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Deathy McDeath posted:Pour one for a real defender of freedom, P. Barnes ACABEPB All cops are bastards except P Barnes (PBUH)
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People who get off to having power. Police in the US need to have more centralized certification and training and to re-professionalize
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Jul 27, 2019 17:54
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Melthir posted:They literally do though, as a volunteer fire fighter I've seen them over and over no matter what town I've been stationed in. Dudes take the extra time to listen and talk. Dont run around in a brodozer. Its generally the guys in the mid 30s or younger. Just because they don't support your bullshit fantasy doesn't mean they are not out there and common enough. It’s easier to think that police in the US are reactionary and lovely because they’re mustache twirling sociopaths rather than realize that our society creates a system where decent “normal” people become cops yet grow to do and tolerate horrible poo poo because our system and culture both inside and outside law enforcement is so hosed and almost any human being would fall into those patterns, no matter how woke you think you are. The former let’s you have a smug sense of superiority and a hate boner, the latter is a lot more disturbing since you don’t get to give yourself a pass, since almost anyone would eventually give in to the social pressure and continue the cycle. But the solution lies in dismantling and re-building the system, not thinking that somehow the only problem is that all cops are violent psychopaths that are nothing like you.
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Jul 30, 2019 09:10
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Professor Bling posted:hey guess what I mean when I say "all cops are bastards" and maintain that there's no such thing as a good cop I like scrawling ACAB on bathroom stalls as much as the next guy but the point I’m making is that it furthers the problem by implying that the issue is that cops are automatically lovely themselves rather the system that takes typically naive and well meaning people and then molds them into lovely people.
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Jul 31, 2019 06:41
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IMHO from my very, very short police career the two big fixes are a real system of actual federal oversight (not even just what the Obama admin FBI was doing by actual kinda sorta sometimes hold departments accountable, but an actual dedicated federal oversight of training and police culture beyond the very limited powers of the FBI OCR). This should also cover the hiring and disciplinary process so that tracking misconduct actually ensures that criminal cops don't get jobs elsewhere or skate by in lovely departments once their crimes are forgotten. Second and also expensive to take a page from the British and have cops be partnered up whenever possible. Having cops operate alone both just seems ridiculous to me and asking to create situations that even when handled "properly" can still result in preventable use of lethal force or cause injury. This is especially so when it comes to dealing with the mentally ill or any situation involving a weapon like a knife. I'd also like to create a system where cops/police leadership were elected or at least more directly accountable to local community organizations that they'd actually be patrolling rather than a distant political entity that sees all lower class and minority neighborhoods as zones of occupation but lol at that happening even though the first two are already unrealistic and this last one ain't happening anytime before we somehow create a libertarian socialist paradise and dismantle all the hosed up power structures in our current iteration of the US.
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Aug 1, 2019 17:47
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Melthir posted:Bullshit, thats a loving strawman from hell. You are not responsible for someone else's actions. Uhhhhhh, you're absolutely responsible for other's actions when you're a cop. Maybe not often legally liable in the US, but morally. You are very much accountable for your co-workers actions in any profession like this from medicine, the military, or law enforcement.
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Aug 1, 2019 17:53
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Also gently caress any police union I'm aware of with an AIDS dick, police unions ought to be loving abolished and replaced with like a wider-net public safety union that's going to focus on actually ensuring cops get good training and pay rather than "MAGA 2020" and protect lovely officers. Ironically, and probably in only my case, my short time as a cop probably started me down the path of more left leaning ideas, seeing how common racism was (a lot of white trash assume that any white cop is also racist), seeing how non-evidenced based policing is, how unfair the court system is, and most of all how dangerous right wing extremists were. Sovereign citizen and right wing militia types are by far and away most dangerous cop killers, they shoot cops all the time, I don't think there has been a successful left or black nationalist cop shooting besides the one-off in Dallas since the civil rights era. Butter Activities fucked around with this message at 21:46 on Aug 1, 2019 |
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Aug 1, 2019 21:39
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AreWeDrunkYet posted:None of that refutes that becoming a police officer necessarily means you are the cudgel for those regressive and racist policies. If you're not disagreeing that political forces create misguided enforcement priorities, why would you excuse someone who signs up to do that dirty work - again, even if they are doing it in the cleanest way possible on the surface? When a police department - whether at the behest of the city council or state legislature, or just on its own initiative - tells its cops to frisk a bunch of kids in minority neighborhoods, or ratchets up burglary enforcement while turning a blind eye to much more impactful white collar fraud, or rounds up piles of low level street drug offenders while allowing pharmaceutical employees to do far worse, or violently infiltrates and breaks up left leaning protests, or you name it in terms of enforcement priorities dictated by race and class rather than public safety, what possible action can an individual officer take to avoid perpetuating these things? If you don't value your career, a lot. Otherwise, very little.
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Aug 2, 2019 22:11
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Chichevache posted:Sounds like the kind of cop most of this forum would want. The "no blue falcon" mentality is why so many cops cover for other cop's poor behavior. No, they’re loyal each other and sycophants to the COC while loving over enlisted marines for doing 25 in a 24. MP/MAs are the worst
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Aug 6, 2019 07:16
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Chichevache posted:Do... do the marines have 24 mph zones on their bases? No, I meant that as a joke about how both anal retentive and bad at their job they are. Like JayZ “you were doing 55 in a 54
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Aug 6, 2019 08:35
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There was a Sergeant Major in Pendleton that was famous for trying to stop ambulances running code from speeding on “””””HIS””””” road. This was during the height of the Iraq war. The daywalker, lol I heard he got fat and sells cds of himself calling cadence outside the MCX now.
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Aug 6, 2019 20:50
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Crakkerjakk posted:Oh gently caress, if this is the same guy I think he was my 1st Sgt in boot. loving lol. Yup Also horse arrest wtf jfc no way that was a mistake.
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Aug 7, 2019 03:57
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Horses have always been the go to for crowd control. It’s popular everywhere because it works at deterring violence. No one wants to gently caress with horses even though if things got bad the horses would be useless. You see them in virtually every country. Plus horse cops look less aggressive and are less likely to inflame tensions or send a message that shits about to get violent than a kitted our riot squad with jackboots and truncheons. For whatever reason it doesn’t send the message that the cops are here to crack skulls. You know unless they’re dragging a black man on a rope behind them 
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Aug 7, 2019 07:32
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Chichevache posted:Like, worse than the average person in America by being statistically more white supremacist? Or worse morally than the it is for an average person to be white supremacist? From my experience, it's about the same as the general population. It's just that a nazi cop is way more destructive and the clost-knit "thin blue line" culture and policing being ironically one of the only professions with strong unions means that they're tolerated so long as they keep the thinest veneer of plausible deniability, and there isn't really any counterweight to racist cops in the culture of most law enforcement. Most of the problems come from not so much cops screaming n____ but other stuff. Blackkklansman actually was a great example, while the department is like best case scenario in terms of being against racism, the relatively progressive Chief still has racist attitudes toward blacks (ie our local blacks are the "good ones," don't let those out of town panther types put bad ideas into their heads) and spent way more effort worrying about leftist/black extremism rather than racist extremism. It's a sort of subconscious, insidious systemic racism that's the issue. There was some study I think that involved white/black implicit association tests that a relatively forward thinking police department in Colorado (IIRC) released, and at the sample they used showed that the police were slightly less subconsciously racist then the general population. It's just that the general population is ... very subconsciously racist. One explanation though is cops are probably more likely to regularly have interactions with a more diverse set of people than most Americans, which would dampen that response that the IAT looks for. Of course, the police officer data is taken from a department that actually allowed this study to happen... which probably makes it one of the most "liberal" departments in the country. Here's a really similar study: http://www.csun.edu/~dma/Correll,%20Hudson,%20Guillermo,%20&%20Ma%20(2014).pdf Butter Activities fucked around with this message at 14:48 on Aug 8, 2019 |
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Aug 8, 2019 14:38
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Fun. Anyway, I'd hypothesize that white nationalist/adjacent cops tend to congregate into certain departments/units, so you'll have a really uneven spread. That by itself will also limit detection, since all the people who might know enough to report it and provide credible evidence don't care. At least where I worked for a short time any sort of overt racism was generally disapproved of, but there was at least one guy everyone knew was a bigot (one guy was like, "if he sees a black driver and a white driver, you know which one he's gonna pull over") but generally the attitude was as long as he keeps his mouth shut there's nothing anyone can do/it doesn't matter. By himself, it's business as usual, at least by our low American standards for police behavior. But you have a small unit made up of guys like that, or a very small department, and things get scary quick. (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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Aug 8, 2019 21:21
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Since apparently reading comprehension is a weak point for everyone here, let me be really loving clear: At no point in my post did I condone or state that I did nothing or tolerated it myself. I quit my loving job not long after that. I’m no longer a cop. I work in healthcare FFS. While I was there did talk about it to several people, all of who had that “he sucks, but he’s an okay cop” reaction. I’m not sure what exactly you moral giants here could have done better than I did given that all I had was vague rumors, mostly secondhand and my own intuition. This guy was at some points directly responsible for training new patrol officers, which I was at the time. And I still spoke up. And I ended up facing hostility and distrust from him and his friend, many of whom were my supervisors. Which also contributed to my leaving that field entirely. Please tell me how you ideologically pure saints would have handled the situation. Or are we going to loving probate everyone here who had a racist superior that they didn’t summarily execute? Please point me to where I said I tolerated it myself. I told to the story because the problem is that most cops are not “racist” most will do loving nothing about racists. That was my point. Goddamn. But I’m sure you’ve all sacrificed more than me in situations where you try to go against an entrenched organizational culture where you’re the junior guy. Nobody here seems to want to participate in good faith, even the moderation apparently.
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Aug 9, 2019 05:10
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Yeah, that’s exactly what I eventually did. I did not handwave it away, I said it was common and culturally accepted with the police and standard practice in US LEO culture. That’s like the opposite of hand waving it away or accepting it. Yet somehow I get probated for saying “yeah, low key racism is common” yet the guys here who say they’ve never seen it get a pass? The gently caress? Butter Activities fucked around with this message at 05:32 on Aug 9, 2019 |
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Aug 9, 2019 05:28
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Chichevache posted:Yeah, he's an idiot. What's your point? I’m pretty sure you’re the guy who said they’ve never seen much racism with any of the guys you’ve worked with. Since nobody feels the need to be civil to me I’m just gonna say you’re full of poo poo and I don’t believe you if you’re the guy I’m thinking of. 45 ACP CURES NAZIS posted:there is literally a cop in this thread talking about how racism isn't a problem except we did have this one dude that loved to write tickets for black people and no we never did anything about it Wow, yikes, how awful, where did I say that? In fact where was I not literally saying the opposite of that?
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Aug 9, 2019 07:15
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bulletsponge13 posted:I didn't say kill him. Go back and look at my posts in response- I said it was a perfect example of the institutional racism of LEOs. Thank you. However, you’re not one of the people who insulted me and stamped my account with a “RACIST” probe because they either can’t read or expect me to loving shoot myself in the head because I wasn’t able to, years ago, before I was even that aware of concepts like systemic racism, singlehandedly fix an entire department as one of the most junior members.
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Aug 9, 2019 07:50
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Sorry for my tone, I was pretty irritated and I’m still sleep deprived from moving to night shift. I’ll probably take a break for a bit until I’m in a better frame of mind to talk about this.
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Aug 9, 2019 16:12
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Mr. Nice! posted:McNally could also give you another 6er to explain that he was wrong on that one. He blew off my PM yesterday and hasn’t responded at all here so I don’t think he thinks he’s wrong. Whatever.
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Aug 10, 2019 05:06
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Comrade Blyatlov posted:I've never understood why 6ers generated angry pms. I think it’s reasonable for me to be annoyed given how I was dogpiled and insulted by people who either can’t read or have an absolutely impossible standard of behavior for anecdotes from literally years ago. Being too high and mighty too apologize much less respond i think is also pretty silly. I seriously doubt most of the people here would have dared to even bring it up, much less changed careers over that. It made my last few weeks there miserable too.
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Aug 10, 2019 05:34
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McNally posted:Yeah, I misread the post. My bad, man. Thank you. I appreciate that.
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Aug 10, 2019 07:03
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I think it’s an artifact from the fact that police authority is an extension of state law while EMS was effectively created by the federal DOT from the get go. Nowadays with our political climate no way states give up training/certification even though criminal law, use of force and police procedures are mostly universal and based upon federal rulings. Even though it would make more sense for at least the police training that isn’t about criminal law to be nationally standardized. At the end of the day though I think the best solution is radical reform. At the very least cops should have ties and accountability directly to the people they patrol, and very low level formalized community organizations for each neighborhood or city block that have some actual ability to impact policy and hiring.
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Aug 10, 2019 14:36
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Doc Hawkins posted:This used to be how advanced and powerful states: systems of justice and policing were mostly devolved to local clans, usually councils of elders. There's a guy named Ocalan who wrote about what a modern non-imperialisy version of this might look like, with respect for all hatfields and mccoys, even those that live in each other's towns. It was a matter of some interest to him, since he's Kurdish (and has been in a Turkish prison for years). a bunch of de facto "kurdistani" cities are really into him. Rojava (where Ocalan is basically the head of state in exile) basically still has police though. And there basically isn’t a modern country that doesn’t have some kind of police system. So I think it’s really just the execution Crakkerjakk posted:And of course, elites currently use police for their advantage. That's explicitly how quite a bit of the current system is set up. The confederalist system is kinda all about municipalism, so there isn’t any one way it would work beyond each major area runs law enforcement and policy whatever way the local council decides so long as it generally follows their principles. I think police are basically a reflection of the people who control the government, so if you have a broadly authentic democracy, you generally have good police. I was talking to a German cop and while German cops actually generally have more leeway for search and seizure there isn’t really any of the issues we have over here (according to him anyway) because most Germans actually feel like the police are held accountable, there is mutual trust, and are a beneficial institution. In pretty much every country that’s broadly egalitarian most people seem to trust the police rather than see them (and the police see themselves) as an occupying force or just defenders of “order” and private property. You gotta remember that like 45% of Americans support a man who said that cops should physically abuse handcuffed suspects because it’s funny. America had the police America wants and deserves- white Americans anyway.
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Aug 18, 2019 07:45
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mlmp08 posted:This is very worth a read, and it's quick. Wait why did you post the same tweet twice
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Aug 18, 2019 14:58
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mlmp08 posted:What? That’s not a tweet. I was a making a joke Implying the news tweet was itself a guide to being ambiguous.
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Aug 19, 2019 03:28
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Portland police are basically a fascist paramilitary org at this point, given they continue to literally provide intel and special access to fascists.
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Aug 20, 2019 08:03
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Lmao. Don’t worry though, they’re about to declare that being anti fascism is terrorism. I’m sure they’ll get around to declaring right wing terrorism kinda a problem any day now though. That’s why I’m both pro hate speech controls like they have in Germany but against it only here in the US right now. The only people who will be actually prosecuted for hate speech will be those speaking against actual hate speech.
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Aug 20, 2019 09:42
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What the gently caress
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Aug 26, 2019 15:41
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The loving judge in that case basically hemmed and hawwed over the victim "not being credible" and said that there was misconduct on her part due to "offering a bribe" aka being raped.
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Aug 30, 2019 12:34
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Grem posted:Yea, blame the founding fathers for that bullshit. Ben Franklin was cool tho
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Sep 4, 2019 17:41
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Wasabi the J posted:Can of worms but I just found out how racist been Franklin really was. Ah gently caress real life sucks.
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Sep 5, 2019 21:19
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Ghandi though was ultimately just a piece of poo poo who co-opted anti colonialism in order to advance Hindu nationalist ideas. MLK for example on the other hand despite being a lovely person in his personal life still drove a noble cause and actually managed to at least push the US to enforce a degree of nominal legal equality. A lot of people who did great things were lovely people day to day but I think we can still separate what they stood for and accomplished from the flesh and blood. But yeah it’s important to remember that they’re far from perfect. But in a way, it’s kinda empowering to know that despite MLK being a flawed guy he still did great things.
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Sep 6, 2019 00:30
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PinheadSlim posted:Is Donut Operator a respectable guy? I think I remember him on Youtube vaguely defending the officer who shot Daniel Shaver but seeing Donut pop up all over Youtube lately it makes me wonder if I'm remembering wrong. He’s a bootlicker, I used to follow him after I saw some unrelated to politics video but immediately started seeing lovely blue lives matter trash and noped out. He might hide it more nowadays but he’s probably a chud.
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Sep 11, 2019 06:00
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PinheadSlim posted:I spent some time trying to find out for myself, and yeah he's still a bootlicker. It's frustrating to see someone who claims to be the "honest, objective, good guy" when the only bad actors he calls out are civilians. Funny enough I ran into him on Reddit years ago where he mentioned something like he “learned a lot in SEAL training” not technically lying but obviously trying to be coy. When users from a small subreddit that’s a few team guys and a bunch of wannabes linked it they pressed him and turns out he eventually effectively admitted he just DOR’ed in BO or phase (like me!) but didn’t wanna own up to it and wanted people to think he was some kind secret squirrel without technically lying. Trust me, you don’t learn a lot of tactical knowledge during 1st phase besides that having skin on your hands, rear end and where your belt rests is preferable, water is cold and boats don’t belong on heads.
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Bored As gently caress posted:Even as a LEO, this seems way too loving convenient for Guyger (maybe a try for an appeal without a KEY witness?), and the circumstances are suspicious as gently caress. It’s not anything for her. My guess is that it’s a ex-cop or kkk type sending a message. I’m leaning away from current cop since they would have a lot more tools with much less risk. Who wants to bet the investigation goes nowhere while the DPD owns it.
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Oct 6, 2019 20:15
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Vincent Van Goatse posted:Like, just to put this in perspective, I'm still leery about believing there was a conspiracy to kill Epstein (I mean, apart from a conspiracy of incompetence and just not caring if a pedo got ganked in jail), but I absolutely believe that poor witness dude was killed by some cop or a shitbag coploving vigilante. I don’t think it was an active cop because if you’re that crooked if would have been a lot easier to frame him up or something like that. Even with like the Serpico case when corruption was even worse they just set him up in a dangerous situation to let drug dealers do the actual deed. My moneys on an vigilante, probably an older ex-cop mad that poo poo isn’t quite as racist as it used to be. I mean you can’t ignore the base rate that sometimes murders just happen but given how rare a regular dude with no criminal history getting murdered for no apparent “typical” motive is I’d put it at 50/50 at least that this a hit. It’s like the worst of the old school cop by day KKK by night poo poo coming back. Just loving scary. And god think how scary it’s gotta be for Jeans’s family now.
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Oct 7, 2019 23:26
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I just find it weird that this guy’s apparently extensive hobby as a drug dealer didn’t come up in the trial. Well maybe I was wrong but it’s still unnerving me a bit.
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45 ACP CURES NAZIS posted:https://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/chief-officers-proud-boys-membership-break-policy-66296876 We have investigated ourselves...
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