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LionArcher posted:But season 3 is tied with one as best season? (2 is fine to good, but misfired with the back door pilot). 3 had the sheriff becoming weirdly abusive though and completely backpedal on most of his character development.
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LionArcher posted:But season 3 is tied with one as best season? (2 is fine to good, but misfired with the back door pilot). By that time I was sick of the characters. I agree with the other poster that I would have liked an anthology kinda thing but keep all the same actors kinda like American Horror Story. But then that’s all it would have been compared to, so I get why it’s not. And who knows, maybe this will be an amazing season but it really seems they burned through all their cool ideas. But that first season was good enough for me to stick it out to the bitter end.
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BioEnchanted posted:3 had the sheriff becoming weirdly abusive though and completely backpedal on most of his character development. It didn’t. What it did do was have him partly backslide because he was on a hero’s journey, faced those fears, and by the end got better. A lot of shows properties do this poorly, (marvel) so when a good character makes mistakes to become better, it’s seen as a backpedal, when the reality is it’s more that media literacy has gone down with a majority of viewers for a host of reasons.
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The cop was a monster and deserved to be hanged and flogged
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Bruteman posted:According to this ign video with the Duffer brothers that breaks down the trailer, they're "demobats" - since they already did demogorgons and demodogs, they wanted a flying enemy Also Tremors. They started flying in 3, IIRC.  Last of Us, HBO prestige poo poo, a bit over 10 mil an episode. It must cost a lot more to digitally de age young adults or something. Who could possibly care about this trashfire show from S2 on, it's so bad. One was good and should have been it's own thing, but nothing nice can ever not be run into the ground and the roadkill crammed down your throats until the grave.
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Justin Credible posted:Also Tremors. They started flying in 3, IIRC.  rear end Blasters
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Justin Credible posted:Also Tremors. They started flying in 3, IIRC. Nice. I was concerned that the show might be getting too long in the tooth for Netflix to really support but if they're giving it this kind of money then it has a pretty good chance of continuing to be good.
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CainFortea posted:Nice. I was concerned that the show might be getting too long in the tooth for Netflix to really support but if they're giving it this kind of money then it has a pretty good chance of continuing to be good. Netflix just announced they are no longer taking on insane debt levels. If anything this is the last gasp of their prestige big budget stuff.
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pentyne posted:Netflix just announced they are no longer taking on insane debt levels. Sure, but that still means this show gets it. But going forward, there's still a big gap between "funding requiring insane debt levels" and "one step above being cancelled" level of funding.
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Justin Credible posted:Also Tremors. They started flying in 3, IIRC. Season 3 is great. This anti Robin slander is homophobic too. Watch yourself.
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S3 has one or two great creepy visuals, but it's barely pretending to be a horror show any more.
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Sure, if you ignore all the horror bits.
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Season 3 was fun, but I do agree that Season 1 was by far the best - it had a strong central objective all the characters were working towards (Find Will), a compelling mystery (what the hell is the Upside Down and this strange creature that hails from it?) and was just really tight with its plotting, with few extraneous bits to take away from the central narrative/relationships. I don't hate the newer seasons, but it's still disappointing that they've trended further and further away from what made the first season great.
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CainFortea posted:Sure, if you ignore all the horror bits. The final episode had a musical number while they ran away from a monster. The show always mixed horror with kids adventure, but that needle has gone way to one side now.
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I hope anyone who enjoys it continues to enjoy it, I found it all terrible. It seems like they're trying to have them be teenagers still instead of young adults and that's really telling on what they're clinging to. It'd probably be better if they actually developed the characters and them trying to deal with this absolutely insane level of trauma as young adults etc etc. I didn't see much horror in 3. What I saw was body horror which is an entirely different thing and tone. It's also okay to find insufferable kids/people insufferable.
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Strom Cuzewon posted:The final episode had a musical number while they ran away from a monster. The show always mixed horror with kids adventure, but that needle has gone way to one side now. ignoring the very tense sauna fight that was straight Stephen King, the hospital, the rat poo poo everywhere. The musical bit was funny in the middle of a lot of tense poo poo, and made it better. brevity makes a horror/coming of age/thriller a richer experience. if you want to go watch Saw or any other grim dark horror torture porn poo poo, go watch that. Stranger things has always been about 80's blockbuster feel. season 1 nailed it, season 2 almost nailed it but stumbled, and season 3 was a return to form.
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Strom Cuzewon posted:The final episode had a musical number while they ran away from a monster. The show always mixed horror with kids adventure, but that needle has gone way to one side now. There were more parts than just the ending. The ending was just very heavy in it.
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There was a giant slime monster made from its liquified victims and a mall fire, was good.
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Season 3 felt like a cartoon to me. I mean, a good cartoon, at least, maybe not Venture Brothers, but getting close. Not really feeling optimistic for Season 4.
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Acebuckeye13 posted:Season 3 was fun, but I do agree that Season 1 was by far the best - it had a strong central objective all the characters were working towards (Find Will), a compelling mystery (what the hell is the Upside Down and this strange creature that hails from it?) and was just really tight with its plotting, with few extraneous bits to take away from the central narrative/relationships. I don't hate the newer seasons, but it's still disappointing that they've trended further and further away from what made the first season great. The impression I had after S2 and way more after S3 was that they hit absolute gold and made a masterpiece with S1, looked at it, and decided it was nostalgia and brand placement that was their actual secret to success, so they should just dial up the nostalgic references to 11 and really lean into the 80s as hard as they can. Rather than having a tight plot with good execution and excellent storytelling, the latter two seasons are just an interminable series of winks, nudges, and "do you see what I did there?" references with a difficult to believe comedy plot. Especially S3, where they just kinda went "yeah actually we're doing 80s action movies with garbage plots now, because it's nostalgic."
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Stranger Things 1 is in a weird place where it isn’t quite an emulation of 80s storytelling, either in look or the nature of the performances, and it isn’t quite a modern reflection on the era or the stories of that time with any kind of substantive critique, so it’s just like a well-done period piece that replicates some Reagan-era ideas with some nice character surprises. I was consistently delighted by its pacing and the moments where something unexpected happened, like Steve becoming a real character and part of the story after his plot function was finished.
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S1, was definitely lightening in a bottle, and they took the wrong message from it. The early 80's was set dressing, and not a prop the way it is in the next two seasons. There really was no attention drawn to it in S1, it just was, and you were watching characters live in it.
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Iron Crowned posted:S1, was definitely lightening in a bottle, and they took the wrong message from it. The early 80's was set dressing, and not a prop the way it is in the next two seasons. There really was no attention drawn to it in S1, it just was, and you were watching characters live in it. Yeah, it was way better when it was just a well done setting instead of "REMEBER OLD BURGER KING COMMERCIALS?!?!?!" that they decided fans wanted. And we'll never know the numbers to see if it really was what we wanted or not.
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In a way it also kind of encapsulates the 80's and general nostalgia.. thing of, hey, you liked this? Cram it down your throat forever that other people know about this thing that you like! You like it right? It says Stranger Things, and you like Stranger Things, so here is more of a show called Stranger Things with the same characters from that excellent quasi-miniseries Stranger Things that everyone loved, you will love this too because it's more Stranger Things. gently caress nostalgia, it's a cancer on culture. Not that the US has any real culture outside consumerism, I was just making a point.
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I think someone said in this very thread that in season 1 was set in the 80s, while seasons 2 and 3 were set in an 80s movie, and it just perfectly nails down why I didn't like the last 2 seasons all that much. Season 2 was still fine, but season 3 was kinda... bad from what I can recall.
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The first one is claustrophobic and dreary like the actual early 80s really were. I am sympathetic to readings of the first season that say it repeats the reactionary politics of movies of that time by having the government be the villain, although I think the government agency is shown to be bad because they’re engaged in imperialist competition with the Soviet Union and not for the reasons reactionaries hate the government, but it is only nostalgic for lost youth. Nostalgia as a delivery system for brand awareness or as something that recreates childhood experiences is bad and wrong. It’s supposed to help you think about what you can never get back because it’s gone forever.
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Mymla posted:I think someone said in this very thread that in season 1 was set in the 80s, while seasons 2 and 3 were set in an 80s movie, and it just perfectly nails down why I didn't like the last 2 seasons all that much. Season 2 was still fine, but season 3 was kinda... bad from what I can recall. Oh poo poo I really like that. That's kind of why I feel its lost the horror feel even when there's big slavering monsters and stuff, because its all so glib. The later seasons have moments like will vs the mindflayer or the birth of the meatflayer that are fantastic in themselves, but the seasons as a whole have lost that amazing sense of dread and foreboding that S1 had.
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It's so weird to see so many posters just miss the entire point of S3. Like, they weren't subtle about it. If you watch the end of season 3 and then decide that the show runners were just putting in product placement for no reason other than nostalgia you have zero media literacy.
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I think you’re supposed to like it when Eleven and Max have an outfit-choosing montage at the Gap. Having a shopping mall be perverted by Soviet communists isn’t the clearest critique of capitalism.
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Yes, it's definitely not a lack of engagement in the material, it's all the viewers' fault they don't understand this grand operatic vision of finely crafted, sharp meta commentary. Oh I will also assert this while providing literally no examples and requires people to remember some product placement at the end of a season of aggressively mediocre television that aired three years ago. I am very smart.
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I wonder how much the nature of the Upside Down has changed from S1? Like an Alien -> Aliens situation, where the life cycle of the alien was pretty tight, but had to be discarded to make the threat bigger in the sequel(s)..
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I AM GRANDO posted:I think you’re supposed to like it when Eleven and Max have an outfit-choosing montage at the Gap. Having a shopping mall be perverted by Soviet communists isn’t the clearest critique of capitalism. I mean, having the shopping mall be "perverted" by a monster made up of a mass of faceless people is probably more what you should be looking at than the soviets.
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I AM GRANDO posted:I think you’re supposed to like it when Eleven and Max have an outfit-choosing montage at the Gap. Having a shopping mall be perverted by Soviet communists isn’t the clearest critique of capitalism. No horror/ thriller movie ever had the very thing that the characters loved at first to come back and become their ultimate foe by the end. I will grant that the mall being a Soviet decoy muddles the metaphor somewhat.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5QiG9w0SUzk I'm kinda confused on this. Does 11 not remember this happening or did she lose all memory of this event? Just seems kinda weird to retcon this when Season 1 established how Brenner was developing 11's powers starting with that coke can and then killing those 2 guards didn't seem to faze Brenner.
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New show runner and/or scripting team doesn't like the established basis of the story universe, just changes things over, because season 1 was years ago and no one rewatches or binge watches things amirite.
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I said I would do it and by gum I did: Season 4 thread https://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=4002884
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