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amigolupus
Aug 25, 2017

A couple pages back, but it's really annoying how Mookie can't just own up to the fact that he wrote a bad guy with the Ink Witch and is now either retconning poo poo even though it makes no sense (Arudak being the one to send messages in Snout's dreams) or making other people do worse poo poo so the Ink Witch looks better in comparison (Corpsewife physically assaulting Snout). I kind of sort of like Arudak, being the only somewhat decent person in the comic who also has good reason to hate the Ink Witches, so this new reveal sucks.

Also, isn't Corpsewife's soul actually gone, and the one currently occupying her body is that mongrel who had half their flesh torn off? It's really weird that Snout and her have been travelling and that hasn't been addressed at all, not even Snout showing Corpsewife her old body to jog her memories or something.

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amigolupus
Aug 25, 2017

Do take care, The Little Death! Thanks for your read-through and analysis of Mookie's poo poo. I've only noticed Mookie's work starting with Legacy, so your posts have been a huge help in understanding how terrible Mookie is as a writer.

amigolupus
Aug 25, 2017

I sure do love how Snout never even questions whether he should still travel together with this stranger who could assault him at the drop of a hat and makes him feel unsafe. Just gonna sweep all that under the rug because she cries and feels sorry(?) about it.

amigolupus
Aug 25, 2017

Samovar posted:

That's... Actually not bad. Of course the fact that the only thing I've seen of this that is just 'not bad' has nothing to do with what 'story' has been going on so far is pretty indicative.

But, it's not bad.

Does this count for the "almost good, but flubs it at the end" space on the bingo card?

amigolupus
Aug 25, 2017

Oh good, as if the non-consensual nakedcuddling and invading his dreams wasn't bad enough, it looks like the Ink Witch just sexually assaulted Snout with her powers and left him with his rear end up in the air.

amigolupus
Aug 25, 2017

One thing I'm not sure of is whether Corpsemomwife has only lost her memories and is disoriented from it or if she's supposed to have the mental faculties of a small child. Is she even able to comprehend that Snout is teaching her to write because that's their only form of communication? Or is she just copying what Snout put on the paper thinking that he's teaching her to draw strange symbols? It's just weird that they're going straight to this when we haven't even seen Corpsemomwife try to talk with Snout yet.

amigolupus
Aug 25, 2017

It bugs me how Snout went straight to teaching Corpsemomwife how to write rather than teaching her sign language instead. It's been a year and five months since this comic began and we've never seen Snout try to sign at someone, so this could've been the perfect moment for Snout to show Corpsemomwife and readers some basic ASL that they can use to talk with others.

But no, Snout's gonna teach her how to write because Mookie is a lazy hack who refuses to engage with writing a deaf protagonist.

amigolupus
Aug 25, 2017

It's nuts how you only need to make a few changes to make this page better: Change the second panel into nighttime so that there's a better sense of time progression. Add in some cut-ins of Corpsemomwife making progress in learning how to write or Arudak and Ink Witch pointing Snout where he should go so we can tell that things are happening during the walk. Lastly, change the location of the last panel to where Snout needs to be so the story can finally move on.

I don't know if it would be good, but at least it wouldn't feel like such a massive waste of space.

amigolupus
Aug 25, 2017

In a better comic with a competent writer, Snout would look at those plants crumbling into inky pieces and compare it to how Ink Witch always lets him down and that his trust on her is nothing more than a flimsy sham.

amigolupus
Aug 25, 2017

Random guess: Snout will end up injured from the fall, but Corpsemomwife will turn out to be a white mage so there's no tension anyway. And I guess Corpsemomwife can heal by kissing Mookie's ouchies away or something.

amigolupus
Aug 25, 2017

I finally caught up to TLD's breakdown of DD. I've seen people mention the 'heroic rapist' in this thread before, but seeing it in full context is so much worse. Mookie has managed to bumble his way into making this the vilest thing possible with the focus on the rapist's pain, the racism, the misogyny and bit of victim blaming. The fact that this was all planned in advance, and how Mookie immediately got into rapetown as soon as he started the story, is just the cherry on top of this poo poo sundae.

Everyone already covered most of it, but one thing that strikes me is how this backstory shits over Melna's first appearance. Her being a man-hater who punches others at the drop of a hat adds to the "women are hysterical, amirite?" vibes from the rapetown story. And while I know Mookie hasn't planned it at the time, it also makes Melna apologizing to Luna for misunderstanding her relationship with Dominic even more nonsensical. Hearing that Luna would be killed (by herself) and that Dominic saved her and now she owes her entire life to him would've been a massive red flag in Melna's eyes.

As for Melna hugging Stonewater during the concert, I feel like either A) Somebody on the forums saw the previous comic and guessed where Mookie was going with it so Mookie added the hug to throw them off, or B) Since Mookie planned that demonic influence is why people hate poor widdle Stonewater, he thought the hug was some kind of clever clue that something isn't right. Either way, the hug makes no sense since Melna's first thought upon seeing Stonewater was a flashback to the time he raped her.

amigolupus
Aug 25, 2017

I might've missed it, but Snout doesn't even have a compass to help point him east, right?

amigolupus
Aug 25, 2017

I'm sorry about your loss, TLD. I'm glad doing the DD analysis is providing you with a much-needed distraction, but please don't push yourself too much and take breaks every now and then.

Dominic quickly getting mad at others for saying that Stonewater's a rapist and this whole attitude of "That doesn't matter! That all happened in the past so let's sweep it under the rug!" reminds me of how some people act whenever their favorite celebrity gets outed as a sex pest. There's no thought given at all to the victims or their pain, only how the rapists's life is getting destroyed. Since Mookie's perspective seeps through this, it makes me wonder if he still thinks to this day that people who bring up what a rapist did are jerks.

As an aside, maybe it's just my monitor or something, but Dadeegan's skin color looks like a boiled lobster and it's really throwing me off.

amigolupus
Aug 25, 2017

Mookie has a child's understanding of racism. Bad People can only be racists and they show it by using slurs and being mean to orcs. Good People like the Deegans can never be racist. Why, look at how the Deegans have an orc friend in Stonewater, or how Dominic mansplains orc culture to others and cooks orc cuisine without consulting his orc guests, or how Daddeegan got his tribal tattoo by brokering peace between those warring savages tribes despite never learning the language properly.

Nighthand posted:

In a different situation with a different author I would say that creating a fake slur for a fake race that sounds and feels uncomfortable is a good bit of writing for emotional resonance. For Mookie I will absolutely not give praise for it and instead assume he just wanted to see how close to the n-word he could get without getting called out for it.

Agreed. It feels like Mookie was giggling to himself as he came up with as many slurs as possible for the species in Star Power.

Kavak posted:

Rowling gets a lot of deserved poo poo for things in and out of Harry Potter but 'mudblood' feels genuinely uncomfortable and dehumanizing.

And then there's the term "Muggle" for non-magical folk which sounds just as racist and dehumanizing, but it never gets examined at all.

amigolupus fucked around with this message at 09:11 on Jan 3, 2021

amigolupus
Aug 25, 2017

I'm not sure which one's a more disturbing possibility, that Mookie's well-aware that he's drawing what appears to be a bunch of sperm floating around a woman's reproductive system, or that he honestly doesn't know and this is just his hang-ups bleeding through his work again.

Breetai posted:

That is good, actually because what better metaphor for an unfamiliar, unknowable territory for the average Deegan fan than a woman's reproductive system?

And who better to explore it than the gormless soft boy who is unable to comprehend all the intimate cuddleporn time he's had with the Ink Witch and Corpsemomwife.

amigolupus
Aug 25, 2017

Dabir posted:

it's another womb

And with a sleeping Snout right smack dab in the uterus, too. It's kind of amazing/disturbing how the unintentional Oedipal undertones just bleeds through the last couple pages.

amigolupus
Aug 25, 2017

So now that they're in Maltak, what are the odds they're about to meet Stonewater and Melna's descendant? Will they be a racist shaman stereotype who tells writes about what an amazing guy Dominic was, or will they be a new momwife for Snout who he wins as his property?

amigolupus
Aug 25, 2017

There's something disconcerting whenever Mookie draws Snout's stub of a tail wagging. I imagine it moves like this :flaccid:.

amigolupus
Aug 25, 2017

Corpsemomwife's supposed to be a blank slate, so it wouldn't make sense for her to know how to talk, seeing as Snout didn't teach her. But that would require the characters facing any type of adversity or inability to communicate effectively with each other, so of course Mookie would choose the laziest direction this could go.

Also, if that ship is made entirely out of ink then I bet it smells bad inside.

amigolupus
Aug 25, 2017

Guess it's time for even more nothing to happen. Mookie seems to think that you can make a comic entirely out of establishing shots, not that it's a tool you use to quickly show off what a new location is like to readers.

amigolupus
Aug 25, 2017

I was gonna make a joke how the inside of the cockpit must stink to high heaven because Snout and Corpsemomwife haven't had a proper bath in weeks, but then I remembered they got to Maltak within a day or two because Mookie's poo poo at establishing a sense of time passing.

amigolupus
Aug 25, 2017

One thing that annoys me is that you just know Mookie is going to make Corpsemomwife integral to, and I use the term very loosely, plot. She's a blank slate Snout found when he bumbled into a haunted house, so there's no good reason for her to be connected to anything going on other than because Mookie says so.

GlyphGryph posted:

Is there a reason that guy and snout are happy to see each other? It... doesn't really seem like they should be?

It's been ages, but Arudak and Snout have a decent thing going on where Arudak apologized for putting Snout to sleep and they had a moment where Snout revealedd the only reason he's on this legacyquest was because he's "curious". It's a way healthier relationship than how Snout constantly gets abused by Ink Witch.

amigolupus
Aug 25, 2017

I wonder if the only reason we're shown that Arudak has a totally dead girlfriend is because Mookie saw someone post that since Ink With is an abusive rear end in a top hat, Arudak would be a better love interest for Snout.

amigolupus
Aug 25, 2017

So if there's no more battle magic, then how do people defend themselves from monsters or the like? Because of Ink Witch's ship can blow up Snout's house, then it sounds to me like Dominic just made everyone defenseless and vulnerable.

amigolupus
Aug 25, 2017

There's a couple things that really annoy me here. First, because of how Mookie never has an ounce of self-awareness in his writing, he somehow managed to make Dominic getting angry about racism into justifying the racism against orcs. The head seer was the only orc employee in Callan Kingdom and he just assassinated both dance commander and his son, as well as caused a lot of mayhem with his infernomancy powers. In the eyes of Callan, they'd think that proves all their points about those orcs and gives them the perfect excuse to go on some kind of holy crusade. And I don't see the Deegans rushing in to explain any of that to the king.

The second is the sheer hypocrisy of how it treats Stonewater and Siggy's deeds. When other characters mention that Stonewater is 'just a rapist', Dominic is quick to defend him and gets mad at them about it. Yet when the other orc was dancing at the news of Siggy's death and listed out his multiple crimes, Dominic sure as hell doesn't give a gently caress, not even when it pissed off Milov and Jayden.

amigolupus
Aug 25, 2017

So Snout didn't even lose those pages he had despite [REDACTED] and Master Palms clearly knocking him out for it?

Fucks sake, Mookie! Way to remove any fangs your villains may have had in the first place, and they're not even in the drat room for it.

amigolupus fucked around with this message at 05:25 on Mar 1, 2021

amigolupus
Aug 25, 2017

I know Snout wouldn't think it's weird to take a bath with Corpsemomwife because he's a weird little hermit who doesn't even hesitate to sleep naked beside an unconscious woman, but you'd think at least Ink Witch and Arudak would know about social mores and have them take separate turns at the bath.

Mookie wants to play this off as some innocent thing but it just comes across as really loving creepy.

amigolupus fucked around with this message at 06:27 on Mar 3, 2021

amigolupus
Aug 25, 2017

Why would you trust Snout to style your hair? He's a smelly mountain hermit who doesn't take a brush to his rat's nest of a hair. To say nothing of the awful body hair sprouting out of him like kudzu.

Happy Landfill posted:

I just
...I just don't like Snout. He reminds me a bit of Greg, the super-innocent Nice Guy, who also rubbed me the wrong way. I think it's the blank slate, nice boy un-personality, but he also builds couch forts so he's ~☆so random☆~.

I get the feeling Mookie watched Steven Universe with his kid, saw how Steven was this pure, soft boy that a lot of people like online, and wanted to copy that for Snout. Except it's Mookie writing, so Snout ends up being this weird creepy Nice Guy who women keep cuddling naked against his will.

amigolupus
Aug 25, 2017

There's just something viscerally disturbing about Ink Witch's look of lust/adoration/I-got-my-stooge-back while she places Snout's ableist tag on his new outfit. The second most disturbing thing is seeing Snout's wagging tail. Seriously, that thing looks like a vibrating dong. :gizz:

SubG posted:

Ah, a sampling of the different cuisines of the deeganverse: several plates of featureless lumps.

Isn't Snout a plant-eater? Because it doesn't look like he can even eat most of the food on the table.

amigolupus
Aug 25, 2017

The thing is, Snout being excited to sleep in a bed again would be completely reasonable if he spent weeks, maybe even months, roughing it outdoors. But because a day only passes when we see Snout go to sleep, it means it hasn't even been a week in-universe since this comic started.

amigolupus
Aug 25, 2017

It's mindboggling that when Mookie wrote Ink Witch out of the story because someone called him out on writing her as a terrible abuser, he managed to somehow bumble into making a female character that's just as problematic. How can you even write something while putting so little thought into what you're doing? :psyduck:

amigolupus
Aug 25, 2017

Since Snout is exerting a lot some a little minimal effort into translating these books, doesn't that mean he's becoming corrupted and turning evil, as per Mookie standards?

Then again, Snout realizing he'll never learn a thing by sticking with Arudak and Ink Witch and ditching them to be with Redactrix and Palms McGee would be way too interesting a development for this comic.

amigolupus
Aug 25, 2017

GreenMetalSun posted:

I'm calling it - Snout really did learn Orcish in a day and he's got some kind of reading superpower ('magic is gentler now').

Another thing, assuming that Corpsemomwife really is flipping out and screaming non-stop all night, how did Snout not notice before? Even if he can't hear her, wouldn't he sense her movement, if she was thrashing around or having nightares? If she was screaming for hours, there would by physical signs of distress, wouldn't there? Just because he's deaf shouldn't mean he's ignorant/obvious, right?

True. She's cuddling him while he sleeps, so there's no way Snout should miss it if she trashes around from distress. Hell, if she screams for hours while sleeping then Snout should have noticed her rubbing her throat from screaming it raw. It's stupid as hell just how little thought Mookie puts into these things.

amigolupus
Aug 25, 2017

Maybe it's just me reading too much into it, but knowing that Luna gave up her ability to get pregnant to save Maltak and it getting called the Great Rebirth makes the text on the upper-left, "Mountains rose where once the land was flat, rivers returned and hills rolled across the plains once more" sound oddly sexual.

amigolupus
Aug 25, 2017

It amazes me how Mookie seems to think that Dominic screwing with the entire fabric of magic to make it "gentler" is supposed to be read as this heroic last act, and not Dominic throwing a huge temper tantrum and taking away everyone's toys so he can remain the specialest boy ever. I can only imagine how much damage it inflicted in the world, like people suddenly no longer being able to effectively heal injuries, or defend themselves, or the many people's livelihoods being destroyed because their magic didn't work anymore.

It'd never happen, but it would be funny if Dominic neutering magic put his mom out of a job.

amigolupus
Aug 25, 2017

Posting the bingo card again:



We've got like, what, 3 bingos minimum? And to think it took Mookie two years to get anywhere with filling this up.

TheHan posted:

Also I just find it funny that after spending 99% of the original series showing us how so many Callanians were bloodthirsty, racist monsters now the story is “ooh why’s this orc want retribution for centuries old crimes?” As if this isn’t the same Callan that made pacts with Satan(s) to genocide the orcs a little over 200 years ago.

200 years isn't even ancient history! There's no way the orcs would forget that the Callanians were genocidal racists within that span of time, and it's absurd to paint them in the wrong for wanting Callan to pay for its crimes. Did Callan even do anything to make up for the crimes they did against the orcs in DD, or did they just do a perfunctory 'sorry, we did bad' about it?

RoboChrist 9000 posted:

For good people, justice and forgiveness are a process that both begin, but do not end, with the cessation of wrongdoing. For the liberal centrist, the cessation of wrongdoing is the sum-total of justice and all that is necessary for forgiveness. If Callan is not, at this moment, oppressing the Orcs then it is utterly unreasonable for the Orcs to hold them accountable for any and all prior crimes.

It really is the ultimate white man's outlook on justice. lovely Person X already posted an apology for hurting others, so how could all these people still be so mean to him? :(

amigolupus
Aug 25, 2017

'Nobody Mookie likes dies' should be circled, since Ink Witch and Arudak disappeared for a year and then we found out they're perfectly fine and didn't even get hurt by Redactrix and Master Palms.

maltesh posted:

Who is the nameless best character? Ship? The Blood Horror? The Skori Tree? Potion Vendor? Redactor?

The tree, for trying to save us from this trainwreck by killing Snout and then flipping him off.

Edit: gently caress, what a terrible page snipe.

amigolupus
Aug 25, 2017

What does this orc supremacist/plant-people racism poo poo have to do with Dominic's legacy again? Why isn't he just reading Dominic's autobiography or something? You can't tell me Dominic's family wouldn't pay to make a book singing his praises to all these peasants.

amigolupus
Aug 25, 2017

Beelzebufo posted:

A reminder that Snout's whole reason for coming to the "Maltak Union Library" was to get Lucid Dreaming for Dummies by Dominic Deegan.

He has so far failed to do so despite it being his reason for setting off on the journey in the first place.

I know there's an IRL "[X] For Dummies" book series, but it would be completely in-character for Dominic's smug rear end to think anyone who doesn't know how to already do lucid dreaming is an idiot.

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amigolupus
Aug 25, 2017

The way Mookie handles Snout's disability is so upsetting (which isn't a surprise, considering Greg was the butt of ableist poo poo in DD). Mookie is so lazy that he can't even do the bare minimum research on how to write people with hearing disabilities despite using them as a pretext to write a dialogue-less (:lol:) comic. Now every time a new character gets introduced, Snout will just whip out his DEAF tag so they instantly know to communicate with him via writing. Sign language? What's that?

Also, Thelonius introducing himself as a handsome man already feels like a huge red flag that Mookie will use the 'POC character is a sensual lover' stereotype. Really hoping this isn't leading up to him and Corpsemomwife being paired together.

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