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Proud Christian Mom posted:yes i too am puzzled as to why we can't have good spirited discourse concerning our roving death squads roaming death squads are separate from our roaming death drones
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Even with the "good" shoots, anyone would be hard pressed to say every one of those was absolutely necessary to prevent the cop's death. There used to be an idea that cops were doing a necessary job that carried some level of risk for the sake of public safety, but that has gone out of the window for the idea that even the slightest risk to the cop needs to be met with deadly force. Over an average year, cops kill about 1,000 people while about 75 of them are killed (excluding traffic accidents). If even the slightest bit of required added restraint resulted in 10% more cop death but saved 10% of killed suspects, that's still a net savings of 92-93 lives. But of course every cop in the country would be howling about the imposition because the reality is that public safety just isn't a real priority.
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Jul 12, 2019 02:33
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Steezo posted:Or when the clan is engaging in a voter suppression bombing campaign, or the local sheriff is beating poll watchers and stealing ballot boxes to protect incumbents. Isn't the klan an example of an "armed working class" itself though? Not that klan leadership wasn't almost completely overlapping with the political leadership of that area, but plenty of the rank and file were/are just blue collar racists.
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Jul 12, 2019 19:46
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Deathy McDeath posted:Hope this dude is haunted by his memories for life. Hope he gets woken up at night by the imagined sounds of a man sobbing for his life. I hope this man wakes up to sleep paralysis every day and hallucinates a corpse on his hands and knees crawling over his paralyzed body. ”Please don’t kill me” He will wake up smiling every time he remembers the events, and the disability checks will be his boat money when he takes a job with some small town sheriff who sees his murdering past as a resume builder.
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Jul 13, 2019 16:48
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Bored As gently caress posted:Many departments are so short they're making exceptions for 4 year degrees and even if you've smoked weed in the past. A lot of departments are so shorthanded their guys are doing mandatory overtime 1-3 times a week just to cover the bare minimum of bodies. Sure, the drug test is the problem. Perhaps if cops hadn't spent the last few decades alienating the general public by creating a culture where they can attack people with no accountability while hiding behind increasingly militarized gear, there would be a lot more bodies to fill those spots.
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Jul 26, 2019 13:25
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mlmp08 posted:The current admin is using policy and leadership pressure to push the IRS to go after low-income people for stuff like EITC audits rather than pursuing the wealthy. You could catch 100 EITC fraudsters and probably make back less than finding one rich person who honestly fucjed up their taxes, much less intentionally did so. The police suffer from this obvious shortsightedness of priorities too. The police and judicial resources that go to deal with stuff like burglary and shoplifting are waaaay above the time spent investigating and dealing with white collar fraud and wage theft even though those crimes occur on a far larger scale. Is it any wonder that police don't get any respect from the people they are targeting? It's not just because of the prejudices of individual cops (though this plays an enormous role too), but because the system as a whole is designed to protect entrenched capital and power rather than apply justice in anything resembling a fair way. Even the most evenhanded cop who doesn't have a malicious bone in his body and manages to avoid the taint of the corruption in his department is still going to be responsible for the enforcement priorities of his department that are shaped by a lot more than just public safety/good and reinforce systematic inequalities.
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Aug 2, 2019 18:59
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Melthir posted:Not any more then regular Joe is for repeatedly voting in the fuckheads who give us tasking. The poo poo policing in America is a societal problem. People refuse to pay what a good officer is worth. Refuse to pay for good training and then bitch incessantly about the outcomes when the political parties use LEOs like clubs to try to shape the system in there favor. None of that refutes that becoming a police officer necessarily means you are the cudgel for those regressive and racist policies. If you're not disagreeing that political forces create misguided enforcement priorities, why would you excuse someone who signs up to do that dirty work - again, even if they are doing it in the cleanest way possible on the surface? When a police department - whether at the behest of the city council or state legislature, or just on its own initiative - tells its cops to frisk a bunch of kids in minority neighborhoods, or ratchets up burglary enforcement while turning a blind eye to much more impactful white collar fraud, or rounds up piles of low level street drug offenders while allowing pharmaceutical employees to do far worse, or violently infiltrates and breaks up left leaning protests, or you name it in terms of enforcement priorities dictated by race and class rather than public safety, what possible action can an individual officer take to avoid perpetuating these things? AreWeDrunkYet fucked around with this message at 21:39 on Aug 2, 2019 |
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Aug 2, 2019 21:35
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Chichevache posted:The city council can't just order cops to stop and frisk black kids. The chief or sheriff doesn't show up to briefings and say "today we are targeting Puerto Ricans and Cambodians". They can create laws and policies which give bad or racist officers the opportunity to harass or target minorities. Good cops still have the discretion to not do those things. Any time one of us is holding the job instead of some George Zimmerman wannabe, that's a cop who isn't going to use his discretion to harass good people. Is there a meaningful difference between (a) local politicians adopting a stop and frisk policy, then police leadership adopting stop and frisk quotas and concentrating police in minority neighborhoods and (b) just ordering them to go out and harass minorities? When voters want to crack down on drugs, elect politicians who promise to crack down on drugs by supporting police, and the leadership in those police departments then directs resources to make a show out of a bunch of arrests, which results in a bunch of people accepting felony pleas and ruining their lives, what discretion does the cop in the middle of that chain of events really have? Police are the enforcement arm of policy that contributes to systematic inequality even with the most generous possible assumptions about the actions of any individual cop. Chichevache posted:As far as white collar fraud, that's kind of outside the purview of local departments. Don't get me wrong, I'd love to see NYPD busting down doors in Wall Street and arresting bankers which have harmed communities far more than any drug dealer, but that kind of thing is more of an alphabet soup jurisdiction. I've got no clue how to begin doing forensic accounting. Get our politicians to close the revolving door between the IRS, FBI, and other white collar cop houses and the same groups they're supposed to police. But it doesn't have to be that way, the NYPD could be doing that. If white collar fraud and wage theft and that other sort of semi-legalized crime was a priority for politicians and police departments, they could shift their focus and build capabilities. There are plenty of state laws being broken, and the relative lack of spending at the local level on enforcing that sort of property crime instead of property crime more often committed by other types of people has a lot more to do with class and race than a genuine interest in the public good.  None of this has anything to do with an individual police officer of course. As you say, if your supervisor tells you to chase down burglaries you can't exactly going to start digging around mortgage fraud. Which again points to a systematic problem with policing that even the best of police officers can't begin to solve.
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Brute Squad posted:is it alright to giggle at some of the seemingly bad weapon handling? The funniest thing may be that they all look basically identical, put away the badges and it's clearly a gaggle of cops from blocks away. Why even bother going half-assed plainclothes, just put on a proper uniform and interact with the community.
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Liquid Communism posted:Were I a judge, those cases would be getting immediately thrown out for wasting my time and public resources. The same judges who got elected by showing how tough on crime they can be as prosecutors?
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Tythas posted:Coast Guard are good people they don't attack and murder people Something like 15% of their operational budget is dedicated to drug enforcement, another 5% for immigration enforcement.
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Jun 21, 2020 00:18
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Are bomb dogs "real"? They don't seem to be used as much for intimidation and random searches, so is it just voodoo for the sake of it?
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Jul 4, 2020 01:42
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I'd like to see a pike formation. Not like they're hard to make, hardware stores are open.
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Jul 28, 2020 08:37
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SpaceSDoorGunner posted:Portsmouth VA police have now also charged the vice mayor with a misdemeanor who talked about firing the police chief for charging a State senator with a felony as well as a bunch of local black community leaders. https://twitter.com/GrantBrisbee/status/1010240159642578944
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Godholio posted:Am I missing something? Because it seems to say the bullet that hit the cop didn't have sufficiently identifiable marking to tie it to any particular gun. Right, the report says they can't prove who shot the cop. The Kentucky AG is claiming definitively that Walker shot the cop.
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https://twitter.com/will_doran/status/1322609416173244416 https://twitter.com/natfrum/status/1322644016945635332 AreWeDrunkYet fucked around with this message at 22:11 on Oct 31, 2020 |
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Oct 31, 2020 22:09
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Godholio posted:It seems like this would be easy to clear up, since they recovered the other bullets fired by the cops into all the other apartments, right? Are they all 40? Or are there 9mm mixed in? Yeah I know, they're stonewalling. When someone is obviously tampering with evidence like this, the legal standard is to just assume the least charitable version of events. Seems like a reasonable approach here.
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PeterCat posted:The police shouldn't be allowed to have guns. This is true, but I'd settle for a locked rifle that requires extensive paperwork if touched.
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Dec 29, 2020 19:58
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ded posted:he already said the magic words that get a cop out of anything The fun extension of that is "feared for my life" an excuse to attack/kill people even if the cop created the situation that caused them to "fear for my life". They can start a fight and justify shooting someone if they find themselves on the losing side of it.
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As someone points out in the replies, that's excessive force even if they're arresting a serial killer. AreWeDrunkYet fucked around with this message at 07:28 on Feb 21, 2021 |
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Melthir posted:It also saved a life. And I understand that and on this one I'm ok with the outcome. If other video pops up that shows the officer lurking around while this situation was escalating and not taking action then my opinion on this event will change. Even if the cop tried to do something that didn't involve shooting a child and failed to stop the stabbing, a stabbing is still way, way less likely to be lethal than several gunshots center mass.
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Apr 21, 2021 16:27
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ruddiger posted:Word is she’s the one who called the cops and had the knife to protect her from a group of people who wanted to assault her. Turns out it's hard to get an idea of what's going on if you just run in and start blasting. Who would have thought.
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Apr 21, 2021 16:29
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ruddiger posted:lol if you think you’re getting a good nights sleep after shooting a kid. quote:In the class recorded for “Do Not Resist,” Grossman at one point tells his students that the sex they have after they kill another human being will be the best sex of their lives. The room chuckles. But he’s clearly serious. “Both partners are very invested in some very intense sex,” he says. “There’s not a whole lot of perks that come with this job. You find one, relax and enjoy it.”
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Apr 21, 2021 16:52
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Doppelganger posted:We put our lives on the line* EVERY DAY, but don’t expect me to like, put myself in harm’s way or something. *usually as a result of driving like an rear end in a top hat or ignoring mask guidelines, but we'll use that as justification to just start shooting when there's a loud noise anyway
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Cops are always trying to find new ways to kill people https://www.washingtonpost.com/health/2021/05/02/police-low-vaccination-rates-safety-concerns/ quote:Police officers were among the first front-line workers to gain priority access to coronavirus vaccines. But their vaccination rates are lower than or about the same as those of the general public, according to data made available by some of the nation’s largest law enforcement agencies.
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LordSloth posted:https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2021/05/18/gabriel-adkins-police-urinating-property
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Catastrophe posted:'You shouldn't be able to breathe,' officer tells man before he dies
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May 22, 2021 12:55
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Most of the principles of interacting with bears apply to the police in the US. Great society we've got going on here. 
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Reminder, ACAB is not regionally limited
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