Everything you learn about a candidate from a debate is performative.

You are still responding to Diet Getfiscal in earnest. User loses posting privileges for six months of Forensic Psychiatry.

Willie Tomg
Feb 2, 2006

Cerebral Bore posted:

Can't wait to see the bazillion thinkpieces about how attracting new voters is actually bad and racist somehow.

The DNC and RNC have a rationally vested interest in voter suppression. :waycool:

Willie Tomg
Feb 2, 2006

Main Paineframe posted:

Or turning on a TV to CNN, but who the gently caress has cable these days?

The people who answer strange numbers on their landline, lmao

Willie Tomg
Feb 2, 2006

AsInHowe posted:

Kamala wants to be Hillary, but she seems more like a Jeb.

there are no nonJebs in attendance. everyone's on quaaludes.

Willie Tomg
Feb 2, 2006
im just glad that people who love their health insurance are represented, at last. its been a long road to get here.

Willie Tomg
Feb 2, 2006

Punk da Bundo posted:

Lmao why does Kamala Harris get every question . This is so biased . It’s a pathetic attempt at Harris vs Biden

taken entirely at face value and reading no subtext in his words, trump is about 80% factually correct in his disparagement of CNN.

Willie Tomg
Feb 2, 2006
they do wall street math in new york, joe. sanders is going to tax the people who do wall street math at a rate which is outlined to the ten-thousandth percentage point in his place which he has and you do not as yet.

Willie Tomg
Feb 2, 2006
is anyone actually dumb enough to fall for the "public option" bait and switch again?

Willie Tomg
Feb 2, 2006
i support the audience protesters for gestalt hivemind president in 2020

Willie Tomg
Feb 2, 2006
man the protesters really shot their wad too early, considering this tangent with booker

Willie Tomg
Feb 2, 2006

sexpig by night posted:

I didn't watch, are they really going in on Biden?

SO HARD. It's a feeding frenzy.

Willie Tomg
Feb 2, 2006
if you need to chat to me, joe biden, my eye see queue number is eight five six nine five four three three


or aim, lowercase ecks uppercase ecks underscore joey underscore katana nine zero one five underscore uppercase ecks lowercase ecks

Willie Tomg
Feb 2, 2006

HannibalBarca posted:

haahahahahah 30303030303 wer're so hosed

four more years, folks. four. more. years.

Willie Tomg
Feb 2, 2006
Just so I can keep score accurately

--eating from the garbage: good, admirable, relatable today and throughout history, my not doing so yet is an area for future personal improvement
--raising one's voice when bad things happen: please do not, it gives people panic attacks.

Willie Tomg
Feb 2, 2006

FlamingLiberal posted:

Don't forget that-

-Mayor Butt is cool and good and totally not a glassy-eyed sociopath who will sell us all down the river to stay in office

Well hold on, that's all a value judgment. Maybe that's the case and maybe not, but we can get there in time. I would first like to clear up the apparent referendum about Trash Eating vs. Talking Loud which is normal and not loving weird as hell, in the shift-key politics forum.

Willie Tomg
Feb 2, 2006

Jaxyon posted:

I'm not trying to wield it as a cudgel. It's really wierd that you treat disagreement this way.


I mean I kinda expected that people would just be "well I can see how some people respond that way" but wow was that not the case.

It is truly unfortunate you have a post history on somethingawful. Nevertheless,

Willie Tomg
Feb 2, 2006

Helsing posted:

Great, now you made me google "political ASMR" out of morbid curiosity and now I know that this exists

bro you haven't even begun to gaze into the ASMR abyss

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f4Jf1QDAAbg

Willie Tomg
Feb 2, 2006

Jaxyon posted:

Yes, it is I, the secret Delaney-stan

Ironically--perhaps appropriately?--you have failed the literacy test for posting. It was a bullshit criterion at the time, but your weakness has grown into it.

Jaxyon posted:

I didn't even say

How about instead of saying what you didn't say, you say what you say. Free bonus: when you say what you say, you already said it and when you quote yourself saying it later it makes your argument for you.

Willie Tomg
Feb 2, 2006

Jaxyon posted:

I've been a Sanders fan since before most people here could vote.

Okay, no, but for real:

are you seriously talking about politicians in terms of fandoms reserved for fictional characters?!?!

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Willie Tomg
Feb 2, 2006

Midgetskydiver posted:

The Bernie interview on JRE was really good. He comes across so much better in a relaxed setting where he can actually give a bit of nuance to his proposals and doesn't have to worry about someone trying to bait him into a stupid loving zinger or whatever.

Watching it made me really not want to watch the fake rear end bullshit puppet show debates. What a loving farce those are.

Opening them with the national anthem and a color guard gives away the game too much that the news networks are going for a sportscast feel.

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