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Yeah, having diversity in leadership is good, but having a woman PoC who is a blood gargling psychopath as leader is still bad. Diversity + good politics + ideally a history of executing stuff successfully is ideal. Also, Obama for a third term. Sigh. Literally this is how you get Trump (but eventually more competent), in addition to all the people dying from lack of insurance and underinsurance, at US hands overseas, and the continued disintegration of the economic well being of the majority of Americans.
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Chichevache posted:Yeah, but sometimes that different outlook is from a morkn like Candace Owens who may be a PoC woman, but she advocates the beliefs of "random white dude #7394" or whatever. That's why you're don't just give everyone a pass, you also have to look at what they do and say.
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Jul 31, 2019 18:13
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Nostalgia4Butts posted:i miss having a cool president Me too, man. Me too 
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Jul 31, 2019 18:14
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Nostalgia4Butts posted:i miss having a cool president With a beautiful, normal, family.
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LtCol J. Krusinski posted:What does having a vagina or being something other than white have to do with being qualified I know this isn't a groundbreaking epiphany, but I wish more people would share this mindset. The outward appearance of a candidate may provide life experiences that inform their perspectives and world views, but by no means is this guaranteed. You can have lovely female, LGBTQ, and/or PoC in politics–I am sure we can all find examples of any of these. In selecting a minority candidate, I think in a certain sense there is also a double-edged sword in that any minority candidate who has climbed their way to the establishment stage will have given up their true values in exchange for gaining favors and sucking up to leaders. The degree to which varies, and it can largely be a perception, but take the members of the black community who said Obama was not black enough. How black is Kamala Harris if she's a cop and has professor parents? Or that Julian Castro isn't a fluent Spanish speaker unlike Beto or Booker (ie. is he truly Latino?), when in fact most Latinx in this country likely don't have any formal Spanish-language training. This "otherness" is immeasurable so to use that as a criteria acts solely on feeling and emotion, and not objectivity. I posit that it's an overreaction used by the educated Democrat elite to self-congratulate themselves on overcoming their racial biases. Intersectionality is important, but it should run deeper than the surface representation.
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Jul 31, 2019 18:16
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A Bad Poster posted:That's why you're don't just give everyone a pass, you also have to look at what they do and say. So it's cool if we vote for old white man Bernie instead of PoC woman Copala Harris?
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Jul 31, 2019 18:17
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Every drat day I thank Jeri Ryan for growing a spine and in turn giving the world SuperPresident Barack the Islamic Shock Obama.
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Jul 31, 2019 18:20
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MA-Horus posted:Every drat day I thank Jeri Ryan for growing a spine and in turn giving the world SuperPresident Barack the Islamic Shock Obama. Kenyan as hell. Hope I remember that part correctly.
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Jul 31, 2019 18:26
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LingcodKilla posted:Kenyan as hell. Muslim as all hell
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Jul 31, 2019 18:30
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None of you have a copy of this most important historical document saved?! FOR SHAME. 
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Jul 31, 2019 18:32
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 my grandma gave me this a few years back and i still keep it around
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Oxygenpoisoning posted:I think, unfortunately, that unless they do that they aren’t going to beat whatever centrist oozes to the top. I think there is enough people leaning their way to put one of them on top, but they are literally splitting the vote. and cripple the message as a whole. So the funny thing is, they're actually not. The lesson that people seem to have forgotten from 2016 is that policy does not matter, and that feelings are far more important than facts. Because of that, even though Warren and Sanders have very similar policy platforms and are farther out to the left than anyone else in the race, their bases of support come from two very different places. For Bernie, he appeals most to those who are looking for a gruff fighter who will shake up Washington and fight for labor—in short, men without college degrees. Warren's base of support, meanwhile, comes from people who love plans and policy—mainly women with college degrees. 2nd choice statistics in many polls show there isn't actually much crossover between the two—the biggest second choice for Bernie voters, for instance, isn't Warren, but Biden, because's the next best fit for "Gruff guy who will fight for labor." It doesn't matter that Biden's policies are as far from Bernie's as they can be, because what matters instead is loose perception and pre-existing beliefs. If anything, what I think last night's debate showed why it's so important for both Bernie and Warren to be in the race. Throughout the night, progressive policies like Medicare for All were attacked relentlessly by both the moderators (seriously gently caress those ridiculously slanted questions) and the centrist quartet of Hickenlooper, Delaney, Ryan, and Bullock. In response, Warren and Bernie were able, together, to mount an effective and passionate defense of these policies (With some backup support from Williamson). The lesson here is that when you only have one voice advocating for progressive policies, it's easy to ignore—but when you have multiple voices that are supporting and promoting each other, you end up with many more vectors with which to get the message out, which can appeal to many different kinds of people. and in the end warren and bernie can just pledge their delegates to the other one anyway depending on who's gonna win to avoid a centrist splitting the vote 'cause delagates are awarded proportionally in the primaries, it's called strategy bitches
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LingcodKilla posted:With a beautiful, normal, family.
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I just want the turds like Bullock, Delaney, Hickenlooper, and Ryan to drop out already. The sooner we get down to people that can actually win the better.
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Vasudus posted:I just want the turds like Bullock, Delaney, Hickenlooper, and Ryan to drop out already. The sooner we get down to people that can actually win the better. i just want more time for people to grill warren on her ideas. she's a fuckin rock who just needs time to win people over and a stage with goddamn Biden
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Jul 31, 2019 18:55
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That's the problem though, they can't. The field has to be way more narrow than it currently is to allow it.
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Jul 31, 2019 18:56
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who is in the race that doesnt represent an area on either the east or west coast talking about thinning the field has me thinking about who besides klobuchar and biden have middle america cred
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Jul 31, 2019 19:00
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Vasudus posted:I just want the turds like Bullock, Delaney, Hickenlooper, and Ryan to drop out already. The sooner we get down to people that can actually win the better. Good news! The third debate has much more stringent requirements, and so far only eight candidates have qualified (Bernie, Biden, Warren, Harris, Beto, Butt, Booker, and Yang). There's a chance it'll get up to ten (Castro has the donations but not the polling, and Klobacher has the polling but not the donations), but, thank Christ, we've pretty much seen the last of Delaney's bullshit and the like.
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Jul 31, 2019 19:02
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Nostalgia4Butts posted:who is in the race that doesnt represent an area on either the east or west coast Buttigieg in theory, though everything about him screams East Coast money.
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I liked how CNN kept asking Delaney questions even though I don't think a single person even clapped for him
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Chichevache posted:Buttigieg in theory, though everything about him screams East Coast money. That's because he was made in a DNC laboratory. Realistically the only people that have a chance of winning are (in no particular ranking order, jesus christ) Biden, Buttigieg, Harris, Sanders, and Warren. I would love it if some Mr. Smith Goes to Washington motherfucker actually existed but that's just fantasy. There's not going to be a realistic situation where that scenario happens, so we have three centrist dems and two left-of-center dems. I honestly don't know which of those five will actually pull it off, or if any of them will take the second place prize as VP. edit: and of the entire list of dem candidates, the one I'm actually mad about is Beto. RUN FOR TEXAS SENATE AGAIN YOU FUCKER.
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Nostalgia4Butts posted:who is in the race that doesnt represent an area on either the east or west coast
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quote:But all is not well with the rally. The problem with holding a QAnon event in Washington is that many QAnon believers are convinced that the entire capital is riddled with Masonic symbols, especially on the Mall. That makes it difficult for organizers to find a place that has both patriotic significance and isn’t considered a symbol of a demonic cabal, and they haven’t succeeded this time. Hell yeah.
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That's the guy that wants nuclear proliferation right? Still lmaoing at that question, god drat CNN you suck
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Last month when MOAA was pushing for getting offset repeal onto the House NDAA they made a widget for emailing your Congressfuckers. I used it on June 22nd. I got a reply today from Mooney (R-Carpetbagger) that was as generic a form letter as it gets. Didn't even mention the issue.
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Acebuckeye13 posted:Good news! The third debate has much more stringent requirements, and so far only eight candidates have qualified (Bernie, Biden, Warren, Harris, Beto, Butt, Booker, and Yang). There's a chance it'll get up to ten (Castro has the donations but not the polling, and Klobacher has the polling but not the donations), but, thank Christ, we've pretty much seen the last of Delaney's bullshit and the like. If you live in the Twin Cities area Klobuchar has people out asking for a "dollar and a signature" in downtown Minneapolis and Saint Paul as well as on area campuses. I watched with a little bit and other than ignoring them the only other response they got was "why?"
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These people are a classic example of terrible things the internet has caused. Mainly by allowing that many mentally ill people to contact each other and reinforce their own hosed up belief systems.
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Thought about this tweet a lot https://twitter.com/internethippo/status/881161169469403137
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Suicide Watch posted:I know this isn't a groundbreaking epiphany, but I wish more people would share this mindset. The outward appearance of a candidate may provide life experiences that inform their perspectives and world views, but by no means is this guaranteed. You can have lovely female, LGBTQ, and/or PoC in politics–I am sure we can all find examples of any of these. Jesus Christ dude, ruling out any non white non male by default because if a woman or minority is competitive, they must have given up values (but white men are trustworthy)? Anyone who sees value in non white non male representation is virtue signalling? Anyone who takes life experiences of a minority into consideration is "too emotional" instead of "objective?"
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Acebuckeye13 posted:So the funny thing is, they're actually not. This is good stuff. "Check my website for my policy position" is what got us trump. Aparatchicks dont turn out the vote. People are idiots and vote with their gut and maybe some dumb thing they saw in an attack ad.
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If you think Warren is going to end up pledging delegates to Bernie in a three-way tie, you have a promising future in politics and I would be more than happy to serve as a well-paid consultant to your campaign.
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A left candidate has to win on first vote at convention other wise they're going to get turbofucked by superdelegates.
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Nick Soapdish posted:Me too, man. Me too quote this if you laugh at gore's cock every time
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Jul 31, 2019 20:33
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Hey, guess what's somehow worse then pedophilia? Whatever the hell this is!quote:Jeffrey E. Epstein, the wealthy financier and accused sex trafficker, had an unusual dream: He hoped to seed the human race with his DNA by impregnating women at his vast New Mexico ranch. https://www.nytimes.com/2019/07/31/business/jeffrey-epstein-eugenics.html
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Proud Christian Mom posted:A left candidate has to win on first vote at convention other wise they're going to get turbofucked by superdelegates. It's not even the superdelegates, the left candidate, i.e, Bernie, is going to get turbofucked by any remaining candidates. As far as Warren goes, the fact that legendary centrist shits Third Way went from posting terrible op-eds in the WSJ about how Elizabeth Warren's plan to raise taxes on the wealthy was a terrible idea to quietly acknowledging her as the current soul of the Democratic party, while the only things that changed are Warren adopting some of Bernie's policy ideas. If the lanyard wearing dipshits who are only incrementally left when it comes to social issues that poll well and are Republicans on everything else are suddenly counting her as an ally, that's suspicious as hell. EBB posted:quote this if you laugh at gore's cock every time gently caress, guilty
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https://twitter.com/1984to1776/status/1156260010994864139?s=20 “Get drunk and turn the wave magnitude to maximum level,” is a phrase best imagined as being read by Sean Penn as Jeff Spicoli from Fast Times at Ridgemont High.
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BigDave posted:Hey, guess what's somehow worse then pedophilia? Whatever the hell this is! Don't tell people eugenics isn't real or they'll accuse you of bias
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