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post hole digger
Mar 21, 2011

mawarannahr posted:

idk Doctor, Idaho sounds like it could be really depressing

sun valley area is a famously depressing and ugly place.

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post hole digger
Mar 21, 2011

I don’t think the CIA or FBI killed Hemingway as in literally pulled the trigger but Ernest Hemingway was diagnosed with psychotic depression and given ECT treatments for correctly stating that he was being spied on by the FBI and that his phones were bugged, and one of the main reasons I’ve always heard that was seen as a “cause” of his suicide was the distress caused by the severe damage ECT did to his memory and his inability to remember episodes from his own life.

post hole digger has issued a correction as of 01:54 on Jul 24, 2023

post hole digger
Mar 21, 2011

poisonpill posted:

where can I get more info on all of this

in addition to the excellent harris and levine books mentioned, this is pretty good.

(if you havent read surveillance valley in particular, its great on the topic of silicon valley and the MIC)

if you want more on the MIC and silicon valley:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZTC_RxWN_xo

https://steveblank.com/secret-history/

if you want more on the phoenix program in general
https://www.amazon.com/Phoenix-Program-Douglas-Valentine/dp/1504032888

post hole digger has issued a correction as of 23:51 on Aug 2, 2023

post hole digger
Mar 21, 2011

Human.Frank posted:

The mayor must have made him fill out a lot of forms!

the time has come to address the Bureaucrat Problem. how much worse can we let things get

post hole digger
Mar 21, 2011

Fun Fact: the popular James Bond series of novels and films was based on the life of MI6 agent Leon Trotsky.

post hole digger
Mar 21, 2011

Dokapon Findom posted:

The purpose of Epstein is what he did

we get so caught up in blackmail and controlling the powerful, we've forgotten its supposed to be about the molesting.

post hole digger
Mar 21, 2011

OH MY BAD posted:

i have a chapbook by ian svenious of nation of ulysses/the make-up from 2006 that devotes a chapter arguing a similar line about oasis and blur specifically being intelligence operations. strange parallel there

lol i remember that fuckin thing

post hole digger
Mar 21, 2011


"I believe it was a photoshop accident."

...
...

"I have to go now."

post hole digger
Mar 21, 2011

uno.mannschaft posted:

Ghost stories for the end of the world did a two parter on britpop, highly recommend.

this is one of the worst produced podcasts ive ever listened to. amateur hour over there.

post hole digger
Mar 21, 2011


hes got a lot of big tech true believer connections too. andreessen, tim ferris, that ilk

post hole digger
Mar 21, 2011

my bony fealty posted:

what do you like, radiolab

i like podcasts where they arent doing level checks in the middle of the episode and complaining about having to pause the recording because their neighbor came over to yell at them to move their car.

post hole digger
Mar 21, 2011

no photo of her face = body double

post hole digger
Mar 21, 2011


post hole digger
Mar 21, 2011

Tsitsikovas posted:

Drugs as Weapons Against Us continues to be a pro read. From Ch. 4 "CIA Drug Targets: Paul Robeson, Writers, Elvis"

Just filled with these connections. Maybe its 101 stuff for the regular posters here but nevertheless.

Oh and Jolly West made an appearance in chap 2

the book will surely get into it, but mainstream america was also largely introduced to psilocybe due to henry and especially his wife clare's interest in them. they were part of the cultural/medical elite that were into them as early as the 50s, and time-life publications were big boosters of lsd and psilocybin mushrooms in the early 60s before the mainstream opinion of them shifted due to people like leary. life magazine were the original publishers of r. gordon wasson's (himself a vp at jp morgan chase) story about his trip to mexico to participate in shamanic rituals with maria sabina (which she regretted later for a number of reasons). this trip was funded by the cia under mkultra: http://documents.theblackvault.com/documents/mkultra/mkultra4/DOC_0000017457/DOC_0000017457.pdf

post hole digger
Mar 21, 2011

Cabbages and Kings posted:

I don't really believe that (though you should not trust me as unbiased, since I have close relatives that skated out of being drafted to `nam based on direct personal friendships with a CIA agent and close relatives in the same general block of the family who were explicitly involved in LSD manufacture in the 1960s).

However, even if I did -- these experiences are nothing new, humans have been dicking with psychedelics for as long as we've been humans. LSD has a character that's pretty distinct from mushrooms/DMT, but I don't think it's that distinct from high dose LSA except the latter involves a lot more puking and cramping.

To me the history of the OSS/CIA and LSD/DOB/etc just looks like another case of powerful people trying to capture lightning in a bottle, realizing they can't because it's not the thing they thought it was in the first place, and then cynically repurposing it for weapons / social control / profit, usually but not always in that order.

Your glowing peak experiences don't owe jack poo poo to the MiC, they're just your experiences.


maybe Kate is lost in the DMT spirit world

ban this person for being a fed

post hole digger
Mar 21, 2011

Dokapon Findom posted:

Yeah but I don't buy the villain edit that Jolly West gets itt. Killing the elephant is really the only bad thing he's done

lol what the gently caress

post hole digger
Mar 21, 2011

scary ghost dog posted:

thats not what im saying. im saying that in a hypothetical communist world where none of the indoctrinations and influences of capitalism ever took root, recreational psychedelic drug use probably wouldnt exist, and might not even be fun. that is the specific point i am arguing. i do psychedelic drugs and have fun on a monthly basis and have for some years

really makes u think

post hole digger
Mar 21, 2011

OH MY BAD posted:

as i said before this whole kerfuffle you guys wouldn't have psychedelics without the OSS and the sooner everyone admits that the better. you aren't a seeker. you aren't a shaman. your ancestors were stupid bog people or dirt farmers. they werent doing shrooms and getting "insights" they were dying of cholera

speak for yourself cracker.

post hole digger
Mar 21, 2011

are these supposed to be things that arent true? a number of the 'low evil' ones are just matters of historical record (rex 84, facebook emotional manipulation study, jaywalking ), and the 'high evil' ones are using just imputing intent on top of the low-evil ones. its so bizarre to me what these are even supposed to represent

post hole digger
Mar 21, 2011

quote:

Walmart (low-evil)

Walmart is able to sell items at extremely low prices because they secretly lowered their profit margins in order to help ordinary Americans fight the cost-of-living crisis without causing backlash from investors.

post hole digger
Mar 21, 2011

Conspiracy: The Walmart Corporation loves you and is your friend, and cares more about the American Consumer than some snooty stockholders.

post hole digger
Mar 21, 2011

we never should have taught polish people how to read.

post hole digger
Mar 21, 2011

FirstnameLastname posted:

lol if you dont think stuff like drill music has a harmful effect on kids you are loving tripping

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YFfGgeddAc4

i cant tell if i like that beat or not lmao

post hole digger
Mar 21, 2011

based on that youtube video, the real deleterious effect drill music is having is no one knows how to sample a song on a beat anymore. those kids are just rapping over a vanessa carlton mp3.

post hole digger
Mar 21, 2011

FirstnameLastname posted:

it isn't causal, like, the street poo poo came first but it amplifies and advertises it to people who otherwise wouldn't be involved and have other options

one very transparent example is how the houston rap scene promoted promethazine-codeine cough syrup so much in the 90s-00s that it basically became a fashion statement and got half the houston rap scene addicted to lean & killed a bunch of their biggest artists - the drug was initially promoted through the music & its what made it popular more than anything else, it wasn't like weed where it was already around, the majority of people heard about it from the music and seeing the people with styrofoam cups in music videos putting out stuff covering the entire process from exposure to addiction to death

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wsoMVxtKlGM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E6NPXLfenQE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NkTmeHL1DIE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xb3-ArAa8hM
like lol you don't know what you're talking about

screw was messing with them frequencies man, government dont like that

post hole digger
Mar 21, 2011

Pepe Silvia Browne posted:

lol @ trying to drag the argument into two other threads too

shooters shoot

post hole digger
Mar 21, 2011

FirstnameLastname posted:

lol but ive started to subscribe to the theory that pimp c got offed after trying to squash the beefs in the south and get people to work together+ going on that Atlanta radio station calling people in the industry secret pedophiles
like they said he ODed but he was clean for months before he died and vocal about it

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=88_UwNYvB7o this song in particular and this interview (one of the best interviews ever, extremely pro-watch even if you don't give a gently caress about hip-hop) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eiG0kCXSg9o

this rules and im all in :hai:

post hole digger
Mar 21, 2011


drat i need that potash book

post hole digger
Mar 21, 2011

sleeptalker posted:

A guy who works for Microsoft? :raise:

mawarannahr posted:

that's pretty suspicious

:downs:

post hole digger
Mar 21, 2011

:whitewater:

post hole digger
Mar 21, 2011

> if you were a poli sci major in the early 2000s or like really studying any kind of american civics at all his website was included on a list of probably 5-10 websites that were considered "reliable internet sources" that policymakers would read

no it loving wasnt lol

post hole digger
Mar 21, 2011


me seeing the phrase Stanford research institute

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SzhvReOACK4

post hole digger
Mar 21, 2011

[quoting my own post] Well....? Thoughts???

post hole digger
Mar 21, 2011


this guy can cook, frankly. too bad he didn’t post here

post hole digger
Mar 21, 2011

he had the courage of his convictions and was only maybe like 5% crazier than the average trine day book. respect.

post hole digger
Mar 21, 2011


havent listened to this, and his book on watergate sounds interesting, but hes such a boring podcast guest to me. i had a hard time with his true anon appearances. he just comes off as really out of touch.

post hole digger
Mar 21, 2011

DJJIB-DJDCT posted:

I think it's the product of disappearing into studying this stuff for however many years, right? He's the one who got Epstein's black book, and had it published. So I think he's got an idea of all of this stuff, his takes on Watergate are inline with the revisionist scholarship, it's just that how can you disappear into that sort of world and remain in touch with the mainstream?

that’s a good point I hadn’t considered. I’ll give this a listen with a more sympathetic ear. I’ve been trying to find more about his new book anyways. I’m really into watergate and nixon stuff in general

post hole digger
Mar 21, 2011

Dokapon Findom posted:

Bush literally and personally killed JFK Jr.

shouldnt have let him fly it imo

post hole digger
Mar 21, 2011

the tldr is: amerikkka might tolerate sexual black mail, but it will never tolerate a sexual Black male.

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post hole digger
Mar 21, 2011

gradenko_2000 posted:

Kendrick Lamar go on Ghost Stories for the End of the World

the video artwork for this is so fuckin funny good god.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T6eK-2OQtew

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